# Are you Team Trayvon or Team Zimmerman? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [March 26, 2012, 9:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-you-team-trayvon-or-team-zimmerman/616881 "2012-03-26T21:27:42Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 39
**Author:** ![sugaree](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/cc9497/32.png) [@sugaree](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sugaree)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2012, 7:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-you-team-trayvon-or-team-zimmerman/616881/761 "2012-03-30T19:32:09Z")
> [@standingwave](#): > > Fox News’ Gretchen Carlson blew the doors off this investigation a couple of days ago when she noted that the police failed to find a receipt (for the skittles and ice tea) on Martin’s body leading to possibility that he shoplifted the items. Sure, I suppose it’s possible that he disposed of it but who would do that? Why wouldn’t he want to keep that receipt with him? [Cue Mitch Hedberg.](http://youtu.be/X53ksjejmns) > [@brazil84](#): > > I don’t think it’s particularly remarkable if Martin had no receipt on him. I do wonder if any 7-11 surveillance videos will emerge. Guys, that receipt stuff was a satirical article on a parody website, wasn’t it? As for Zimmerman’s earlier arrest, my understanding is that the charges were dropped and his record expunged in exchange for him completely anger-management classes. That’s a little different from charges being dropped for lack of evidence, right? In order to get a deal like that, you basically admit guilt. ---
**Author:** ![BottledBlondJeanie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/0ea827/32.png) [@BottledBlondJeanie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BottledBlondJeanie)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2012, 7:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-you-team-trayvon-or-team-zimmerman/616881/762 "2012-03-30T19:33:19Z")
Before checking out for the day ( **bacon** , I do have to work, but have writer’s block). I’ll say I feel used as hell by the media as far as initial pictures/accounts. I saw that football picture and it did color my perception. His grill doesn’t change the self-defense issue, but the size issue sure as fuck did. The kid was tall, and more mature than presented. Zimmerman wasn’t some 250 pound thug. If he is 5’9" he looks maybe 200… Had I known Trayvon wasn’t, with 100% certainty, a squeaky clean kid, I might have also been more objective initially. Does any one else feel this way? ---
**Author:** ![Jack\_Batty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jack_batty/32/3201_2.png) [@Jack\_Batty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jack_Batty)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2012, 7:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-you-team-trayvon-or-team-zimmerman/616881/763 "2012-03-30T19:35:28Z")
> [@sugaree](#): > > As for Zimmerman’s earlier arrest, my understanding is that the charges were dropped and his record expunged in exchange for him completely anger-management classes. That’s a little different from charges being dropped for lack of evidence, right? In order to get a deal like that, you basically admit guilt. But we can’t consider that in attmepting to determine Zimmerman’s violent tendencies. Now, if he’d had a Twitter account under @no-limit-hispanic, then, yeah, sure, straight up street thug. ---
**Author:** ![DianaG](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/7ab992/32.png) [@DianaG](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DianaG)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2012, 7:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-you-team-trayvon-or-team-zimmerman/616881/764 "2012-03-30T19:36:18Z")
> [@BottleBlondJeanie](#): > > Had I known Trayvon wasn’t, with 100% certainty, a squeaky clean kid, I might have also been more objective initially. Does any one else feel this way? No one is 100% squeaky clean. Everyone has the right to walk where ever the fuck they like. So, um… no. ---
**Author:** ![brazil84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8491ac/32.png) [@brazil84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brazil84)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2012, 7:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-you-team-trayvon-or-team-zimmerman/616881/765 "2012-03-30T19:37:05Z")
> [@Jack\_Batty](#): > > But we can’t consider that in attmepting to determine Zimmerman’s violent tendencies. Says who? ---
**Author:** ![sugaree](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/cc9497/32.png) [@sugaree](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sugaree)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2012, 7:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-you-team-trayvon-or-team-zimmerman/616881/766 "2012-03-30T19:42:03Z")
> [@BottledBlondJeanie](#): > > Before checking out for the day ( **bacon** , I do have to work, but have writer’s block). I’ll say I feel used as hell by the media as far as initial pictures/accounts. I saw that football picture and it did color my perception. His grill doesn’t change the self-defense issue, but the size issue sure as fuck did. The kid was tall, and more mature than presented. Zimmerman wasn’t some 250 pound thug. If he is 5’9" he looks maybe 200… > > Had I known Trayvon wasn’t, with 100% certainty, a squeaky clean kid, I might have also been more objective initially. Does any one else feel this way? I do think that releasing the older pics of Trayvon was a public-relations error, basically giving the other side, that is, the segment of the populace that was going to defend Zimmerman no matter what the facts, something to tear into. As far as Trayvon’s character, I know that even if everything alleged about his actions prior to this incident is true, my husband and his friends did more stupid and illegal crap when they were in high school. And they were good boys from solid middle-class homes who grew up to be tax-paying citizens living boring, law-abiding lives. > [@brazil84](#): > > Let me ask you this: If you had to bet $100,000 either way on who is more likely to get into a fight – “no limit nigga” or “tmartin” – which would you take? Let me be your guide to 21st-century Earth culture. Teenagers on the Internet delight in wacky and outre usernames. ---
