# Are you Team Trayvon or Team Zimmerman? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [March 26, 2012, 9:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-you-team-trayvon-or-team-zimmerman/616881 "2012-03-26T21:27:42Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 43
**Author:** ![storyteller0910](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecae2f/32.png) [@storyteller0910](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/storyteller0910)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2012, 12:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-you-team-trayvon-or-team-zimmerman/616881/841 "2012-03-31T12:49:41Z")
> [@Crafter\_Man](#): > > 1. Trayvon Martin was a thug. Had he not been killed by Zimmerman, he would have been a career criminal the rest of his life. Martin would have contributed nothing to society. His death is no loss. Just anther thug. What the fuck? On the basis of what do you… other than the kid being black and having a hooded sweatshirt, why would… what evidence is there that… Oh, fuck it. You suck. That is all. ---
**Author:** ![saoirse](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/5daacb/32.png) [@saoirse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/saoirse)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2012, 12:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-you-team-trayvon-or-team-zimmerman/616881/842 "2012-03-31T12:50:45Z")
> [@Crafter\_Man](#): > > My opinions only: > > 1. This could have been avoided if Zimmerman had used reason and constraint to begin with. He should have simply called the cops and let them handle it. But the dumbass wanted to be Clint Eastwood and made the stupid decision to follow Martin. > > 2. Even though the whole situation could have been avoided had Zimmerman exercised common sense, I have no doubt Martin attacked Zimmerman. I also believe Zimmerman felt his life was in danger. > > 3. Zimmerman was correct in using his weapon to stop Martin. It was a good shoot. > > 4. Trayvon Martin was a thug. Had he not been killed by Zimmerman, he would have been a career criminal the rest of his life. Martin would have contributed nothing to society. His death is no loss. Just anther thug. Of course they are. Thanks for sharing. ---
**Author:** ![Jack\_Batty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jack_batty/32/3201_2.png) [@Jack\_Batty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jack_Batty)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2012, 12:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-you-team-trayvon-or-team-zimmerman/616881/843 "2012-03-31T12:50:50Z")
> [@Crafter\_Man](#): > > Trayvon Martin was a thug. Had he not been killed by Zimmerman, he would have been a career criminal the rest of his life. Martin would have contributed nothing to society. His death is no loss. Just anther thug. Thank you, Grand Wizard. Now how about shuffling down to your local cross-burning and let the rational people discuss this. Chrissakes. What an asshole you are. ---
**Author:** ![saoirse](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/5daacb/32.png) [@saoirse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/saoirse)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2012, 12:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-you-team-trayvon-or-team-zimmerman/616881/844 "2012-03-31T12:53:53Z")
> [@brazil84](#): > > Lol, and if the phrase means nothing to you, it says even more about you. Actually, what the phrase means to me is, “This is probably a white college freshman from the suburbs.” Maybe if Martin had really called Zimmerman “Homie,” you would have a point, because in 1985 “nigga” was much more controversial. And I still stand by my reading of your username. You’re just in favor of shooting teenagers after dark. ---
**Author:** ![you\_with\_the\_face](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/ecccb3/32.png) [@you\_with\_the\_face](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/you_with_the_face)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2012, 12:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-you-team-trayvon-or-team-zimmerman/616881/845 "2012-03-31T12:55:03Z")
> [@Crafter\_Man](#): > > 1. Even though the whole situation could have been avoided had Zimmerman exercised common sense, I have no doubt Martin attacked Zimmerman. I also believe Zimmerman felt his life was in danger. > . This is the part I don’t get. Where does this certainty that Martin attacked Zimmerman come from when we havent seen evidence that the guy was even injured? Martin’s shooting serves as a litmus test for bigoted idiocy. There, I said it. So can everyone who shares Crafter Man’s opinion please come forward and announce themselves so I can know who to avoid? ---
**Author:** ![saoirse](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/5daacb/32.png) [@saoirse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/saoirse)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2012, 12:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-you-team-trayvon-or-team-zimmerman/616881/846 "2012-03-31T12:55:10Z")
> [@storyteller0910](#): > > What the fuck? On the basis of what do you… other than the kid being black and having a hooded sweatshirt, why would… what evidence is there that… > > Oh, fuck it. You suck. That is all. If you’re going to turn this into the **Crafter Man** show, I’m out. You can feed him to your heart’s content. ---
**Author:** ![madmonk28](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/madmonk28/32/20811_2.png) [@madmonk28](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/madmonk28)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2012, 1:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-you-team-trayvon-or-team-zimmerman/616881/847 "2012-03-31T13:03:44Z")
> [@you\_with\_the\_face](#): > > … So can everyone who shares Crafter Man’s opinion please come forward and announce themselves so I can know who to avoid? They pretty much have, although with slightly more subtlety. ---
