# Argentine submarine (44 aboard) goes missing **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [November 18, 2017, 5:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/argentine-submarine-44-aboard-goes-missing/802007 "2017-11-18T17:59:19Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 8\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2017, 3:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/argentine-submarine-44-aboard-goes-missing/802007/81 "2017-11-25T15:59:26Z")
Sorry; I apparently wasn’t clear enough. I’m not suggesting the Argentines detected the explosion and kept it a secret from their own searchers. I’m suggesting \*other countries \*may have detected the explosion using their highly classified stuff and didn’t immediately rush to tell the world since that would disclose their own capabilities to \*their \*would-be enemies. If their treaty relationships with the Argentines are strong enough they might have been willing to privately share the info, or fuzzed versions of it. But if not, then not. Sorry to confuse folks. ---
**Author:** ![bucketybuck](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/898d66/32.png) [@bucketybuck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bucketybuck)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2017, 4:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/argentine-submarine-44-aboard-goes-missing/802007/82 "2017-11-25T16:45:55Z")
> [@Velocity](#): > > I would imagine that Argentina is a country safe enough from hostile attack that the benefits of possibly rescuing 44 crewmembers is well worth the trade-off of possibly leaking sensitive sonar/hydrophone info to other countries. I don’t think its Argentina that would be worried about doing the leaking, surely its the US or Russia that heard the bang and had to consider how much they could or should share with the wider world? ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2017, 5:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/argentine-submarine-44-aboard-goes-missing/802007/83 "2017-11-25T17:32:05Z")
> [@LSLGuy](#): > > I’m suggesting \*other countries \*may have detected the explosion using their highly classified stuff and didn’t immediately rush to tell the world since that would disclose their own capabilities to \*their \*would-be enemies. > > If their treaty relationships with the Argentines are strong enough they might have been willing to privately share the info, or fuzzed versions of it. But if not, then not. I know nothing about this save that the USN and presumably the Russians operate systems to locate submarines by sound, but your idea seems likely to me. The British are probably very interested in what goes on with submarines near the Falklands, but I know know if they have the listening equipment. But then they have the antisub responsibility for NATO. ---
**Author:** ![Hermitian](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hermitian/32/470_2.png) [@Hermitian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hermitian)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2017, 10:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/argentine-submarine-44-aboard-goes-missing/802007/84 "2017-11-27T22:23:47Z")
> [@Velocity](#): > > The submarine is 34 years old; not sure how aged that is by submersible standards but probably a definite hazard. Depends on how you maintain it. The Ohio Class is planned to be operational for 42 years ([cite](https://news.usni.org/2016/02/03/ohio-class-subs-approaching-several-firsts-as-navy-prepares-them-to-reach-42-years-of-service)). It is entirely possible to serve on the same submarine as your grandfather! ---
**Author:** ![JRDelirious](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jrdelirious/32/9531_2.png) [@JRDelirious](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JRDelirious)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2017, 1:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/argentine-submarine-44-aboard-goes-missing/802007/85 "2017-11-28T01:01:33Z")
> [@Hermitian](#): > > Depends on how you maintain it. The Ohio Class is planned to be operational for 42 years ([cite](https://news.usni.org/2016/02/03/ohio-class-subs-approaching-several-firsts-as-navy-prepares-them-to-reach-42-years-of-service)). > > It is entirely possible to serve on the same submarine as your grandfather! And many ship classes have “mid-life” refits, even in rich-country navies because a budget’s a budget. _San Juan_ had one between 2008 and 2013 that involved pretty much taking the whole boat apart–including the hull–and putting it back together. That was done kind of late already: sister boat _Santa Cruz_ had its first midlife refit done 1999-2001 and is having another one right now. (\*Santa Cruz \*had its first refit at a Brazilian yard, as the Argentine fleet yard was at the time out of commission; _San Juan_’s refit was delayed (and prolonged) by budgetary constraints.) ---
**Author:** ![Velocity](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/velocity/32/18006_2.png) [@Velocity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Velocity)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2017, 1:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/argentine-submarine-44-aboard-goes-missing/802007/86 "2017-11-28T01:24:47Z")
> [@LSLGuy](#): > > Sorry; I apparently wasn’t clear enough. I’m not suggesting the Argentines detected the explosion and kept it a secret from their own searchers. > > I’m suggesting \*other countries \*may have detected the explosion using their highly classified stuff and didn’t immediately rush to tell the world since that would disclose their own capabilities to \*their \*would-be enemies. > > If their treaty relationships with the Argentines are strong enough they might have been willing to privately share the info, or fuzzed versions of it. But if not, then not. > > Sorry to confuse folks. No, you were clear enough, I just misread, that was all. And this sounds a lot like MH370 three years ago, in terms of how many neighboring Asian countries were supposedly reluctant to give Malaysia radar information that was requested, due to not wanting to divulge their radar capabilities. ---
**Author:** ![Velocity](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/velocity/32/18006_2.png) [@Velocity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Velocity)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2018, 6:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/argentine-submarine-44-aboard-goes-missing/802007/87 "2018-11-17T06:46:25Z")
It’s been found: > **[Navy, Defence Ministry confirm ARA San Juan submarine has been found](https://www.batimes.com.ar/news/argentina/navy-defence-ministry-confirm-ara-san-juan-submarine-has-been-found.phtml?fbclid=IwAR0nsUcM19B_fVvjKM8PhY4KR9LRuL_QfNb2lcSZ1Mh6rLDvqY4aBJFSnwk)** > > US firm Ocean Infinity confirms object discovered at a depth of 800 metres is the missing vessel, which disappeared on November 15, 2017, almost exactly one year ago. ---
**Author:** ![Sunny\_Daze](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sunny_daze/32/438_2.png) [@Sunny\_Daze](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sunny_Daze)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2018, 6:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/argentine-submarine-44-aboard-goes-missing/802007/88 "2018-11-17T06:58:23Z")
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