# Are you trying to discourage conservatives from staying at SDMB? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [January 9, 2007, 4:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-you-trying-to-discourage-conservatives-from-staying-at-sdmb/387259 "2007-01-09T04:25:36Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 13
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2007, 1:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-you-trying-to-discourage-conservatives-from-staying-at-sdmb/387259/241 "2007-01-11T01:00:35Z")
[QUOTE=Shodan] Now both the above points are opinions. The trouble with the Usual Suspects is that both are treated as received truths [/quote] Wrong. They are both treated as facts. Which they are. > [@](#): > > and anyone who dissents in the slightest from either triggers the onslaught from those who cannot tolerate the existence of a post that does not contain these received wisdoms. No, this board has antigens for those who refuse to acknowledge facts. > [@](#): > > If I post “Iraq had links to al-Queda”, and ask if it is true or a lie, and it becomes clear that it is a lie if Bush said it but true if Hilary said it He said it, she didn’t. Enough people have gone over that patiently enough with you by now that for you to still claim otherwise is a lie of your own. > [@](#): > > Some people are only there to serve as bad examples. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Scylla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a5b964/32.png) [@Scylla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scylla)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2007, 1:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-you-trying-to-discourage-conservatives-from-staying-at-sdmb/387259/242 "2007-01-11T01:16:18Z")
[QUOTE=mhendo] It is possible to believe that Freepers are crazed right-wing nutjobs, while at the same time acknowledging that this Board leans to the left of American society more generally, and is not necessarily representative of American society. [/quote] One can believe pigs can fly but that won’t give them wings. But, I take your point. I imagine that the people who beleive what you say have probably never visited that board. I would say that the incidence of nutjobs of any ilk is lower on the Freerepublic board than here, though there are some to be sure. Why take my word from it? It’s not like France. You can google it, be there in seconds and see for yourself. > [@](#): > > In fact, just about every leftist and liberal in this thread has already conceded that the Board is more left/liberal than America as a whole. > [@](#): > > This is something that is _factually_ incorrect. > > This board is nowhere hear as left as the Free Republic is right. Overrall, no. But, if you were to confine yourself to political discussions on the SDMB, and political discussions at Freerepublic you would find that they are pretty close (you do know that the vast majority of discussions over there are talking about Rosey and Trump, and the death of Lily Munster, right? > [@](#): > > I’m constantly amazed at how some conservatives seem to have no idea of what true radical leftist thought is. They actually mistake people like Hillary Clinton for a leftist. What does this have to do with anything? Are you putting me in that category? [quote] If you really believe that this board is rabidly left, you should try visiting some actual leftists websites, one where socialism and anarchism dominate, rather than the Dope’s vaguely left/liberal/libertarian hegemony. Like [moveon.org](http://moveon.org), or Democratic Underground? I’ve been to both. > [@](#): > > People of the same political stripe, whether left or right, want and need places where they can talk to others who think like them. In fact, one could argue that in a period when right-wing politics is becoming increasingly difficult to defend, sites like the Freepers and the National Review might actually get stronger, as conservatives seek refuge from leftist and liberal criticism and instead turn to each other for mutual reassurance and conversation. That’s an interesting viewpoint, and I think sincerely that it betrays a pretty clear bias in your thinking. Given the data point that the lefties are congregrating in one place and the righties are congregrating in another, you maintain that this is because the righties have a bankrupt philosophy that cannot stand scrutiny. Why could it not be the other way around? Why could it not be that neither group seeks to communicate with the other during times of bitter opposition? I’d like to point out that your making a pretty classic logical fallacy here. Having assumed your conclusion you automatically selecectively interpret information in such a way that supports it without considering other possibilities. > [@](#): > > Similarly, if a liberal government was in turmoil or controversy, the leftists and liberals who go to conservative sites might decide to leave in order to avoid direct criticism. I think I can give you numerous historical examples where hostility and bitterness stops people from communicating. Can you give me examples of cases where what you are hypothesizing has occured? In my experience it seems to me that the stupider and more bankrupt a stance is from a rationale standpoint, the more likely it is for it’s propenents to shout it loudly and demonize their opposition. I haven’t really seen much of the “running and cowering because I don’t make sense” group. Anyway, a thoughtful reply. Thanks. ---