**Author:** ![Horseface](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/4af34b/32.png) [@Horseface](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Horseface)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2012, 1:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-you-team-trayvon-or-team-zimmerman/616881/848 "2012-03-31T13:07:35Z")
How sad to think this event has become a three-ring circus. Team Trayvon/ Team Zimmerman is just offensive and low class. Hope their is eventually some satisfaction for all parties. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Tao\_s\_Revenge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/73ab20/32.png) [@The\_Tao\_s\_Revenge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Tao_s_Revenge)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2012, 1:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-you-team-trayvon-or-team-zimmerman/616881/849 "2012-03-31T13:17:39Z")
> [@Crafter\_Man](#): > > My opinions only: > > 1. This could have been avoided if Zimmerman had used reason and constraint to begin with. He should have simply called the cops and let them handle it. But the dumbass wanted to be Clint Eastwood and made the stupid decision to follow Martin. So that’s at least negligent homicide. > [@](#): > > 1. Even though the whole situation could have been avoided had Zimmerman exercised common sense, I have no doubt Martin attacked Zimmerman. I also believe Zimmerman felt his life was in danger. And Martin didn’t feel his life was in danger because some creepy dirty harry wannabe loser was stalking him through he night, aggressively approaching, and ignoring his questions? Oh he’s black, so he has no right to defend himself. > [@](#): > > 1. Trayvon Martin was a thug. Had he not been killed by Zimmerman, he would have been a career criminal the rest of his life. Martin would have contributed nothing to society. His death is no loss. Just anther thug. “He needed killing”. You’re a fucking troglodyte. You are so genetically and mentally defective your cunt of a mother must have railroaded goats to produce you in a desperate lonely act as no human male would touch her. You are a throwback to when feces flinging was a debate. Give me a cite and your reasoning that he would contribute nothing to society, that a human being had no value. Nothing originally sourced from chimpout. A child is dead over a hoodie and a gun nut vigilante’s paranoid delusions. Tell that his family, that they have no loss. Tell that to a child who won’t get to grow up. The institution in Florida who gave Zimmerman a weapon’s permit has hands covered in blood. Given you admit is judgement is quite poor, any set of laws that would let a maniac like Zimmerman have a gun is a danger to us all. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Tao\_s\_Revenge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/73ab20/32.png) [@The\_Tao\_s\_Revenge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Tao_s_Revenge)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2012, 1:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-you-team-trayvon-or-team-zimmerman/616881/850 "2012-03-31T13:22:12Z")
> [@brazil84](#): > > To me, if somebody chooses “no limit nigga” as a computer nickname, it suggest that this individual sees himself as aggressive and is proud of his affinity with African-American gangsta culture and all that entails – valuing cockiness, rebellion against authority, not shying away from violence, etc. > > I would say that someone who calls himself “no limit nigga” is more likely than the average person to break the law; to get into a fight; to go to jail; to shoot someone or to get shot himself. > > Anyway, I am skeptical that the phrase means absolutely nothing to you. Just out of curiosity if someone is into making gang signs, and fascinated by graffiti artists, does that mean they have “affinity with African-American gangsta culture and all that entails”? ---
**Author:** ![Jackknifed\_Juggernaut](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/9de053/32.png) [@Jackknifed\_Juggernaut](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackknifed_Juggernaut)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2012, 1:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-you-team-trayvon-or-team-zimmerman/616881/851 "2012-03-31T13:30:32Z")
Any chance that this story impacts the November presidential election? I would think that it has the potential to swing Florida in Obama’s favor. ---
**Author:** ![brazil84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8491ac/32.png) [@brazil84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brazil84)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2012, 1:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-you-team-trayvon-or-team-zimmerman/616881/852 "2012-03-31T13:37:40Z")
> [@saoirse](#): > > Actually, what the phrase means to me is, “This is probably a white college freshman from the suburbs.” Lol, then I’m sure you will be totally surprised if that username actually belonged to Trayvor Martin ---
**Author:** ![brazil84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8491ac/32.png) [@brazil84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brazil84)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2012, 1:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-you-team-trayvon-or-team-zimmerman/616881/853 "2012-03-31T13:41:02Z")
> [@you\_with\_the\_face](#): > > This is the part I don’t get. Where does this certainty that Martin attacked Zimmerman come from when we havent seen evidence that the guy was even injured? Probably from the same place from which the certainty comes from that Zimmerman is a murderer: bigotry and prejudice. > [@](#): > > Martin’s shooting serves as a litmus test for bigoted idiocy. Agree 100%. ---
