# Are you Team Trayvon or Team Zimmerman? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [March 26, 2012, 9:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-you-team-trayvon-or-team-zimmerman/616881 "2012-03-26T21:27:42Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 28
**Author:** ![Schyler](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/45deac/32.png) [@Schyler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Schyler)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2012, 6:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-you-team-trayvon-or-team-zimmerman/616881/541 "2012-03-29T18:03:09Z")
> [@Schyler](#): > > What? Is that a little “reverse” racism I hear in that statement? Your original post to this sequence had another sentance. Doesn’t matter that you (or the website) took it off. In THAT post you called Martin names that discriminated against him in a big way (if only for drama effect) then you made a comment about how I have to be demented to be a grandmother. Finally, in you next post you called Martin one of those same names and called me an Ftard (who doesn’t “have rights”). 5 discriminations in 3 posts. That’s probably a record! Did you get past 3rd grade? ---
**Author:** ![Rand\_Rover](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/db5fbb/32.png) [@Rand\_Rover](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rand_Rover)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2012, 6:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-you-team-trayvon-or-team-zimmerman/616881/542 "2012-03-29T18:04:35Z")
> [@C3](#): > > What jury? Until people spoke up, there was going to be no investigation and no charges. Cite? ---
**Author:** ![Schyler](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/45deac/32.png) [@Schyler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Schyler)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2012, 6:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-you-team-trayvon-or-team-zimmerman/616881/543 "2012-03-29T18:06:45Z")
> [@C3](#): > > What jury? Until people spoke up, there was going to be no investigation and no charges. When did you start being employed by that Police Department? ---
**Author:** ![Condescending\_Robot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a183cd/32.png) [@Condescending\_Robot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Condescending_Robot)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2012, 6:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-you-team-trayvon-or-team-zimmerman/616881/544 "2012-03-29T18:11:34Z")
> [@Rand\_Rover](#): > > Cite? Are you going to demand a fucking cite for the assertion that this happened in Florida which is a state in a place called the USA on a planet called Earth, too? The whole goddamn reason this is a topic of public debate in the first place is because the DA declined to charge him. You’re asking for proof of the EXISTENCE OF THE DISCUSSION YOU ARE PARTICIPATING IN. Sometimes it’s hard to tell if conservative racists are this dumb or just trolling. ---
**Author:** ![Normal\_Phase](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Normal\_Phase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Normal_Phase)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2012, 6:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-you-team-trayvon-or-team-zimmerman/616881/545 "2012-03-29T18:13:05Z")
No reason it can’t be both. ---
**Author:** ![Terr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/839c29/32.png) [@Terr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Terr)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2012, 6:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-you-team-trayvon-or-team-zimmerman/616881/546 "2012-03-29T18:13:17Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > By God, you are on solid ground with that! Indeed, he is the defendant! Except, of course, that he hasn’t been _charged_ with anything. At all. If he will never be, then SYG is not relevant for him either. ---
**Author:** ![Rand\_Rover](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/db5fbb/32.png) [@Rand\_Rover](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rand_Rover)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2012, 6:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-you-team-trayvon-or-team-zimmerman/616881/547 "2012-03-29T18:16:29Z")
Cr, that point just shows that you believe stuff just because you want to believe it. It’s not like there was some final judgement from on high that Z would never be charged, the DA just decided that Z didn’t need to be in custody during the investigation. ---