**Author:** ![Scylla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a5b964/32.png) [@Scylla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scylla)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2007, 1:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-you-trying-to-discourage-conservatives-from-staying-at-sdmb/387259/243 "2007-01-11T01:20:12Z")
[QUOTE=rayh] Ahem. You really nailed him, **rjung**! [/QUOTE] Are you sure? Notice when **rjung** joined? ---
**Author:** ![Scylla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a5b964/32.png) [@Scylla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scylla)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2007, 1:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-you-trying-to-discourage-conservatives-from-staying-at-sdmb/387259/244 "2007-01-11T01:44:41Z")
[QUOTE=ElvisL1ves] Wrong. They are both treated as facts. Which they are. [/quote] Actually, Elvis, neither are facts. The two propositions which you claim are facts, but Shodan claims are opinion are: 1. Bush sux 2. Clinton was impeached for a blowjob. I think it’s pretty symptomatic of the slant of the board that it’s possible for you to get away with saying that these are facts. But let’s put it to the test. Everybody knows you are wrong here and neither of these things are facts. Let’s elucidate: “Bush sux” is a fundamentally qualitative statement that by itself leaves the criteria of “sux” undefined and undemonstrable from and empirical standpoint. The criteria of “sux” is left to the mind of the writer or the reader. For example: You might say “Bush sux because he brought us to war in Iraq,” because causing a war might be, for you, a cause of the quality “sux,” and a very important thing for you. Someone else"Bush is great because he lowered taxes" because for that peson the criteria for “sux” might be raising taxes. Other people might have other, or multiple criteria and weigh them out and balance them according to their own beleifs and weightings of importance and having done so either decide that “Bush sux,” or he does not. We have a word for such things where people weigh things out and make qualitative judgements on their own based on their beleifs that may be variance with other people’s conclusions. It’s not called a “fact” It’s called “opinion.” “Bush sux” is by definition an opinion. **Shodan** and you are mistaken. As for the second. Clinton was impeached because it was considered that he lied under oath, **not** because he got a blowjob, but because it was considered by many that he lied about obviously and openly enough that it was possible to credibly impeach him. It was the perjury that he was impeached for, not the blowjob. That’s a matter of public record. Neither of the statements that you consider as facts **facts** > [@](#): > > No, this board has antigens for those who refuse to acknowledge facts. Sadly, that is not always the case. I suspect that nobody else will pointedly call you to task for your error, and I suspect that you will not admit to one. I suspect that this will be the case despite the blatant and obvious falsehood of your statement, and despite my laborious and painstaking efforts to point out the incredibly obvious. But, I’ll tell you something. Everybody knows. > [@](#): > > Enough people have gone over that patiently enough with you by now that for you to still claim otherwise is a lie of your own. I have to say that your brave attack of **Shodan** would carry more weight if you were to admit the error you’ve made concerning his earlier statement of fact versus opinion. He is correct and you are mistaken. Do you admit as much? ---
**Author:** ![Scylla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a5b964/32.png) [@Scylla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scylla)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2007, 1:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-you-trying-to-discourage-conservatives-from-staying-at-sdmb/387259/245 "2007-01-11T01:46:27Z")
[QUOTE=ElvisL1ves] Wrong. They are both treated as facts. Which they are. [/quote] Actually, Elvis, neither are facts. The two propositions which you claim are facts, but Shodan claims are opinion are: 1. Bush sux 2. Clinton was impeached for a blowjob. I think it’s pretty symptomatic of the slant of the board that it’s possible for you to get away with saying that these are facts. But let’s put it to the test. Everybody knows you are wrong here and neither of these things are facts. Let’s elucidate: “Bush sux” is a fundamentally qualitative statement that by itself leaves the criteria of “sux” undefined and undemonstrable from and empirical standpoint. The criteria of “sux” is left to the mind of the writer or the reader. For example: You might say “Bush sux because he brought us to war in Iraq,” because causing a war might be, for you, a cause of the quality “sux,” and a very important thing for you. Someone else"Bush is great because he lowered taxes" because for that peson the criteria for “sux” might be raising taxes. Other people might have other, or multiple criteria and weigh them out and balance them according to their own beleifs and weightings of importance and having done so either decide that “Bush sux,” or he does not. We have a word for such things where people weigh things out and make qualitative judgements on their own based on their beleifs that may be variance with other people’s conclusions. It’s not called a “fact” It’s called “opinion.” “Bush sux” is by definition an opinion. **Shodan** is