# Arizona is out of control **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [April 24, 2010, 1:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/arizona-is-out-of-control/537171 "2010-04-24T01:17:04Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![gravitycrash](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/977dab/32.png) [@gravitycrash](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gravitycrash)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2010, 4:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/arizona-is-out-of-control/537171/21 "2010-04-24T04:27:56Z")
Well since the Federal government has their collective heads up their asses and doing next to nothing to stop illegal immigration I would say this is born out of frustration more than anything. ---
**Author:** ![dalej42](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/67e7ee/32.png) [@dalej42](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dalej42)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2010, 4:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/arizona-is-out-of-control/537171/22 "2010-04-24T04:49:38Z")
I hope a Federal court puts a stop to this nonsense as well. Brewer sucked the cock of the extreme right to try to win reelection since she supported the unpopular sales tax which will be voted on next month. I’m guessing her political advisors told her she could sign it and maybe win reelection or she could veto it and be sure to lose and have her successor sign it. Could get interesting though. Some of the reservations could pass similar laws and stop white people and demand to see their papers. ---
**Author:** ![dalej42](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/67e7ee/32.png) [@dalej42](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dalej42)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2010, 4:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/arizona-is-out-of-control/537171/23 "2010-04-24T04:51:07Z")
> [@gravitycrash](#): > > Well since the Federal government has their collective heads up their asses and doing next to nothing to stop illegal immigration I would say this is born out of frustration more than anything. I would say this is born out of the 2010 election season. Kinda like banning, rebanning, rebanning again same sex marriage. ---
**Author:** ![Bosstone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/22d042/32.png) [@Bosstone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosstone)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2010, 4:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/arizona-is-out-of-control/537171/24 "2010-04-24T04:52:41Z")
> [@kaylasdad99](#): > > Well, _that_ should be easy to arrange. > > Go out without your proof of citizenship, and get one of your buddies to drop a dime on ya. Hmm. I wonder if I can arrange for deportation to Colorado. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2010, 4:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/arizona-is-out-of-control/537171/25 "2010-04-24T04:58:21Z")
Nope. Utah, Mississippi, or New Jersey. Take yer pick. ---
**Author:** ![YogSothoth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/8edcca/32.png) [@YogSothoth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/YogSothoth)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2010, 5:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/arizona-is-out-of-control/537171/26 "2010-04-24T05:05:36Z")
> [@gravitycrash](#): > > Well since the Federal government has their collective heads up their asses and doing next to nothing to stop illegal immigration I would say this is born out of frustration more than anything. I don’t like Bush much, or at all, but even I know that he tried to do something about illegal immigration. His own party stopped him because of the whole deal with amnesty. Bush got one thing right: being from a southern state like Texas, he knows you can’t just go and round up millions of people and deport them. Obama has called for similar amnesty, which has become a bad word in the eyes of the racist pricks who support and pushed through this Az. law. So don’t say that the feds haven’t done anything about it. The feds have tried and they were pushed back by the extremist elements in the GOP. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Tooth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c67d28/32.png) [@The\_Tooth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Tooth)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2010, 5:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/arizona-is-out-of-control/537171/27 "2010-04-24T05:31:12Z")
> [@Obsidian](#): > > What _possible_ non-racial “reason to suspect” could they come up with? I’m really wracking my brain here. He ordered pop instead of soda! Get a rope! ---
