# Are you Team Trayvon or Team Zimmerman? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [March 26, 2012, 9:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-you-team-trayvon-or-team-zimmerman/616881 "2012-03-26T21:27:42Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 34
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2012, 2:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-you-team-trayvon-or-team-zimmerman/616881/661 "2012-03-30T14:32:20Z")
> [@brazil84](#): > > Sure of course. Why not? > > Lol, nice strawman. So, you’re okay with assuming, for the sake of discussion that Zimmerman was looking to rape a black boy that night? Protip: If you’re using Glen Beck’s rhetorical tactics, you aren’t being honest or smart. But then, I suppose lying and stupid suits you. ---
**Author:** ![bacon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/b782af/32.png) [@bacon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bacon)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2012, 2:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-you-team-trayvon-or-team-zimmerman/616881/662 "2012-03-30T14:32:33Z")
Do any of you guys have jobs? ---
**Author:** ![DianaG](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/7ab992/32.png) [@DianaG](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DianaG)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2012, 2:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-you-team-trayvon-or-team-zimmerman/616881/663 "2012-03-30T14:37:53Z")
> [@bacon](#): > > Do any of you guys have jobs? If you don’t care, what the fuck are you doing here? There’s a whole enormous internet you could be exploring. Fly, little bird! Be free! ---
**Author:** ![Airbeck](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/airbeck/32/6574_2.png) [@Airbeck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Airbeck)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2012, 2:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-you-team-trayvon-or-team-zimmerman/616881/664 "2012-03-30T14:39:19Z")
… says the guy posting at 9:32 AM. anyway, new eyewitness says he saw zimmerman walking away immediately after the shooting with no apparent injuries at all. Also says the whole thing happened on the grass and craps all over the story of him getting jumped back at his truck. According to this witness it happened nowhere near his truck. > **[Trayvon Martin killing: witness says he saw Zimmerman walk away uninjured](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2012/mar/30/trayvon-martin-witness-zimmerman-uninjured)** > > Account contradicts allegation from Zimmerman's father that Trayvon Martin left his son with injuries including a broken nose ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2012, 2:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-you-team-trayvon-or-team-zimmerman/616881/665 "2012-03-30T14:40:15Z")
> [@bacon](#): > > Do any of you guys have jobs? Well brazil has a fulfilling career in the custodial arts, Rand Rover is a snow mobile salesman and Terr is an enforcer for the Russian Mob. I think Clothahump is a retired town-idiot, but he still picks up a few hours every week screaming inarticulately at same-sex couples at the mall. Personally, I am paid for professional services I provide ur mom. ---
**Author:** ![brazil84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8491ac/32.png) [@brazil84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brazil84)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2012, 2:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-you-team-trayvon-or-team-zimmerman/616881/666 "2012-03-30T14:41:45Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > For example, if Martin had a known habit of walking alone at night in suburban areas because he was trying to prove that young black men are unfairly targetted by police; if he was carrying a weapon; if he had told people that he was actively looking for a confrontation with “those people”; if he called 911 to report on people hassling him and said he was going to follow them around to see if they would cause him more trouble… Then this would go to his state of mind before any confrontation, and could show that he was in some measure responsible for what happened to him. Well a lot of bad stuff is coming out about Martin. It’s not clear how much of it is true. But if it’s all true, it raises the probability that he indeed threatened to kill and attacked Zimmerman (as Zimmerman is apparently claiming). > [@](#): > > In Zimmerman’s case however… I agree. When I first heard about the case, my initial instinct was that Zimmerman was your typical wannabe-cop-loser gun nut who was out looking for trouble. Which may still turn out to be the case. ---
**Author:** ![Terr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/839c29/32.png) [@Terr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Terr)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2012, 2:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-you-team-trayvon-or-team-zimmerman/616881/667 "2012-03-30T14:43:53Z")
> [@Airbeck](#): > > … says the guy posting at 9:32 AM. > > anyway, new eyewitness says he saw zimmerman walking away immediately after the shooting with no apparent injuries at all. Also says the whole thing happened on the grass and craps all over the story of him getting jumped back at his truck. According to this witness it happened nowhere near his truck. > > [Trayvon Martin killing: witness says he saw Zimmerman walk away uninjured | Trayvon Martin | The Guardian](http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/mar/30/trayvon-martin-witness-zimmerman-uninjured) The new witness doesn’t contradict Zimmernan’s story. It is not “immediately after”, it is a couple of seconds after. Since the eyewitness couldn’t even tell which man sat on which, because it was too dark, seeing “no apparent injuries” doesn’t say much. And Zimmerman never said he was jumped back at the trick. He said he was walking back to his truck. ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2012, 2:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-you-team-trayvon-or-team-zimmerman/616881/668 "2012-03-30T14:46:45Z")