correct and you are mistaken. As for the second. Clinton was impeached because it was considered that he lied under oath, **not** because he got a blowjob, but because it was considered by many that he lied about obviously and openly enough that it was possible to credibly impeach him. It was the perjury that he was impeached for, not the blowjob. That’s a matter of public record. Neither of the statements that you consider as facts **facts** > [@](#): > > No, this board has antigens for those who refuse to acknowledge facts. Sadly, that is not always the case. I suspect that nobody else will pointedly call you to task for your error, and I suspect that you will not admit to one. I suspect that this will be the case despite the blatant and obvious falsehood of your statement, and despite my laborious and painstaking efforts to point out the incredibly obvious. But, I’ll tell you something. Everybody knows. > [@](#): > > Enough people have gone over that patiently enough with you by now that for you to still claim otherwise is a lie of your own. I have to say that your brave attack of **Shodan** would carry more weight if you were to admit the error you’ve made concerning his earlier statement of fact versus opinion. He is correct and you are mistaken. Do you admit as much? ---
**Author:** ![Scylla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a5b964/32.png) [@Scylla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scylla)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2007, 1:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-you-trying-to-discourage-conservatives-from-staying-at-sdmb/387259/246 "2007-01-11T01:49:57Z")
Sorry about the simulpost. I tried to take it back to fix a typo (not that that’s ever worked.) If a mod would delete the first instance and leave the second, I’d appreciate that. They could also delete this post two and then there would be no evidence that I made a typo **or** simulposted. It could be our little secret. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2007, 1:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-you-trying-to-discourage-conservatives-from-staying-at-sdmb/387259/247 "2007-01-11T01:52:10Z")
[QUOTE=Scylla] That’s an interesting viewpoint, and I think sincerely that it betrays a pretty clear bias in your thinking. Given the data point that the lefties are congregrating in one place and the righties are congregrating in another, you maintain that this is because the righties have a bankrupt philosophy that cannot stand scrutiny. Why could it not be the other way around? Why could it not be that neither group seeks to communicate with the other during times of bitter opposition? I’d like to point out that your making a pretty classic logical fallacy here. Having assumed your conclusion you automatically selecectively interpret information in such a way that supports it without considering other possibilities. I think I can give you numerous historical examples where hostility and bitterness stops people from communicating. Can you give me examples of cases where what you are hypothesizing has occured? In my experience it seems to me that the stupider and more bankrupt a stance is from a rationale standpoint, the more likely it is for it’s propenents to shout it loudly and demonize their opposition. I haven’t really seen much of the “running and cowering because I don’t make sense” group. [/QUOTE] Logic (and more than 2 years of no one coming forward actually) said that reporters from Newsmax and The Washing Times pulled out of their asses the affirmation that there were neighbors that knew Valerie Plame was cover. [http://mediamatters.org/items/200507260005](http://mediamatters.org/items/200507260005) Stupider and more bankrupt a stance from a rationale standpoint. Yet you did not feel bad on demonizing and insulting the people that pointed that to you. As for Free Republic, I do remember other posters here using a book from one of the organizers of Free republic and a Free Republic web site that was managed by… the same book author as a cite during all those Swift boat discussions! I made mention of those circular cites and how silly they were, but Logic was in the way of partisanship. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2007, 2:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-you-trying-to-discourage-conservatives-from-staying-at-sdmb/387259/248 "2007-01-11T02:00:10Z")
[QUOTE=Scylla] The two propositions which you claim are facts, but Shodan claims are opinion are: 1. Bush sux 2. Clinton was impeached for a blowjob. I think it’s pretty symptomatic of the slant of the board that it’s possible for you to get away with saying that these are facts. 1. Bush’s approval rating is down to 26%. Rock bottom. Sucking is a tough thing to quantify, but that’s as close as it gets. 2. Read Starr’s $40 million porn novel for yourself, then. [quote] Everybody knows you are wrong here and neither of these things are facts.[/quote}We’re not on the Freeper board anymore, Toto! 😛 ---