**Author:** ![Uncle\_Jocko](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/uncle_jocko/32/2932_2.png) [@Uncle\_Jocko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Uncle_Jocko)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2012, 7:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-you-team-trayvon-or-team-zimmerman/616881/767 "2012-03-30T19:45:42Z")
> [@standingwave](#): > > Fox News’ Gretchen Carlson blew the doors off this investigation I’m pretty sure this will never happen, with this investigation or any investigation in the history of mankind. Steve Doocy might, conceivably, someday trip over a fact that could turn the tide of an investigation (assuming a fact ever makes its way into the Fox and Friends studio), but Gretchen Carlson? Please. ---
**Author:** ![BottledBlondJeanie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/0ea827/32.png) [@BottledBlondJeanie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BottledBlondJeanie)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2012, 7:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-you-team-trayvon-or-team-zimmerman/616881/768 "2012-03-30T19:49:22Z")
> [@sugaree](#): > > As far as Trayvon’s character, I know that even if everything alleged about his actions prior to this incident is true, my husband and his friends did more stupid and illegal crap when they were in high school. And they were good boys from solid middle-class homes who grew up to be tax-paying citizens living boring, law-abiding lives. . I agree absolutely. I really don’t care if he was actually suspended from school three times. But, to think that smallish, adorable, smiling kid did anything other than go to the store and get Skittles and tea is hard to comprehend. To hear that he’s probably a normal (although unruly kid since I think the MJ allegation is accurate–please correct me if wrong) who is a full-on teenager and tall, I can at least grasp the concept that Zimmerman might have been fearful. Again, my prejudices, but, I was played, and I am peeved. I’m still waiting for my actual evidence. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2012, 7:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-you-team-trayvon-or-team-zimmerman/616881/769 "2012-03-30T19:49:33Z")
Here is some “food for thought” for everyone… This Zimmerman has had prior brushes with the law and anger management issues. His past shows him to be (1) physically agressive and (2) capable of lying (filing “no you did it first” chargtes) when accused of domestic violence. He then is on tape as having prejudged this latest victim (Martin) to be guilty of something - anything. Then he follows him and kills him. All this CRAP is protected under some atand your ground law. In shiort, as long as he claims the “you did it first” he can quite literally get away with murder. So. the big question… If (just if) I myself ever get followed, stopped, challanged, ANYTHING, by some self appointed 'superhero", why shouldn’t I immediately kill HIM and then claim self defense??? ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2012, 7:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-you-team-trayvon-or-team-zimmerman/616881/770 "2012-03-30T19:54:58Z")
> [@SteveG1](#): > > Here is some “food for thought” for everyone… > > This Zimmerman has had prior brushes with the law and anger management issues. His past shows him to be (1) physically agressive and (2) capable of lying (filing “no you did it first” chargtes) when accused of domestic violence. Has it been definitely established that Zimmerman was lying when he filed the charges, and that he was actually the aggressor? > [@](#): > > So. the big question… > > If (just if) I myself ever get followed, stopped, challanged, ANYTHING, by some self appointed 'superhero", why shouldn’t I immediately kill HIM and then claim self defense??? Maybe that’s what Martin was doing. He just never got the chance to make the claim. Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2012, 7:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-you-team-trayvon-or-team-zimmerman/616881/771 "2012-03-30T19:56:23Z")
> [@brazil84](#): > > Seriously? No idea at all? > > Let me ask you this: If you had to bet $100,000 either way on who is more likely to get into a fight – “no limit nigga” or “tmartin” – which would you take? Ah, so _you_ don’t know what it means either, it’s just the scary word “nigga” that has your bladder all quivery. Double or nothing, who would you bet on as more likely to get into a fight: a teenage kid walking down the street alone, or an armed self-appointed Kommunity Kop with a history that includes fighting with a cop and a restraining order alleging domestic violence? ---
**Author:** ![brazil84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8491ac/32.png) [@brazil84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brazil84)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2012, 8:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-you-team-trayvon-or-team-zimmerman/616881/772 "2012-03-30T20:01:34Z")
> [@sugaree](#): > > Let me be your guide to 21st-century Earth culture. Teenagers on the Internet delight in wacky and outre usernames. So for you it’s a toss-up, I take it? ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2012, 8:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-you-team-trayvon-or-team-zimmerman/616881/773 "2012-03-30T20:01:48Z")
> [@BottledBlondJeanie](#): > > **Elucidator** I asked in the other thread where you’re commenting, but I’ll make it here, too. Could you please respond to: [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=14918773&postcount=125](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=14918773&postcount=125)? > > Thank you! If you’re just ignoring it, please mention it so we can all confirm it’s deliberate. I am seeing this as an invitation to a hijack, and another futile exercise in arguments over guns. I like guns, sort of, want to take a .22 to the arroyo and plink beer cans, let’s go. I loathe handguns, but am heartily sick of the argument. Bigger fish to fry, or at least some hope of frying. If that is what “deliberately ignoring” means to you, so be it. Born and raised Texan, now live in a place where its considered abnormal to carry a gun. I find that rather soothing. ---
