# Argent Towers, a moment of your time. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [February 16, 2010, 6:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/argent-towers-a-moment-of-your-time/529227 "2010-02-16T18:23:45Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 9
**Author:** ![Myrnalene](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c4cdca/32.png) [@Myrnalene](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Myrnalene)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2010, 10:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/argent-towers-a-moment-of-your-time/529227/161 "2010-02-16T22:01:07Z")
> [@DiosaBellissima](#): > > Granted, I’m not a parent, but I find it odd that your first reaction is to think that someone is trying to fuck your kid. Not just fuck your kid, but spend countless amounts of time grooming your child for the NAMBLA relationship, all to whisk them away into a twisted, sodomy-laden relationship. > > My first thought would, needless to say, not be that. You keep acting like this was some slightly naughty book maybe a shade darker than Anne Rice. Have you not read the descriptions here at all? > [@filling pages](#): > > Every page, every paragraph, lovingly details heavy racism, shit eating, child rape, rape in general, raunch sex, piss drinking, sexual violence, incest, and so on. If you have not read it, it is much, much more explicitly, violently pornographic than you are thinking. What earthly reason would an adult have to press such a book on a kid? We must assume that Argent Tower’s reasons are as singular as they are stupid. My first response as a parent sure as fuck wouldn’t be that he was trying to get my child to think critically on religious matters. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![DiosaBellissima](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a8b319/32.png) [@DiosaBellissima](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DiosaBellissima)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2010, 10:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/argent-towers-a-moment-of-your-time/529227/162 "2010-02-16T22:01:17Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > Then shut the fuck up. I’m sorry, sir. Should I just not speak at all? I was a 13 year old once, so does that mean I can talk a little bit about what that was like but not at all about the adult perspective? I also work with teenagers, so does that mean I can speak from the perspective of a third party, professional observer or no? Or should I just let folks like you tell me all about the world? Need answer fast. I’ve been bad, **Dio**. Real bad. I’m so sorry. > [@Myrnalene](#): > > You keep acting like this was some slightly naughty book maybe a shade darker than Anne Rice. Have you not read the descriptions here at all? > What earthly reason would an adult have to press such a book on a kid? We must assume that Argent Tower’s reasons are as singular as they are stupid. My first response as a parent sure as fuck wouldn’t be that he was trying to get my child to think critically on religious matters. :rolleyes: This thread has made me reconsider. I definitely thing **Argent** wants to piss in this kid’s ass. Someone call the CIA. > [@D\_Odds](#): > > I prefer _Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity_, as it is easier to believe there are 7+ billion stupid people, and **AT** has already copped to that. Amen to that. ---
**Author:** ![Syntropy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/65b543/32.png) [@Syntropy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Syntropy)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2010, 10:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/argent-towers-a-moment-of-your-time/529227/163 "2010-02-16T22:03:32Z")
> [@Argent\_Towers](#): > > Yeah, I know. Let’s count up how many people have been killed in the name of _Hogg_, and compare that to how many people have been killed in the name of _The Holy Bible._ Ready? Start counting! Not the point and you should know that. It doesn’t matter what’s worse, what’s as bad or who espouses it. Stupid shitty things other people do is not justification for what you did. Just stop. > [@](#): > > I will apologize for what I did (I actually already did.) It was stupid; talking to him via PM was stupid; actually, bringing up the book at all was stupid, especially since I had said that I wasn’t going to do it anymore, and I failed to carry that out. But with all that said, I wish people would just grasp the point I was trying to make. This has absolutely nothing to do with “child grooming.” Then quit defending your actions. Quit comparing them to what bad things other people say and do. I don’t think it had anything whatsoever to do with grooming. However, I can see where a parent might and that is all that matters here. If you want your apology acknowledged and accepted, then stop going on about how, compared to the Bible or what the _real_ Curtis LeMay said and did it’s not all that bad. It makes you sound insincere and more than a little childish. Man up for fuck’s sake. > [@bucketybuck](#): > > I think that when a variant of this is used for the millionth time on this board, the admin should give the whoever posts it a free, lifetime charter membership. Excellent. You should put that in the suggestion box. Or the nearest available orifice you can find. ---