**Author:** ![Scylla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a5b964/32.png) [@Scylla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scylla)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2007, 2:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-you-trying-to-discourage-conservatives-from-staying-at-sdmb/387259/249 "2007-01-11T02:00:36Z")
[QUOTE=GIGObuster] Logic (and more than 2 years of no one coming forward actually) said that reporters from Newsmax and The Washing Times pulled out of their asses the affirmation that there were neighbors that knew Valerie Plame was cover. [http://mediamatters.org/items/200507260005](http://mediamatters.org/items/200507260005) Stupider and more bankrupt a stance from a rationale standpoint. Yet you did not feel bad on demonizing and insulting the people that pointed that to you. [/quote] You’ve strengthened my point. Thanks. If I accept what you’ve written at face value (which I don’t, but we can pretend,) than your assertion that I loudly attacked others in the face of logical bankruptcy rather than running away and hiding is an exact example of my assertion here in contradicting **Mhendo’s** statement. Again, thanks. > [@](#): > > As for Free Republic, I do remember other posters here using a book from one of the organizers of Free republic and a Free Republic web site that was managed by… the same book author as a cite during all those Swift boat discussions! I made mention of those circular cites and how silly they were, but Logic was in the way of partisanship. As is this. Attacking the source (as you’ve just done,) instead of engaging the material or running away is the much more common course for those withoug a rationale argument. A third time, thanks. ---
**Author:** ![Scylla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a5b964/32.png) [@Scylla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scylla)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2007, 2:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-you-trying-to-discourage-conservatives-from-staying-at-sdmb/387259/250 "2007-01-11T02:10:44Z")
[QUOTE=ElvisL1ves] [QUOTE=Scylla] > [@](#): > > 1. Bush’s approval rating is down to 26%. Rock bottom. Sucking is a tough thing to quantify, but that’s as close as it gets. Would that data be from an “opinion poll?” > [@](#): > > 1. Read Starr’s $40 million porn novel for yourself, then. Starr did not impeach Clinton. Congress did. The grounds were perjury, not a blowjob. You are incorrect, in the most blatant and obvious fashion. It would be gracious of you to admit it. I suspect you won’t, and I suspect I won’t be particularly backed up on this, no matter how obvious and demonstrable the proof of my stance is, and no matter how obviously bankrupt yours is. > [@](#): > > We’re not on the Freeper board anymore, Toto! 😛 No were not. Which is why I guess you post here, where you can usually get away with such fallacies. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2007, 2:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-you-trying-to-discourage-conservatives-from-staying-at-sdmb/387259/251 "2007-01-11T02:14:20Z")
[QUOTE=Scylla] You’ve strengthened my point. Thanks. If I accept what you’ve written at face value (which I don’t, but we can pretend,) than your assertion that I loudly attacked others in the face of logical bankruptcy rather than running away and hiding is an exact example of my assertion here in contradicting **Mhendo’s** statement. Again, thanks. [/quote] Actually after pages of insults you did ran away after I did link and pointed out the fallacy in the NewsMax report. And the apology of Armitage to Plame. > [@](#): > > As is this. Attacking the source (as you’ve just done,) instead of engaging the material or running away is the much more common course for those without a rationale argument. > > A third time, thanks. Actually when I mentioned that circular cite me and others included previous debunking of the points, the problem was that “new” cites were appearing again with support of the same debunked points and I only pointed out that while the new source appeared to come from a different location and group, they were actually joined at the hip. It was an example of a sock puppet cite. ---
**Author:** ![Nancarrow](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/c37758/32.png) [@Nancarrow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nancarrow)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2007, 2:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-you-trying-to-discourage-conservatives-from-staying-at-sdmb/387259/252 "2007-01-11T02:27:26Z")
[QUOTE=tomndebb] Beyond that, of course, is the fact that the whole “left vs right” spectrum is far too complex on this board to be a genuine guide to evaluating posts or posters. A lot of the “left vs right” claims are based on “Democrat vs Republican” or “theist vs atheist” or “liberal vs conservative.” However, the majority of posters (although not necessarily those who grab the most attention) do not fit neatly into the little boxes that would make our sorting easier. For one thing, we have a large number of libertarians who are likely to show up on either the left/liberal or right/conservative side of an issue–depending on the issue. There are many fiscal conservative/small government adherents who also want the government to stay out of deciding who should marry whom or who should even sleep with whom. From simplistic American politics, they would appear to be schizophrenic, yet they make strong cases for their well-considered opinions, here. There are several “conservative” (or even “Republican”) posters who have opposed the Iraq war from the outset. There are several “religiously conservative” posters who favor unrestricted abortion rights. With the U.S. two-party system, a lot of posters get into the habit of binary thought through which we draw an arbitrary “left/right” line, but an examination of each poster, individually, would demonstrate that persons who are specifically “left” or “right” are a tiny minority on this board. (I would almost be willing to observe that the vast majority of posters who make an issue of the “left/right” divide are among the tiny few who are disproportionately loud–and who tend to fall into the “twit” category. Although, even here there are probably a few exceptions.) [/QUOTE] Best. Post. Evar. ---
