# Aretha singing for Carole King at Kennedy Center Honors - why didn't I know about this?! **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [January 27, 2016, 8:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/aretha-singing-for-carole-king-at-kennedy-center-honors-why-didnt-i-know-about-this/744410 "2016-01-27T20:46:25Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 10\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![WhyNot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/c77e96/32.png) [@WhyNot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WhyNot)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2016, 1:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/aretha-singing-for-carole-king-at-kennedy-center-honors-why-didnt-i-know-about-this/744410/21 "2016-01-31T13:32:58Z")
[![](https://i.ytimg.com/vi/gyta_iTWR7g/hqdefault.jpg "Carole King - Natural Woman (Tradução)") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gyta_iTWR7g) [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/68vfkd1dvBQ/maxresdefault.jpg "Carole King (You Make Me Feel Like) A Natural Woman - Later with Jools Holland Live HD") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=68vfkd1dvBQ) ---
**Author:** ![Bridget\_Burke](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7cd45c/32.png) [@Bridget\_Burke](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bridget_Burke)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2016, 1:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/aretha-singing-for-carole-king-at-kennedy-center-honors-why-didnt-i-know-about-this/744410/22 "2016-01-31T13:52:59Z")
> [@up\_the\_junction](#): > > She basically carpet bombs a sweet, pure, intimate declaration between lovers - it was CKs evening. > > **Wendell Wagner** , yes. Shouldn’t you be watching reruns of _Downton Abbey_? Better yet, _Keeping Up Appearances_? In which you regard Hyacinth as the heroine… Thankfully, plenty of Brits are able to enjoy excellent music. ---
**Author:** ![up\_the\_junction](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/f1d935/32.png) [@up\_the\_junction](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/up_the_junction)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2016, 7:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/aretha-singing-for-carole-king-at-kennedy-center-honors-why-didnt-i-know-about-this/744410/23 "2016-01-31T19:53:47Z")
I know. They mostly made it in the first place. ---
**Author:** ![Leaffan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/leaffan/32/299_2.png) [@Leaffan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Leaffan)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2016, 8:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/aretha-singing-for-carole-king-at-kennedy-center-honors-why-didnt-i-know-about-this/744410/24 "2016-01-31T20:49:49Z")
> [@WhyNot](#): > > Wait…“Natural Woman”? “Sweet, little, intimate”? > > Pardon me, good sirandormadam, but have you entirely gone off your rocker? That song is in fact an anthem of glorious sexual freedom, a barbaric yawp, larger than society’s collective fist of female oppression. > > If the Brits see it as “little,” then, no, I’m sorry, you cannot have it. Aretha may be a worldwide treasure, but that song will have to remain in our custody until your women are lusty enough to properly embrace it. > > More seriously, I’ve seen Carole King perform it in concert, and there’s nothing “Sweet, little, intimate” about it. It’s big. It’s raw. It tears forth from her throat like the primal scream of a good orgasm while her hair flies in a deranged halo around her and the piano begs for one more good pounding. I think I love you. ---
**Author:** ![WordMan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/e8c25b/32.png) [@WordMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WordMan)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2016, 9:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/aretha-singing-for-carole-king-at-kennedy-center-honors-why-didnt-i-know-about-this/744410/25 "2016-03-29T21:20:28Z")
Written by the editor in chief, David Remnick. > **[Aretha Franklin’s American Soul](https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2016/04/04/aretha-franklins-american-soul?mbid=nl_160329_Daily&CNDID=29175739&spMailingID=8723143&spUserID=MTA5MjQwNjEzNjE5S0&spJobID=883276371&spReportId=ODgzMjc2MzcxS0)** > > From 2016: David Remnick on the ascent and influence of the greatest singer in the history of postwar popular music. [QUOTE=David Remnick in The New Yorker] Franklin has won eighteen Grammy awards, sold tens of millions of records, and is generally acknowledged to be the greatest singer in the history of postwar popular music. James Brown, Sam Cooke, Etta James, Otis Redding, Ray Charles: even they cannot match her power, her range from gospel to jazz, R. & B., and pop. At the 1998 Grammys, Luciano Pavarotti called in sick with a sore throat and Aretha, with twenty minutes’ notice, sang “Nessun dorma” for him. What distinguishes her is not merely the breadth of her catalogue or the cataract force of her vocal instrument; it’s her musical intelligence, her way of singing behind the beat, of spraying a wash of notes over a single word or syllable, of constructing, moment by moment, the emotional power of a three-minute song. “Respect” is as precise an artifact as a Ming vase. [/QUOTE] He discusses this Kennedy Center Honors performance quite a bit. Aretha cites it as one of her best nights ever, top 3 or 4. Cool. [QUOTE=Obama in the article] You can hear Aretha’s influence across the landscape of American music, no matter the genre,” Obama wrote me. “What other artist had that kind of impact? Dylan. Maybe Stevie, Ray Charles. The Beatles and the Stones—but, of course, they’re imports. The jazz giants like Armstrong. But it’s a short list. And if I’m stranded on a desert island, and have ten records to take, I know she’s in the collection. For she’ll remind me of my humanity. What’s essential in all of us. And she just sounds so damn good. Here’s a tip: when you’re deejaying a party, open with ‘Rock Steady.’ ” [/QUOTE] Nice. ---