**Author:** ![dropzone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dropzone/32/7515_2.png) [@dropzone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dropzone)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2010, 10:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/argent-towers-a-moment-of-your-time/529227/164 "2010-02-16T22:03:51Z")
> [@DiosaBellissima](#): > > **Edit to add** : I get erring on the side of caution and wouldn’t chastise that at all. I’m just saying that I find it odd the default assumption that someone wants to sodomize your kid is reasonable. _shrug_ I’m a protective father. My wife’s worse. Compared with her I’m the voice of reason, suggesting we not go off half-cocked. But it’s not paranoia. It’s situational awareness. ---
**Author:** ![DiosaBellissima](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a8b319/32.png) [@DiosaBellissima](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DiosaBellissima)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2010, 10:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/argent-towers-a-moment-of-your-time/529227/165 "2010-02-16T22:06:06Z")
> [@dropzone](#): > > _shrug_ I’m a protective father. My wife’s worse. Compared with her I’m the voice of reason, suggesting we not go off half-cocked. > > But it’s not paranoia. It’s situational awareness. I feel ya. I obviously am tremendously protective of my friends’ kids, family members, etc. It takes a village and all that jazz. I’m not criticizing you for being aware, you’d be a bad parent not to be. Rather, I think it speaks volumes about our society that the default assumption is PEDOPHILE. This is why men are scared to help lost children- something that gets posted about lots on this board. ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2010, 10:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/argent-towers-a-moment-of-your-time/529227/166 "2010-02-16T22:07:13Z")
Hey **Diosa** , ignoring the odd attack from Dio, please reread post 120 for the content of the PMs by AT and tell me that is not beyond stupid? ---
**Author:** ![Sarahfeena](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sarahfeena/32/519_2.png) [@Sarahfeena](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sarahfeena)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2010, 10:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/argent-towers-a-moment-of-your-time/529227/167 "2010-02-16T22:07:50Z")
> [@DiosaBellissima](#): > > I feel ya. I obviously am tremendously protective of my friends’ kids, family members, etc. It takes a village and all that jazz. I’m not criticizing you for being aware, you’d be a bad parent not to be. Rather, I think it speaks volumes about our society that the default assumption is PEDOPHILE. This is why men are scared to help lost children- something that gets posted about lots on this board. Well, if the men help the lost children by recommending they read _Hogg_, then I think that’s probably something they should be scared to get caught doing. ---
**Author:** ![Myrnalene](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c4cdca/32.png) [@Myrnalene](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Myrnalene)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2010, 10:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/argent-towers-a-moment-of-your-time/529227/168 "2010-02-16T22:09:09Z")
> [@DiosaBellissima](#): > > I feel ya. I obviously am tremendously protective of my friends’ kids, family members, etc. It takes a village and all that jazz. I’m not criticizing you for being aware, you’d be a bad parent not to be. Rather, I think it speaks volumes about our society that the default assumption is PEDOPHILE. This is why men are scared to help lost children- something that gets posted about lots on this board. There is a wide gulf between helping lost children and recommending violent child rape scenarios to them to read. The fact that you cannot see this is one of the reasons you are dripping stupid all over this thread. ---
**Author:** ![Ed\_Zotti](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/fbc32d/32.png) [@Ed\_Zotti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ed_Zotti)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2010, 10:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/argent-towers-a-moment-of-your-time/529227/169 "2010-02-16T22:09:11Z")
I swear, it’s one fricking thing after another. **Argent Towers** , recommending pornography to a person you believe to be a minor is beyond stupid. True, we don’t have a specific rule against it. Who’d have thought we needed one? However, it’s a clear violation of the “don’t be a jerk” rule, which I can see we’re going to have to start applying more liberally. So here’s a formal warning: if you ever do anything so breathtakingly irresponsible again, or violate any other SDMB rules, or just generally behave like an idiot, you’ll be banned without further notice. ---