**Author:** ![Maeglin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/8baadc/32.png) [@Maeglin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Maeglin)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2007, 2:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-you-trying-to-discourage-conservatives-from-staying-at-sdmb/387259/253 "2007-01-11T02:28:24Z")
[QUOTE=Scylla] Overrall, no. But, if you were to confine yourself to political discussions on the SDMB, and political discussions at Freerepublic you would find that they are pretty close (you do know that the vast majority of discussions over there are talking about Rosey and Trump, and the death of Lily Munster, right? [/QUOTE] This intrigues me. Although I find this counterintuitive, I would be willing to test this. I do not strongly self-identify as a liberal, per se, but my social views are uncompromisingly progressive and my economics are capital L Liberal. I would love to see what life is like on the other side of the tracks. **Scylla** , I’d gladly go over there and give civil discussion and debate a college try. You never know what might happen. Are you **Scylla** over there, too? ---
**Author:** ![Scylla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a5b964/32.png) [@Scylla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scylla)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2007, 2:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-you-trying-to-discourage-conservatives-from-staying-at-sdmb/387259/254 "2007-01-11T02:30:53Z")
[QUOTE=GIGObuster] Actually after pages of insults you did ran away after I did link and pointed out the fallacy in the NewsMax report. And the apology of Armitage to Plame. [/quote] If you wish to use the word “actually” than perhaps you should link to the actual thread. Here, I’ll do it: [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=7762066&highlight=Plame#post7762066](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=7762066&highlight=Plame#post7762066) You’ll see that “actually” I staid for all 9 pages, making up the bulk of the posts throughout (and fighting massive hordes of villainous and cretinous lefties single-handed,) and that actually it was RTF who gave up and ran away (twice,) stating: “See you in some other thread, unfortunately.” and “Good night, and good luck.” Thereafter, ignoring my reply. So, if you wish to be “actual” I doubt you could use that as an example of my running away. > [@](#): > > Actually when I mentioned that circular cite me and others included previous debunking of the points, the problem was that “new” cites were appearing again with support of the same debunked points and I only pointed out that while the new source appeared to come from a different location and group, they were actually joined at the hip. It was an example of a sock puppet cite. “Actually,” could you provide a link to this interpretation of yours. “Actually,” it sounds somewhat fanciful. ---
**Author:** ![Baron\_Greenback](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/baron_greenback/32/48_2.png) [@Baron\_Greenback](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Baron_Greenback)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2007, 2:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-you-trying-to-discourage-conservatives-from-staying-at-sdmb/387259/255 "2007-01-11T02:33:08Z")
[QUOTE=gum] Ach, **elucidator** , you used to be funny. ☹ Which is more than I can say for you, \*\* Dead Badger\*\*, you stinking corpse. Yep. I’m ‘tolerant’. I do believe in freedom, peace and happiness for ALL people. Including non-muslims. [infidels, kaffirs, or what have you] Errr: Go fornicate a goat, why don’t you. [/QUOTE] This isn’t such a hate-filled rant if one sets it to a funky beat. Yo Chuck, what you saying…yeah boyeee. Don’t believe the hype. ---
**Author:** ![Scylla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a5b964/32.png) [@Scylla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scylla)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2007, 2:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-you-trying-to-discourage-conservatives-from-staying-at-sdmb/387259/256 "2007-01-11T02:40:19Z")
[QUOTE=Maeglin] This intrigues me. Although I find this counterintuitive, I would be willing to test this. [/quote] I think you would be a good and fair choice, and I would value your opinion (BTW, I actually checked before I posted and the front page really is full of Lilly Munster/Rosie versus Trump threads. > [@](#): > > **Scylla** , I’d gladly go over there and give civil discussion and debate a college try. You never know what might happen. Are you **Scylla** over there, too? I haven’t posted there since about two years ago. I took a hiatus from here on my 9,999th post for 6-9 mos, and hung out there before coming back. I was not **Scylla** there, and would prefer the relative anonymity, though I’m sure a determined person could search 2003 and find me in my inimicable style under another nom de plume. I know I don’t have to tell you, but other readers need to be careful if you visit lest we precipitate a board war like has occured in the past when open contact occured between boards with disparate philosophies. ---