> [@Terr](#): > > It is not “immediately after”, it is a couple of seconds after. Heh, thanks for that insight. ---
**Author:** ![Stoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/stoid/32/272_2.png) [@Stoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stoid)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2012, 2:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-you-team-trayvon-or-team-zimmerman/616881/669 "2012-03-30T14:49:41Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > Sure we noticed it. But > [LIST=A] > [li]It’s a post from you[/li][li]It has to do with the law - _ergo_[/li][li]It’s wrong.[/li][/LIST] aw, shucks, Sho, you’ll make me blush. And I know you just can’t help that tricky knee of yours, but its getting in the way of all your other parts and perceptions: there’s nothing to be “wrong” about: all I did was point out the fact of the words in the report and wonder how they fit into the larger, ever-evolving narrative of Zimmerman’s post-killing experiences with law-enforcement and who wanted to do what. ---
**Author:** ![Stoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/stoid/32/272_2.png) [@Stoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stoid)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2012, 2:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-you-team-trayvon-or-team-zimmerman/616881/670 "2012-03-30T14:54:12Z")
> [@Lobohan](#): > > Heh, thanks for that insight. Yeah, man, don’t you know that “immediately” means instantaneously? Just like “initial report” actually means “the supplemental material added to the first report an hour after it was written by someone else entirely.” Terr should really hand out dictionaries so the rest of us will have a chance to understand what he’s saying in his special Terr-Only language. ---
**Author:** ![Stoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/stoid/32/272_2.png) [@Stoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stoid)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2012, 2:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-you-team-trayvon-or-team-zimmerman/616881/671 "2012-03-30T14:56:10Z")
> [@DianaG](#): > > If you don’t care, what the fuck are you doing here? There’s a whole enormous internet you could be exploring. Fly, little bird! Be free! Aw c’mon… I don’t think he was being rude. It’s a fair enough question - it takes time to read and respond like this and when one is busy at work it’s almost impossible to even try with a thread moving this fast. ---
**Author:** ![saoirse](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/5daacb/32.png) [@saoirse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/saoirse)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2012, 2:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-you-team-trayvon-or-team-zimmerman/616881/672 "2012-03-30T14:56:43Z")
> [@brazil84](#): > > Well a lot of bad stuff is coming out about Martin. It’s not clear how much of it is true. But if it’s all true, it raises the probability that he indeed threatened to kill and attacked Zimmerman (as Zimmerman is apparently claiming). Sorry? What “bad stuff” is coming out about Martin? That he may or may not have died with Skittles in his hand? That he’s a time-traveler from the era of the Electric Boogaloo? The only “bad stuff” I’ve read about him is coming either directly or indirectly from Zimmerman, who I do not find to be trustworthy. If I knew nothing more than that he had shot someone, I would be suspicious of his story about why he did it, simply because he would say the same thing whether he was guilty of murder or not. Knowing that he was also a vigilante, waging a lonely war against black people doing stuff and following teens around in his car, makes me even more so. ---
**Author:** ![Terr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/839c29/32.png) [@Terr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Terr)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2012, 2:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-you-team-trayvon-or-team-zimmerman/616881/673 "2012-03-30T14:58:04Z")
> [@Stoid](#): > > Terr should really hand out dictionaries so the rest of us will have a chance to understand what he’s saying in his special Terr-Only language. Yes, let me hand you some dictionaries: > **[Definition of IMMEDIATELY](https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/immediately)** > > without interval of time : straightway; in direct connection or relation : directly… See the full definition : without interval of time [http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/immediately?s=t](http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/immediately?s=t) : without lapse of time; without delay; instantly; at once: ---