**Author:** ![DiosaBellissima](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a8b319/32.png) [@DiosaBellissima](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DiosaBellissima)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2010, 10:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/argent-towers-a-moment-of-your-time/529227/170 "2010-02-16T22:11:30Z")
> [@What\_Exit](#): > > Hey **Diosa** , ignoring the odd attack from Dio, please reread post 120 for the content of the PMs by AT and tell me that is not beyond stupid? AT admits it was a poor choice, though I can’t speak for him. Would I seek out someone I thought was 13 to tell them to listen to some super vulgar rap song or watch some crazy snuff film\*? No. Even if I thought it would change their life, I realize that such an action would be outside of what I consider my zone of good ideas (for a whole litany of reasons). But do you honestly (and I mean this: HONESTLY) think that AT’s intent was to groom this child for the ass pissing good time that is, apparently, written about in this book? _Seriously?_ Because that has been suggested here and I am just blown away by that fact. \*I can’t think of book I’ve read of late that would meet this standard, so I’m using an easier example. ---
**Author:** ![DiosaBellissima](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a8b319/32.png) [@DiosaBellissima](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DiosaBellissima)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2010, 10:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/argent-towers-a-moment-of-your-time/529227/171 "2010-02-16T22:12:38Z")
> [@Myrnalene](#): > > There is a wide gulf between helping lost children and recommending violent child rape scenarios to them to read. The fact that you cannot see this is one of the reasons you are dripping stupid all over this thread. I’m not saying the two things are analogous, JFC. I’m just saying that the general perception in our society about men, children, and OMG RAMPANT PEDOPHELIA!!!1111!!! is not exactly setting an ideal precedent. ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2010, 10:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/argent-towers-a-moment-of-your-time/529227/172 "2010-02-16T22:13:26Z")
> [@DiosaBellissima](#): > > AT admits it was a poor choice, though I can’t speak for him. > > Would I seek out someone I thought was 13 to tell them to listen to some super vulgar rap song or watch some crazy snuff film\*? No. Even if I thought it would change their life, I realize that such an action would be outside of what I consider my zone of good ideas (for a whole litany of reasons). > > But do you honestly (and I mean this: HONESTLY) think that AT’s intent was to groom this child for the ass pissing good time that is, apparently, written about in this book? _Seriously?_ Because that has been suggested here and I am just blown away by that fact. > > \*I can’t think of book I’ve read of late that would meet this standard, so I’m using an easier example. I never suggested he was grooming, but I think telling a 13 year old to ignore his parents is well, befitting of the warning Ed Zotti just gave out. ETA: BTW, I love this part of the warning “so breathtakingly irresponsible again” it sums it up so well. Slow Clap for Ed Zotti on this one. ---
**Author:** ![SmartAleq](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smartaleq/32/163_2.png) [@SmartAleq](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SmartAleq)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2010, 10:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/argent-towers-a-moment-of-your-time/529227/173 "2010-02-16T22:13:55Z")
> [@Syntropy](#): > > Remind me. Which of you is the adult? At this point I’m leaning heavily toward the thirteen year old who at least seems to grasp the concept that a contemplated action could have undesirable consequences. ---
**Author:** ![DiosaBellissima](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a8b319/32.png) [@DiosaBellissima](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DiosaBellissima)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2010, 10:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/argent-towers-a-moment-of-your-time/529227/174 "2010-02-16T22:15:00Z")
> [@What\_Exit](#): > > I never suggested he was grooming, but I think telling a 13 year old to ignore his parents is well, befitting of the warning Ed Zotti just gave out. After I posted that, I realized I should have mentioned that particular section of what I wrote was addressed to the general “you”, not you specifically, friend. Sorry about that. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![dropzone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dropzone/32/7515_2.png) [@dropzone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dropzone)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2010, 10:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/argent-towers-a-moment-of-your-time/529227/175 "2010-02-16T22:17:13Z")
