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Testy:
“I’m not a hater of unconventional medicine, I take vitamin supplements myself. I do believe that unconventional medicines MUST succeed at the same trials as all other drugs before accepting them as a medication. Homeopaths have made several claims of testing their work and showing it to be effective. The experiments were either flawed or non-reproducible and at least one case (in France) was shown to be a massive fraud.”
Yes, they are in ALMOST every pharmacie. As far as I know, they are not used instead of placebo for placebo effect. In my own experience, they worked for my DD when no conventional medicine would’ve been possible (ie couldn’t put gook on her eye so close to eyeball). BTW, the med for cuts, scrapes was Arnica Montana.
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As far as I’m concerned, everybody in the whole wide world has my 100% permission to ingest any and all substances that their little hearts desire, as long as they don’t do it in the street and frighten the horses. If you wanna take tissue salts, or St. John’s wort, or Beano, or Dairy-eeze, or horse pee, or whatever, that’s fine with The Duck.
Just a couple of requests, though–first, don’t buttonhole me about it constantly, and second, when I come over to your house, be patient with my need for a Lipton teabag instead of Doctor Heybobbareebob’s Miracle 100 Year Tibetan Tisane.
And I’m sure that the fact that some people abuse alcohol does not concern the people who still buy and enjoy alcoholic beverages. So - what do you want people to do? Never use a product that some people might abuse, or use irresponsibly?
Should or should not people be allowed to buy and use products that they personally are convinced are working for them? Or do they have to clear it all with you first, to make sure that you approve? Because, GOD FORBID any of us be allowed to make our own choices.
And I’m sure Anahita’s doctors would be interested in your opinion.
My tissue salts worked (in my opinion, for me). Could it be that they were the same quality of tissue salts that people like Anahita’s doctors would prescribe? I don’t need to convince you, needless to say. But I am personally convinced, myself. And I don’t see any reason why I should stop buying a product that is working, for me.
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Nope, can’t think of when I’ve done that. I don’t believe I’ve ever started a “pro crackpot medicine” thread on this board, either. But I will respond when other people start threads, painting all “alternative medicine” with such a broad brush, and acting as if everyone who uses them is a deluded sheep, and/or should not be allowed to make such a choice.
Why would I want to push something down you that you don’t want? Besides, Doctor Heybobbareebob’s tea is quite hard to come by. If you don’t want any, that just leaves more for me!
…am I not imbibing all kinds of homeopathic madecines? After all, tap water contains all kinds of chemicals at the PPB level (or below)…so according to the “laws” of homeopathy, plain ole tap water ought to cure just about everything!
How exactly is yosemitebabe taking these “tissue salts”?
There is a clear distinction between homeopathy and so called “home-made” treatments. What she’s doing doesn’t sound much like homeopathy.
Homeopathy = “If a lot is good for you, than hardly any of it is even better.”
Spanky: They are small little sugar pills, and are called “homeopathic” on the bottle.
My mom (The Crackpot Queen) pestered me into taking them (she sent them to me) and I figured, “what the hell, they can’t hurt.” And then I noticed the homemade chili and tissue salts connection. It took me a while to figure out that they were the reason behind why I sometimes could digest my chili, and sometimes I couldn’t. I went on and off the tissue salts several times before I finally became convinced. Good enough for me. Whether they would work the same way for anyone else, or whether anyone else believes me, I don’t care. But if I am convinced there’s a connection, I’m going to keep on using the damned things.
It may be a natural herb, but is it safe? Just as conventional medication can have side effects and dangerous interactions with other medicines, so can herbal supplements. Link.
And THEN they blame “medical science” for the death - couldn’t possibly be their decision making involved, even partially, oh no…
What’s the homeopathic remedy for drowning?
Pound sand?
yosemitebabe
IMHO, the issue is education. As long as you know that you are spending $29.95 for a remedy that has no scientific basis, has never been demonstrated to have any physiological effect in a reliable scientific study and is nothing more than distilled water, I have no objections.