**Author:** ![NinjaChick](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/71c47a/32.png) [@NinjaChick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NinjaChick)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2010, 6:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/arizona-is-out-of-control/537171/28 "2010-04-24T06:23:31Z")
As a resident of Arizona’s oft-forgotten neighbor, which has an even greater percentage of hispanic/latino residents than Arizona (NM is ~45 hispanic, AZ is ~30%), this is just pissing me off beyond words. It’s _stupid_, it amounts to nothing more than legalized racism, and it’s just _stupid_. > [@Obsidian](#): > > What _possible_ non-racial “reason to suspect” could they come up with? I’m really wracking my brain here. > > Wouldn’t this law effectively require all US-citizen hispanics in the state to carry their “papers” on them all the time to avoid being detained? How is that constitutional? (And if you take them at their word there will be no racial profiling, doesn’t that mean literally everyone in the state of Arizona-- including my lily-white ass when I go visit the Grand Canyon-- needs to carry proof of citizenship?) I don’t know how similar it is in Arizona, but here in NM, there’s any number of ways one could be pegged as “hispanic”. Someone can have a hispanic name but be white as can be, like a former boss of mine, whose Spanish ancestors showed up here sometime in the 1600s, have a hispanic name and look hispanic and actually be of Latin American descent, or have a non-hispanic name and look hispanic (see: New Mexico’s current governor). And of course, at least here in NM, there’s a decent chance that someone will look hispanic-ish and may or may not have a hispanic name - and their ancestors were here _long_ before any Europeans showed up on the scene\*. And I can’t help but suspect that the “Mexican-looking” Mr. Richardson will be much more likely to get hassled than the white Mr. Diaz. \*And good lord, insert irony here if, say, a member of a pueblo gets pulled over and the cop demands proof of citizenship because “he looks hispanic”. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2010, 6:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/arizona-is-out-of-control/537171/29 "2010-04-24T06:50:35Z")
There are excellent and effective means to spot the illegal alien! Behold, _Hardball_, with Big Tweetybird and the redoubtable Congressman Brian Bilbray (R-CACA), Chairman of the Immigration Reform Caucus! > [@](#): > > MATTHEWS: “Like what, like what? Give me a non-ethnic aspect that would tell you to pick up somebody.” > > BILBRAY: “They will look at the kind of dress you wear, there’s different type of attire, there’s different type of…right down to the shoes, right down to the clothes. But mostly by behavior it’s mostly behavior, just as the law enforcement people here in Washington, DC does it based on certain criminal activity there is behavior things that professionals are trained in across the board and this group shouldn’t be exempt from those observations as much as anybody else.”… So, there you have it! Shoes! [http://chattahbox.com/us/2010/04/23/how-to-spot-an-illegal-different-type-of-attire-and-their-shoes/](http://chattahbox.com/us/2010/04/23/how-to-spot-an-illegal-different-type-of-attire-and-their-shoes/) ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2010, 7:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/arizona-is-out-of-control/537171/30 "2010-04-24T07:04:36Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > So, there you have it! Shoes! > [@](#): > > ‘D’you know what that little girl of mine did last Saturday,[’ said Parsons, ‘]when her troop was on a hike out Berkhamsted way? She got two other girls to go with her, slipped off from the hike, and spent the whole afternoon following a strange man. They kept on his tail for two hours, right through the woods, and then, when they got into Amersham, handed him over to the patrols.’ > > ‘What did they do that for?’ said Winston, somewhat taken aback. Parsons went on triumphantly: > > ‘My kid made sure he was some kind of enemy agent – might have been dropped by parachute, for instance. But here’s the point, old boy. What do you think put her on to him in the first place? She spotted he was wearing a funny kind of shoes – said she’d never seen anyone wearing shoes like that before. So the chances were he was a foreigner. Pretty smart for a nipper of seven, eh?’ > > ‘What happened to the man?’ said Winston. > > ‘Ah, that I couldn’t say, of course. But I wouldn’t be altogether surprised if-’ Parsons made the motion of aiming a rifle, and clicked his tongue for the explosion. > > ‘Good,’ said Syme abstractedly, without looking up from his strip of paper. > > ‘Of course we can’t afford to take chances,’ agreed Winston dutifully. > > ‘What I mean to say, there is a war on,’ said Parsons. How much of a problem is illegal immigration, anyway? Seriously, if all illegals currently in the U.S. were declared citizens, what would actually happen? ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2010, 7:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/arizona-is-out-of-control/537171/31 "2010-04-24T07:07:19Z")
If you stuck your head out the window, you could hear the brisk staccato of heads exploding, kind of like popcorn popping the microwave. ---
**Author:** ![OpalCat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/8edcca/32.png) [@OpalCat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/OpalCat)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2010, 7:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/arizona-is-out-of-control/537171/32 "2010-04-24T07:34:10Z")
> [@Frank](#): > > 5th and 6th? While Arizona does not compare to the settlements in California or New Mexico, or even Colorado, Tucson was founded in 1775. Tucson has been around [longer than that, supposedly](http://www.visittucson.org/visitor/about/)… ---