**Author:** ![Airbeck](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/airbeck/32/6574_2.png) [@Airbeck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Airbeck)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2012, 2:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-you-team-trayvon-or-team-zimmerman/616881/674 "2012-03-30T14:59:06Z")
Yeah sorry I wasn’t using his definition of immediately, so I guess that’s my fault? Also, having it happen entirely on the grass negates his story about having his head smashed into the concrete right? How many parts of zimmerman’s story need to be shown as false before you think that maybe, just maybe he may not be telling the entire truth here? ---
**Author:** ![Airbeck](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/airbeck/32/6574_2.png) [@Airbeck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Airbeck)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2012, 3:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-you-team-trayvon-or-team-zimmerman/616881/675 "2012-03-30T15:00:12Z")
I figured as he got up and walked away from the dead child was ‘immediately after’. So how about ‘seconds after’. Is that acceptable to you? Does it make any damn difference to the point being made? no. ---
**Author:** ![Stoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/stoid/32/272_2.png) [@Stoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stoid)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2012, 3:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-you-team-trayvon-or-team-zimmerman/616881/676 "2012-03-30T15:03:02Z")
> [@Condescending\_Robot](#): > > How many times does Rand Rover have to tell you? STOP USING FACTS. They have a well-known liberal bias. Yup: > [@](#): > > The aide said that guys like me [liberals] were “in what we call the reality-based community,” which he defined as people who “believe that solutions emerge from your judicious study of discernible reality.” It’s enough to bring a tear of pride to one’s eye… ---
**Author:** ![Terr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/839c29/32.png) [@Terr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Terr)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2012, 3:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-you-team-trayvon-or-team-zimmerman/616881/677 "2012-03-30T15:03:27Z")
> [@Airbeck](#): > > Yeah sorry I wasn’t using his definition of immediately, so I guess that’s my fault? Also, having it happen entirely on the grass negates his story about having his head smashed into the concrete right? How many parts of zimmerman’s story need to be shown as false before you think that maybe, just maybe he may not be telling the entire truth here? Since neither you nor I have seen Zimmerman’s testimony, every “lie” you claim is a conjecture. Every report about Zimmerman’s testimony is third hand, and is paraphrasing his testimony at best. Without reading the actual testimony (which will either be released after the investigation decides not to indict, or will be seen during the trial), you have no way of knowing what exactly he testified. ---
**Author:** ![DianaG](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/7ab992/32.png) [@DianaG](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DianaG)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2012, 3:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-you-team-trayvon-or-team-zimmerman/616881/678 "2012-03-30T15:04:05Z")
> [@Stoid](#): > > Aw c’mon… I don’t think he was being rude. It’s a fair enough question - it takes time to read and respond like this and when one is busy at work it’s almost impossible to even try with a thread moving this fast. I can see why you’d think that, if you’d missed his previous two posts in this thread in which he ended a three-year board silence to tell us that we’re silly to care about this. ---
**Author:** ![Terr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/839c29/32.png) [@Terr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Terr)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2012, 3:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-you-team-trayvon-or-team-zimmerman/616881/679 "2012-03-30T15:04:50Z")
> [@Airbeck](#): > > I figured as he got up and walked away from the dead child was ‘immediately after’. So how about ‘seconds after’. Is that acceptable to you? Does it make any damn difference to the point being made? no. It makes the point to the accuracy (or lack of such) of your recount of the witness’s testimony. ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2012, 3:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-you-team-trayvon-or-team-zimmerman/616881/680 "2012-03-30T15:05:24Z")
> [@Terr](#): > > Yes, let me hand you some dictionaries: > > [IMMEDIATELY Definition & Meaning - Merriam-Webster](http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/immediately) > > : without interval of time > > [http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/immediately?s=t](http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/immediately?s=t) > > : without lapse of time; without delay; instantly; at once: I know you don’t speak English as a first language, but you should know this. Nothing happens instantly. If I cut your head in half diagonally you don’t die instantly, as in the same literal instant. But most people would agree that you die pretty fast. If I turn on the light switch, the light doesn’t come on immediately. But most people would agree that it happens pretty fast. In English, as it is spoken by most people, \*immediately \*means _very soon after_. It doesn’t mean in the same wedge of Planck time. So your asinine hair-splitting is really off base. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-you-team-trayvon-or-team-zimmerman/616881.md?page=33) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-you-team-trayvon-or-team-zimmerman/616881.md?page=35)