**Author:** ![C3](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/c3/32/3108_2.png) [@C3](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/C3)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2012, 6:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-you-team-trayvon-or-team-zimmerman/616881/548 "2012-03-29T18:18:50Z")
> [@Rand\_Rover](#): > > Cite? The shooting happened 2/26. Norm Wolfinger, the State Attorney, met with police that night and decided that no charges would be filed and that Zimmerman would be released. It wasn’t until 3/20, after the public outcry, that the FBI said it would open an investigation and Wolfinger announced that a grand jury would convene. Wolfinger was replaced and his replacement, Angela Corey, s[till doesn’t think a grand jury is warranted](http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/03/28/2717866/tough-minded-prosecutor-in-spotlight.html). And, of course, no charges have been filed. ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2012, 6:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-you-team-trayvon-or-team-zimmerman/616881/549 "2012-03-29T18:19:31Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > If he was not out getting Skittles, well, then, what _was_ he up to? We already have expert testimony that he looked like he was on drugs! I didn’t watch it myself, preferring a different manner of self-abuse, but I read that Gretchen Carlson and her Fox co-morons were implying that because no receipt for the Skittles and tea have surfaced, it’s possible Trayvon _shoplifted_ them. And isn’t it interesting that he was apparently found to have a couple of baseball cards in his pocket, because guess who claimed someone stole his baseball cards once? (Starts with a Z.) I wish I were joking. ---
**Author:** ![Condescending\_Robot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a183cd/32.png) [@Condescending\_Robot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Condescending_Robot)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2012, 6:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-you-team-trayvon-or-team-zimmerman/616881/550 "2012-03-29T18:22:05Z")
> [@C3](#): > > The shooting happened 2/26. Norm Wolfinger, the State Attorney, met with police that night and decided that no charges would be filed and that Zimmerman would be released. It wasn’t until 3/20, after the public outcry, that the FBI said it would open an investigation and Wolfinger announced that a grand jury would convene. Wolfinger was replaced and his replacement, Angela Corey, s[till doesn’t think a grand jury is warranted](http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/03/28/2717866/tough-minded-prosecutor-in-spotlight.html). And, of course, no charges have been filed. Stop “supporting your ideas with facts!” That’s the worst thing you can do, you liberal!" Don’t you even read Rand Rover’s posts? ---
**Author:** ![Normal\_Phase](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Normal\_Phase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Normal_Phase)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2012, 6:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-you-team-trayvon-or-team-zimmerman/616881/551 "2012-03-29T18:27:27Z")
> [@VinylTurnip](#): > > I didn’t watch it myself, preferring a different manner of self-abuse, but I read that Gretchen Carlson and her Fox co-morons were implying that because no receipt for the Skittles and tea have surfaced, it’s possible Trayvon _shoplifted_ them. And isn’t it interesting that he was apparently found to have a couple of baseball cards in his pocket, because guess who claimed someone stole his baseball cards once? (Starts with a Z.) > > I wish I were joking. I’m too furious for words. ---
**Author:** ![Drain\_Bead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e47774/32.png) [@Drain\_Bead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drain_Bead)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2012, 6:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-you-team-trayvon-or-team-zimmerman/616881/552 "2012-03-29T18:33:35Z")
And clearly, the penalty for shoplifting Skittles in Florida is extrajudicial execution. ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2012, 6:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-you-team-trayvon-or-team-zimmerman/616881/553 "2012-03-29T18:35:50Z")
> [@Normal\_Phase](#): > > I’m too furious for words. [Here’s a site](http://www.freewoodpost.com/2012/03/23/fox-news-did-trayvon-steal-the-candy-and-tea/) talking about it. (I don’t know the site and can’t vouch for its accuracy… maybe there’s a link to the actual clip out there somewhere.) ---
**Author:** ![Rand\_Rover](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/db5fbb/32.png) [@Rand\_Rover](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rand_Rover)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2012, 6:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-you-team-trayvon-or-team-zimmerman/616881/554 "2012-03-29T18:36:19Z")
C3, the claim you need to support is that the state had fully shut down its process in regards to Z and then ramped jp that process again after the outcry. Your cite doesn’t show that. ---