**Author:** ![brazil84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8491ac/32.png) [@brazil84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brazil84)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2012, 8:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-you-team-trayvon-or-team-zimmerman/616881/774 "2012-03-30T20:04:54Z")
> [@VinylTurnip](#): > > Ah, so _you_ don’t know what it means either, it’s just the scary word “nigga” that has your bladder all quivery. No, I have an idea what it means. Please ask my question: Do you seriously have no idea at all what “no-limit nigga” might mean? > [@](#): > > Double or nothing, who would you bet on as more likely to get into a fight: a teenage kid walking down the street alone, or an armed self-appointed Kommunity Kop with a history that includes fighting with a cop and a restraining order alleging domestic violence? The latter. Now please answer my questions. ---
**Author:** ![Terr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/839c29/32.png) [@Terr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Terr)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2012, 8:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-you-team-trayvon-or-team-zimmerman/616881/775 "2012-03-30T20:06:39Z")
> [@BottledBlondJeanie](#): > > Before checking out for the day ( **bacon** , I do have to work, but have writer’s block). I’ll say I feel used as hell by the media as far as initial pictures/accounts. I saw that football picture and it did color my perception. His grill doesn’t change the self-defense issue, but the size issue sure as fuck did. The kid was tall, and more mature than presented. Zimmerman wasn’t some 250 pound thug. If he is 5’9" he looks maybe 200… > > Had I known Trayvon wasn’t, with 100% certainty, a squeaky clean kid, I might have also been more objective initially. Does any one else feel this way? It was pure manipulation for the media to bombard everyone with the pairing of an angelic-looking 12-year-old with a mug shot of much heavier Zimmerman from 2005. ---
**Author:** ![Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hentor_the_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2012, 8:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-you-team-trayvon-or-team-zimmerman/616881/776 "2012-03-30T20:08:28Z")
> [@brazil84](#): > > Please ask my question: Do you seriously have no idea at all what “no-limit nigga” might mean? I don’t. I cannot wait to learn what it means to you. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2012, 8:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-you-team-trayvon-or-team-zimmerman/616881/777 "2012-03-30T20:08:39Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > Has it been definitely established that Zimmerman was lying when he filed the charges, and that he was actually the aggressor? > Maybe that’s what Martin was doing. He just never got the chance to make the claim. > > Regards, > Shodan In his prior domestic violence situation, the women filed on HIM. He did nto file until the next day. He has at least one incident of being in a physical dispute with the police that turned into shoving match. Who followed who, after deciding “these assholes always get away” and then arbitrarily decided Martin was high on drugs (amazing psychic powers there)? Who followed after being advised by the 911 dispatcher to NOT follow? Who got out of his car? It doesn’t take a genius to understand “we don’t need yout to do that” is a polite way of saying “don’t do it”. And given Zimmerman’s documented past “anger issues”, it is reasonable to at least suspect he was the belligerant one. Where are all the inuries from supposedly having his head/face repeatedly slammed into the concrete? Who was armed, who was unarmed, and who is now dead? AND UNTIL ZIMMERMAN WENT ALL RAMBO, THERE HAD BEEN NO CRIME COMMITTED AT ALL. I think his story stinks, I think he is guilty as hell. But al that aside, the big stink is, the whole thing was dropped and he is free to go kill an other “asshole who always gets away”. The message being sent is, any psycho out there can arm up , kill some random guy and then claim “stand your ground”. Follow me for no reason at night and I don’t know you? That is a threat. After this, the message to ME is “kill the bastard if he follows me”. The one with the anger management issues was armed, had been advised to back off, and initiated this entire epiosode. Damn right he is guilty. And once again, NO CRIME HAD YET BEEN COMMITTED. Someone dead, over some ignorant Barney Fife wannabe who had something to prove. That’s how I see it. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2012, 8:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-you-team-trayvon-or-team-zimmerman/616881/778 "2012-03-30T20:09:27Z")
It could easily, very easily, be a poker reference. Games for wimps are “limit” games, where any given bet may not exceed a limit. “No limit” poker is for bad asses. ---
**Author:** ![Terr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/839c29/32.png) [@Terr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Terr)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2012, 8:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-you-team-trayvon-or-team-zimmerman/616881/779 "2012-03-30T20:12:40Z")
> [@SteveG1](#): > > AND UNTIL ZIMMERMAN WENT ALL RAMBO, THERE HAD BEEN NO CRIME COMMITTED AT ALL. Until the physical confrontation was initiated, there had been no crime committed at all. Do you know who initiated the physical confrontation? ---
**Author:** ![enomaj](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/59ef9b/32.png) [@enomaj](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enomaj)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2012, 8:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-you-team-trayvon-or-team-zimmerman/616881/780 "2012-03-30T20:18:32Z")
No Limit Nigga - n. _slang_ A black person who has yet to take calculus. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-you-team-trayvon-or-team-zimmerman/616881.md?page=38) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-you-team-trayvon-or-team-zimmerman/616881.md?page=40)