**Author:** ![Isamu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/7c8e57/32.png) [@Isamu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Isamu)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2010, 8:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/arizona-is-out-of-control/537171/33 "2010-04-24T08:15:51Z")
That’s pretty much the same system that is in place in Japan. If you want to shame them (they are capable of feeling shame, right?) let them know that they’ve just graduated to Japan’s level of xenophobia. ---
**Author:** ![Jamaika\_a\_jamaikaiake](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/7993a0/32.png) [@Jamaika\_a\_jamaikaiake](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jamaika_a_jamaikaiake)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2010, 12:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/arizona-is-out-of-control/537171/34 "2010-04-24T12:48:05Z")
> [@NinjaChick](#): > > \*And good lord, insert irony here if, say, a member of a pueblo gets pulled over and the cop demands proof of citizenship because “he looks hispanic”. Sheriff Joe Arpaio of Maricopa County (Phoenix Metro) did immigration raids on Guadalupe, AZ. As [Wikipedia](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guadalupe,_AZ) says: > [@](#): > > Guadalupe was founded around 1900 by Yaqui Indians, who fled their homeland in Sonora to avoid oppression by the Mexican government of Porfirio Diaz. So, it’s already happened. ---
**Author:** ![Oy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/bc8723/32.png) [@Oy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oy)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2010, 1:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/arizona-is-out-of-control/537171/35 "2010-04-24T13:14:07Z")
Bear in mind that these are the same Republicans who are always screaming about too much government interference. As I understand it, the new law actually specifies that people and organizations who do _not_ enforce it strictly are open to legal action; i.e. that a police department that chooses to, say, actually work on crime rather than hassle “suspicious-looking” people can be sued. ---
**Author:** ![Paul\_in\_Qatar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ccd318/32.png) [@Paul\_in\_Qatar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Paul_in_Qatar)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2010, 1:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/arizona-is-out-of-control/537171/36 "2010-04-24T13:32:01Z")
Only one thing to do. The police will have to question everyone they come into contact with as to their immigration status. Elsewise they would be racial profiling. ---
**Author:** ![joebuck20](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/74df32/32.png) [@joebuck20](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/joebuck20)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2010, 2:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/arizona-is-out-of-control/537171/37 "2010-04-24T14:20:12Z")
Like another poster said, I’m actually somewhat in favor of this sort of legislation, but this specific bill is so vague that all it does is create the potential for a police state. Howabout if your neighbor had a beef against you and called the cops claiming that they think you’re an illegal immigrant. Would the cops actually be obligated to investigate something like that? And the RW has the nerve to claim that Obama is going to take their guns away and set up concentration camps. ---
**Author:** ![Richard\_Parker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/35a633/32.png) [@Richard\_Parker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Richard_Parker)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2010, 2:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/arizona-is-out-of-control/537171/38 "2010-04-24T14:22:54Z")
Fortunately, these kind of electioneering stunts are usually not written to avoid unconstitutionality. In fact, it is a bonus if the law is struck down by “activist” courts. Hopefully it will be randomly assigned to a Republican-appointed judge to do the honors, like the intelligent design case in Pennsylvania. ---
**Author:** ![Sitnam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/6a8cbe/32.png) [@Sitnam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sitnam)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2010, 3:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/arizona-is-out-of-control/537171/39 "2010-04-24T15:00:52Z")
> [@Ludovic](#): > > Don’t get me wrong I actually support not only this type of legislation, but this specific legislation – in theory. In practise it will cause a lot of harassment of perfectly legal residents and immigrants. I’m having a hard time understanding why _even in theory_ this is good. ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2010, 3:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/arizona-is-out-of-control/537171/40 "2010-04-24T15:06:55Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > So, there you have it! Shoes! “While questioning the suspect I observed that he appeared to be Caucasian and spoke good English. I then proceeded to notice that the suspect was wearing sabots, and based upon that evidence made the determination that there was probable cause to identify the suspect as Dutch, and immediately placed the suspect in custody…” [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/arizona-is-out-of-control/537171.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/arizona-is-out-of-control/537171.md?page=3)