> [@DiosaBellissima](#): > > I’m not saying the two things are analogous, JFC. I’m just saying that the general perception in our society about men, children, and OMG RAMPANT PEDOPHELIA!!!1111!!! is not exactly setting an ideal precedent. I feel bad that it’s my default, too, but I know too much about the experiences of people I know to not have very loud alarms go off. ETA: Thanks for the clarification, Ed. ---
**Author:** ![Myrnalene](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c4cdca/32.png) [@Myrnalene](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Myrnalene)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2010, 10:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/argent-towers-a-moment-of-your-time/529227/176 "2010-02-16T22:17:39Z")
> [@DiosaBellissima](#): > > I’m just saying that the general perception in our society about men, children, and OMG RAMPANT PEDOPHELIA!!!1111!!! is not exactly setting an ideal precedent. That may be the case, but I have no idea why you would choose a thread about an adult recommending violent rape fantasies to a child to do it. ---
**Author:** ![Syntropy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/65b543/32.png) [@Syntropy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Syntropy)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2010, 10:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/argent-towers-a-moment-of-your-time/529227/177 "2010-02-16T22:18:57Z")
> [@DiosaBellissima](#): > > I’m not saying the two things are analogous, JFC. I’m just saying that the general perception in our society about men, children, and OMG RAMPANT PEDOPHELIA!!!1111!!! is not exactly setting an ideal precedent. Good for you. Were you to start a discussion on said overreactions, I’m sure you’d find a great many people who agree that such harmful stereotypes do more harm than good. But we’re not talking about society in general and the overreactions that raising children in an age where all strange men are portrayed as sexual predators elicits. We are talking about the stupid assed actions of one poster on this board. ---
**Author:** ![DiosaBellissima](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a8b319/32.png) [@DiosaBellissima](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DiosaBellissima)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2010, 10:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/argent-towers-a-moment-of-your-time/529227/178 "2010-02-16T22:21:26Z")
> [@Myrnalene](#): > > That may be the case, but I have no idea why you would choose a thread about an adult recommending violent rape fantasies to a child to do it. And you forgot to mention: a dirty pedophile who is grooming a sweet, innocent little boy via an internet message board to pee on him and ejaculate on his pee after raping him. . . or something. I dunno, **Argent** , why don’t you have a seat over there? Really though: I haven’t read this book, but it doesn’t exactly sounds like it portrays the adult-child relationship in a particularly positive light. If Argent _were_ grooming his next victim, wouldn’t you guys think that he’d use something a little more. . .pleasant sounding? ---
**Author:** ![elbows](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/b3f665/32.png) [@elbows](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elbows)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2010, 10:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/argent-towers-a-moment-of-your-time/529227/179 "2010-02-16T22:21:53Z")
> [@](#): > > the “don’t be a jerk” rule, which I can see we’re going to have to start applying more liberally. Maybe, if you took this advice, > [@](#): > > I swear, it’s one fricking thing after another. This wouldn’t be the case. I’m just saying. OOOOh a warning! That’ll show him! Christ on a stick, are you deaf man? ---
**Author:** ![DiosaBellissima](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a8b319/32.png) [@DiosaBellissima](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DiosaBellissima)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2010, 10:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/argent-towers-a-moment-of-your-time/529227/180 "2010-02-16T22:23:48Z")
> [@elbows](#): > > OOOOh a warning! That’ll show him! > > Christ on a stick, are you deaf man? LET’S BURN THE PEDOPHILE! I mean, he didn’t really say he wants to pee on this kid, but I think any jury would agree that was his intent. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/argent-towers-a-moment-of-your-time/529227.md?page=8) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/argent-towers-a-moment-of-your-time/529227.md?page=10)