**Author:** ![YogSothoth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/8edcca/32.png) [@YogSothoth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/YogSothoth)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2012, 6:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-you-team-trayvon-or-team-zimmerman/616881/555 "2012-03-29T18:36:21Z")
> [@Normal\_Phase](#): > > I’m too furious for words. You and me both :mad::mad::mad: ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2012, 6:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-you-team-trayvon-or-team-zimmerman/616881/556 "2012-03-29T18:39:37Z")
> [@VinylTurnip](#): > > [Here’s a site](http://www.freewoodpost.com/2012/03/23/fox-news-did-trayvon-steal-the-candy-and-tea/) talking about it. (I don’t know the site and can’t vouch for its accuracy… maybe there’s a link to the actual clip out there somewhere.) Oops. I may have to eat my words, because that actually appears to be a satirical site. (First saw it linked from a different site that didn’t indicate it was satire.) Sorry. Poe’s Law. ---
**Author:** ![Normal\_Phase](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Normal\_Phase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Normal_Phase)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2012, 6:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-you-team-trayvon-or-team-zimmerman/616881/557 "2012-03-29T18:44:42Z")
Damn good satire. TY. ---
**Author:** ![saoirse](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/5daacb/32.png) [@saoirse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/saoirse)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2012, 7:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-you-team-trayvon-or-team-zimmerman/616881/558 "2012-03-29T19:20:32Z")
> [@BottledBlondJeanie](#): > > I don’t know what your precise issue with me is. It is the pit, you’re right, but you do seem like you’re being a bitch to me because…why again? Because I think a it is a good idea to know a few more facts before firmly deciding? Because I think some of you sound like an angry mob that won’t listen to reason? If you could just pretend to have some objectiveness, it might help. > > OK, we disagree. You want to jump, jump. But, your attitude towards me is a bit telling. And we are at concern troll stage 2! “Why are you attacking me, just because I’m ‘freaked out’ at the mean things people on the internet are saying about a guy who shot an innocent black kid?” In other news, Martin’s father shared the detectives’ account [that he was given](http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/tracy-martin-recounts-police-version-of-son-trayvons-death/2012/03/28/gIQA6MKhhS_story.html): > [@](#): > > Martin walked up to Zimmerman’s vehicle and asked why he was following him. Zimmerman denied following the youth and rolled up the car window. Minutes after Trayvon walked away, Zimmerman got out of his vehicle. > > Then came the second encounter, according to Tracy Martin’s recollection of the detective’s account. Trayvon Martin appeared from behind a building in Zimmerman’s gated community, approached him and demanded, “ **What’s your problem, homie?** ” > > When Zimmerman replied that he didn’t have a problem, Martin said, “You do now.” The unarmed teenager hit Zimmerman, knocked him to the ground, pinned him down and told him to “shut the [expletive] up.” > > During the beating, Zimmerman pulled his gun and fired one shot at close range into Martin’s chest. “ **You got me,” the teenager said, falling backward**. [Bolding Mine] ---
**Author:** ![Condescending\_Robot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a183cd/32.png) [@Condescending\_Robot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Condescending_Robot)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2012, 7:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-you-team-trayvon-or-team-zimmerman/616881/559 "2012-03-29T19:27:10Z")
I’m not saying that he definitely wouldn’t have used the word “homie”, but on average, it certainly is way more of a word that middle-aged white cops think black teenagers use, than a word that any black teenager actually has used in his daily vocabulary in the last 15 years. File that one under the “stroke chin, go hmm” column rather than the “definite bullshit” column. ---
**Author:** ![BlankSlate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/blankslate/32/80_2.png) [@BlankSlate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BlankSlate)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2012, 7:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-you-team-trayvon-or-team-zimmerman/616881/560 "2012-03-29T19:37:13Z")
> [@Rand\_Rover](#): > > C3, the claim you need to support is that the state had fully shut down its process in regards to Z and then ramped jp that process again after the outcry. Your cite doesn’t show that. How can you be so obtuse? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-you-team-trayvon-or-team-zimmerman/616881.md?page=27) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-you-team-trayvon-or-team-zimmerman/616881.md?page=29)