**Author:** ![Maeglin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/8baadc/32.png) [@Maeglin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Maeglin)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2007, 2:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-you-trying-to-discourage-conservatives-from-staying-at-sdmb/387259/257 "2007-01-11T02:51:14Z")
[QUOTE=Scylla] I think you would be a good and fair choice, and I would value your opinion (BTW, I actually checked before I posted and the front page really is full of Lilly Munster/Rosie versus Trump threads. [/quote] Thanks. I am obviously not looking to start a board war and would have little interest sharing my exploits, such as they may be, here. To be honest, I am just curious. I have no bones about admitting that I am a dyed-in-the-wool NY yankee. I work at the World Trade Center in finance for a major global financial services corporation: despite this, I am surrounded by progressives. The CEO of my company only donates to democratic candidates. I even joined my company’s PAC, and as it turns out, even the evil credit card lobby is staffed by progressives. Even the Mormons I work with didn’t vote for Bush. As convinced as I may be that all of my beliefs are unswervingly correct, I honestly get bored of them from time to time. > [@](#): > > I haven’t posted there since about two years ago. I took a hiatus from here on my 9,999th post for 6-9 mos, and hung out there before coming back. I was not **Scylla** there, and would prefer the relative anonymity, though I’m sure a determined person could search 2003 and find me in my inimicable style under another nom de plume. Fair enough. I don’t exactly have that much time to waste, so I will leave unearthing your legacy to a basement-dweller somewhere. Incidentally, I must be on the wrong Free Republic. It is just articles with occasional comments. None of them are about Lily or whoever. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2007, 2:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-you-trying-to-discourage-conservatives-from-staying-at-sdmb/387259/258 "2007-01-11T02:53:40Z")
[QUOTE=Scylla] If you wish to use the word “actually” than perhaps you should link to the actual thread. Here, I’ll do it: [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=7762066&highlight=Plame#post7762066](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=7762066&highlight=Plame#post7762066) You’ll see that “actually” I staid for all 9 pages, making up the bulk of the posts throughout (and fighting massive hordes of villainous and cretinous lefties single-handed,) and that actually it was RTF who gave up and ran away (twice,) stating: “See you in some other thread, unfortunately.” and “Good night, and good luck.” Thereafter, ignoring my reply. [/quote] That would work if I was **RTF** , I think you are indeed projecting on others. Anyhow, thank you for showing all a perfect example of ignoring that time had made a mockery of your position there, it just so happens it was a right wing point where the right wing media did not told the whole truth and equivocated. ---
**Author:** ![Scylla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a5b964/32.png) [@Scylla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scylla)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2007, 3:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-you-trying-to-discourage-conservatives-from-staying-at-sdmb/387259/259 "2007-01-11T03:01:52Z")
[QUOTE=Maeglin] Incidentally, I must be on the wrong Free Republic. It is just articles with occasional comments. [/quote] No, that’s pretty much it. Hardly the rabid, foam-flecked free for all, that you might expect it. In fact, insults and such like we engage in here are pretty heavily frowned upon. In the “Smoky Back Room” which is there equivalent of the Pit (think 96% MPSIMS 4% BBQ pit, the most salacious and aggressive comment I find quickly is one guy saying that “terrorists should have no rights” and somebody else pointedly replying “I hope nobody accuses you of being a terrorist.” > [@](#): > > None of them are about Lily or whoever. General Chat and you’ll see a couple, and a couple more about Rosie, one about a Turtle in Thailand, one about the liberal press, and apparently Kelly Osborne would be willing to pose nude in Playboy. You’re going to be underwhelmed. ---
**Author:** ![Maeglin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/8baadc/32.png) [@Maeglin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Maeglin)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2007, 3:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-you-trying-to-discourage-conservatives-from-staying-at-sdmb/387259/260 "2007-01-11T03:10:56Z")
[QUOTE=Scylla] No, that’s pretty much it. Hardly the rabid, foam-flecked free for all, that you might expect it. In fact, insults and such like we engage in here are pretty heavily frowned upon. [/QUOTE] On further examination, there is plenty of foam. It is just not directed at fellow posters, but at liberals in absentia. Are they nicer to actual progressives in person? Well, other than 754 contentious replies about Mary in the Bible. I’m a godless traitor, so I wouldn’t touch that thread with Dick Cheney’s… [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-you-trying-to-discourage-conservatives-from-staying-at-sdmb/387259.md?page=12) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-you-trying-to-discourage-conservatives-from-staying-at-sdmb/387259.md?page=14)