**Author:** ![I\_Love\_Me\_Vol.I](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/i_love_me_vol.i/32/521_2.png) [@I\_Love\_Me\_Vol.I](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/I_Love_Me_Vol.I)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2016, 7:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/aretha-singing-for-carole-king-at-kennedy-center-honors-why-didnt-i-know-about-this/744410/26 "2016-03-30T07:44:59Z")
> [@EinsteinsHund](#): > > I would give my right arm to just once see her perform, but sadly I know that she doesn’t perform much anymore , and unfortunately she certainly won’t tour Germany. That’s a pity, but there are her recordings as a consolation. My very first concert (my family was a bit different) was an outdoor twin-bill of Dave Brubeck and Aretha Franklin. After a great show by Brubeck, Aretha came on. There was a helicopter circling overhead and while she was singling her opening number it flew lower and became noticeably louder. In the midst of her song she looked up at the chopper, shook her fist at it and belted out: _“Fly, fly away birdie!!”_ Doesn’t seem like much, I know, but I’ll never forget that ad-libbed showmanship. What a professional. What a talent. Amazing. ETA: Regarding her Kennedy Center performance: I am so embarrassed to say this but, I never knew she could play piano like that! ---
**Author:** ![Labdad](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/439d5e/32.png) [@Labdad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Labdad)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2016, 6:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/aretha-singing-for-carole-king-at-kennedy-center-honors-why-didnt-i-know-about-this/744410/27 "2016-03-30T18:12:05Z")
> [@Yookeroo](#): > > Wow. Did Obama wipe away a tear at the beginning? Not that I blame him. It certainly brought a tear to MY eye when I saw it! ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2016, 6:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/aretha-singing-for-carole-king-at-kennedy-center-honors-why-didnt-i-know-about-this/744410/28 "2016-03-30T18:49:15Z")
Wonderful moment. First time I’ve seen Aretha play piano. Somehow, some way, I want to see Aretha and Gladys Knight perform in concert. They both are still touring, I just have to find concerts with 300 to 400 miles of my home. ---
**Author:** ![WordMan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/e8c25b/32.png) [@WordMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WordMan)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2016, 10:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/aretha-singing-for-carole-king-at-kennedy-center-honors-why-didnt-i-know-about-this/744410/29 "2016-03-31T10:39:33Z")
Regarding Aretha and Piano: Oh, yeah, she knew her Gospel chords on piano. She played piano on some of her sessions and used it communicate with the Muscle Shoals guys. Her respect for keyboardist Spooner Oldham is part of what led her to trust those musicians - coming up with those keyboard riffs and big chords. She is a wonderful player. I believe she plays piano on Amazing Grace, which The New Yorker article discusses in detail - it is a best selling live album of hers. But there is a film of it that is apparently one of the greatest unseen lives performances ever. Aretha has been blocking it - because she’s Aretha. The piano on it is wonderful; I just can’t tell where she is playing. Regardless, this is her at the top of her form, in perfect voice, singing the music she grew up with in her bones. This is best-ever stuff. [![]( " - YouTube") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gy9Xnwyhcc0) Note: yes, she stretches out and uses melisma. Yes, it is overused now, and many of her progeny overdo it just like Eddie Van Halen’s descendents sound like they are typing, not playing guitar. If you need to complain about the general state of oversinging, start another thread. In general, I hate it, too. But this is amazing, amazing gospel, with a wonderful backing choir. This is how it _should_ be used and no one has ever done it better. I feel like Obama when I listen to this - where’s Michelle with a tissue when you need her? ---
**Author:** ![pool](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pool/32/4152_2.png) [@pool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pool)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2016, 11:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/aretha-singing-for-carole-king-at-kennedy-center-honors-why-didnt-i-know-about-this/744410/30 "2016-03-31T11:24:19Z")
I’m not really someone that listens to Aretha, I didn’t even know that she played the piano, Wow that is some real talent that woman has, you can’t fake that. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/aretha-singing-for-carole-king-at-kennedy-center-honors-why-didnt-i-know-about-this/744410.md?page=1)