**Author:** ![DianaG](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/7ab992/32.png) [@DianaG](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DianaG)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2012, 1:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-you-team-trayvon-or-team-zimmerman/616881/854 "2012-03-31T13:46:35Z")
> [@Crafter\_Man](#): > > 1. Trayvon Martin was a thug. Had he not been killed by Zimmerman, he would have been a career criminal the rest of his life. Martin would have contributed nothing to society. His death is no loss. Just anther thug. The world will be a better place when you die. In the interim, take it to Stormfront, you worthless piece of shit. ---
**Author:** ![Crafter\_Man](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crafter_man/32/458_2.png) [@Crafter\_Man](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crafter_Man)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2012, 1:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-you-team-trayvon-or-team-zimmerman/616881/855 "2012-03-31T13:49:16Z")
> [@The\_Tao\_s\_Revenge](#): > > Give me a cite and your reasoning. I need a cite for my opinion? ---
**Author:** ![The\_Tao\_s\_Revenge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/73ab20/32.png) [@The\_Tao\_s\_Revenge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Tao_s_Revenge)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2012, 1:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-you-team-trayvon-or-team-zimmerman/616881/856 "2012-03-31T13:58:30Z")
> [@The\_Tao\_s\_Revenge](#): > > > [@brazil84](#): > > > > To me, if somebody chooses “no limit nigga” as a computer nickname, it suggest that this individual sees himself as aggressive and is proud of his affinity with African-American gangsta culture and all that entails – valuing cockiness, rebellion against authority, not shying away from violence, etc. > > > > I would say that someone who calls himself “no limit nigga” is more likely than the average person to break the law; to get into a fight; to go to jail; to shoot someone or to get shot himself. > > > > Anyway, I am skeptical that the phrase means absolutely nothing to you. > > Just out of curiosity if someone is into making gang signs, and fascinated by graffiti artists, does that mean they have “affinity with African-American gangsta culture and all that entails”? Just so this doesn’t get lost in the shuffle. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Tao\_s\_Revenge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/73ab20/32.png) [@The\_Tao\_s\_Revenge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Tao_s_Revenge)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2012, 1:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-you-team-trayvon-or-team-zimmerman/616881/857 "2012-03-31T13:59:36Z")
> [@Crafter\_Man](#): > > I need a cite for my opinion? Oh you felt it in your gut. No evidence, you just psychically knew Martin was a nogoodnik who “needed killin’”. My charge that you’re a feces flinging troglodyte stands. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2012, 2:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-you-team-trayvon-or-team-zimmerman/616881/858 "2012-03-31T14:21:18Z")
> [@The\_Tao\_s\_Revenge](#): > > Zimmerman should have never been allowed a gun. Any jurisdiction that would give a stalking murderer like that a weapon is ran by dangerously incompetent dickheads. Even taking his own words his judgement his quite poor. How can you say such a thing about a “law-abiding citizen”, to use the gun-fetishists’ favorite term? That’s exactly what he was, until suddenly he wasn’t - just like all the other “law-abiding citizens” whose self-control or judgment slips for a moment, leaving somebody dead. Start forbidding licenses to people on the basis of their having poor judgment or cowardice or impaired impulse control or underdeveloped anger management skills, and you might as well just welcome Communism. Come on, dude, read your Second Amendment sometime. Speaking of the board’s gun fetishists, where are all of them on this topic? :dubious: ---
**Author:** ![The\_Tao\_s\_Revenge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/73ab20/32.png) [@The\_Tao\_s\_Revenge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Tao_s_Revenge)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2012, 2:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-you-team-trayvon-or-team-zimmerman/616881/859 "2012-03-31T14:33:19Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > How can you say such a thing about a “law-abiding citizen”, to use the gun-fetishists’ favorite term? That’s exactly what he was, until suddenly he wasn’t - just like all the other “law-abiding citizens” whose self-control or judgment slips for a moment, leaving somebody dead. > > Start forbidding licenses to people on the basis of their having poor judgment or cowardice or impaired impulse control or underdeveloped anger management skills, and you might as well just welcome Communism. Come on, dude, read your Second Amendment sometime. > > Speaking of the board’s gun fetishists, where are all of them on this topic? :dubious: I read it, and I must say these bear arms are quite toasty in the winter, despite people complaining about my grizzly fashion sense. ---
**Author:** ![Crafter\_Man](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crafter_man/32/458_2.png) [@Crafter\_Man](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crafter_Man)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2012, 2:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-you-team-trayvon-or-team-zimmerman/616881/860 "2012-03-31T14:35:05Z")
> [@The\_Tao\_s\_Revenge](#): > > Oh you felt it in your gut. No evidence, you just psychically knew Martin was a nogoodnik who “needed killin’”. > > My charge that you’re a feces flinging troglodyte stands. Nice strawman. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-you-team-trayvon-or-team-zimmerman/616881.md?page=42) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-you-team-trayvon-or-team-zimmerman/616881.md?page=44)