Where I get annoyed is when people who don’t know the facts get suckered into relying on homeopathy and spending their hard-earned money on it. If, as did you, they make an informed decision, that’s fine. But that’s usually not what happens.
BTW, one of the difficulties with this discussion is that you and Anahita are arguing for a subjective view of reality (It works for me, therefore it is true for me) as opposed to an objective view of reality (It works, therefore it is true). This comes up a lot whenever traditional and alternative medicine clash and makes it very difficult to hold a discusion on whether there is proof that alternative medicine works because the two sides don’t agree on what “proof” means. This question probably belongs in Great Debates, though. 
Well, that’s fine. I never have made any claims other than it works for me. I don’t initiate conversations (as a rule) about homeopathy, since I don’t really have much experience with it. I would not insist that anyone accept that just because a certain combination of tissue salts worked for me, that everyone else should start taking the same thing.
Well, there are a lot of suckers out there. I’m not saying I’ve never been one, of course. I’m sure I have. But I don’t think it’s my responsibility to stop buying something I feel I am getting something out of, because some people are suckers.
And we have been really clear on that. All we want (if I can be so bold as to speak for Anahita) is to take whatever “crackpot” cure in peace, without having other people bug us about it. They sometimes bug us in such a smug way, like, “I’m going to save you, you poor deluded fool”. Nobody appreciates that. I’m sure Anahita doesn’t appreciate any insinuations that she’s a bad parent. She’s carefully considering her pediatrician’s advice, and is using certain homeopathic medicines because so far, they seem to be working. She isn’t behaving irresposibly (not that anyone has directly accused her of that, of course). And I’m sure she doesn’t need to be “saved” - she’s not stupid, or deluded.
So, I want to say to anyone who is trying to “save me”: Leave me alone. I have made it clear that I have made an informed choice, and I can take care of myself. Please go out and “save” someone else.
As for myself, I’m not interested in offering “proof” about how this particular combination of homeopathic medicine worked for me. Don’t believe me, that’s fine. Just leave me the hell alone about it! Don’t keep preaching to me about how it “doesn’t really work”! I won’t preach to you, (the collective “you”) so please do me the same courtesy!
Yosemitebabe, I hope you will not take my comments as the “preaching” you decry, but I’ve long been interested in medical quackery and fringe treatments, so I feel the need to share my perhaps unsolicitated thoughts.
In all due respect, a statement such as this on a board where reason and critical thinking are at least paid lip-service is going to draw fire. When you state “I never have made any claims other than it works for me” you are making a statement of fact, not of opinion. Although you have not said it in so many words, your underlying premise is that in some fashion the homeopathic solution has physically cured your malady (the only other alternative is that you are stating you’ve deluded yourself into believing such a thing, which I doubt is what you intended).
Be prepared to support your factual claims when others call them into question, even if you’re only claiming something “in my case”. If you don’t, frankly, you’ll look foolish, especially when someone marshals facts against you.
If you post that “homeopathy works for me” then you should be prepared for the collective “us” to point out that the scientific evidence for homeopathy is shaky at best. It’s not a matter of preaching - it’s a simple statement of fact. If you perceive that as preaching than I hope you can understand why some of us, applying the same standard, would find statements such as “homeopathy works for me” to be “preaching” too and feel the need to “testify” for the opposing viewpoint.
You know, I think the main reason that homeopathy persists is its cool-sounding name. Roll it off your tongue: “ho-me-o-pa-thy”. It sounds soothing and earthy, like a bowl of chicken soup served by a nudist.
How, exactly, am I supposed to prove that something worked for me, and just me? Do I need to go to a lab? What? And while I have said it worked for me, I also welcomed anyone who didn’t believe me to not believe me. Fine. Don’t believe me. :shrug:
Fine! Don’t believe me!
Fine! Don’t believe me! (But while I’m at it, are you going to tell Anahita’s doctors that what they are perscribing doesn’t work? Feel free to not believe me, but I do wonder about Anahita’s doctors…)
When I’ve made it clear that you are free to not believe me, and ask to be left alone, yeah, at that point, I’d perceive it as “preaching”.