# Arizona official may keep Obama off the ballot **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [May 19, 2012, 5:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/arizona-official-may-keep-obama-off-the-ballot/622398 "2012-05-19T05:06:21Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2012, 4:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/arizona-official-may-keep-obama-off-the-ballot/622398/61 "2012-05-22T04:22:16Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > That’s not a poll tax. See Crawford v. Marion County. Based on your responses in [this old GD thread of mine from 2008,](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=489075) **Bricker,** especially [this incredibly fatuous and dishonest post,](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=10346755&postcount=4) one is tempted to suspect you of not having all that much of a **problem** with the idea of poll taxes as such. ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2012, 4:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/arizona-official-may-keep-obama-off-the-ballot/622398/62 "2012-05-22T04:39:31Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > Based on your responses in [this old GD thread of mine from 2008,](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=489075) **Bricker,** especially [this incredibly fatuous and dishonest post,](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=10346755&postcount=4) one is tempted to suspect you of not having all that much of a **problem** with the idea of poll taxes as such. You aren’t posting in the Pit. Accusations of dishonesty aren’t kosher here. Thanks, RickJay Moderator ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2012, 4:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/arizona-official-may-keep-obama-off-the-ballot/622398/63 "2012-05-22T04:47:27Z")
> [@RickJay](#): > > You aren’t posting in the Pit. Accusations of dishonesty aren’t kosher here. > > Thanks, > > RickJay > Moderator Accepted and noted. (I’ve always had objections to the [GD rule](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=448632) on that point, though, and think one should be able to call a **post** dishonest.) ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2012, 4:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/arizona-official-may-keep-obama-off-the-ballot/622398/64 "2012-05-22T04:52:39Z")
But, then, I have objections to some of the **Pit** rules. Frustrating. :o ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2012, 6:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/arizona-official-may-keep-obama-off-the-ballot/622398/65 "2012-05-22T06:04:21Z")
[Maricopa County deputies in Hawaii seeking Obama’s birth certificate.](http://www.staradvertiser.com/news/breaking/152395115.html?id=152395115) It just keeps on giving . . . > [@](#): > > A Hawaii deputy attorney general gave the men information concerning the legal requirements to obtain such a document; the requirements are posted on the Health Department’s website. The two men then left the office, Health Department spokeswoman Janice Okubo said. > > The two men showed Maricopa County Sheriff’s Office badges and identified themselves as Michael Zullo and Brian Mackiewcz, Okubo said. They are “authorized by the Sheriff of Maricopa County, who is conducting an official investigation,” a spokesman for the sheriff’s office said in an email. > > Maricopa County Sheriff Joe Arpaio has been researching Obama’s residency status using a volunteer cold-case “posse,” but now has employed a taxpayer-funded deputy, The Arizona Republic reported Monday. > > Zullo is a volunteer, the Republic reported, but Okubo said that Mackiewicz presented a business card showing he is with the Threats Management Unit of the sheriff’s office. “Threats Management Unit” . . . strangely ambiguous . . . ---
**Author:** ![scabpicker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/scabpicker/32/8268_2.png) [@scabpicker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/scabpicker)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2012, 6:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/arizona-official-may-keep-obama-off-the-ballot/622398/66 "2012-05-22T06:41:48Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > “Threats Management Unit” . . . strangely ambiguous . . . Hmm, seems appropriate: [QUOTE= the Wikipedia entry on Threat Management Unit] a Threat Management Unit is a police department team that handles cases of harassment or stalking. [/QUOTE] Sounds like the MCSO is making sure their harassment and stalking needs are met. ---
**Author:** ![DianaG](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/7ab992/32.png) [@DianaG](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DianaG)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2012, 11:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/arizona-official-may-keep-obama-off-the-ballot/622398/67 "2012-05-22T11:02:44Z")
Sounds to me like this is all a scam to finance Hawaiian vacations for his friends. ---
**Author:** ![Zakalwe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zakalwe/32/270_2.png) [@Zakalwe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zakalwe)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2012, 11:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/arizona-official-may-keep-obama-off-the-ballot/622398/68 "2012-05-22T11:13:34Z")
Hmmm…I wonder how quickly I could join Arpaio’s posse and become an “investigator”? I could use a Hawaiian vacation. On preview: Dammit, DianaG! ---
**Author:** ![Cheesesteak](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cheesesteak/32/3694_2.png) [@Cheesesteak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cheesesteak)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2012, 11:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/arizona-official-may-keep-obama-off-the-ballot/622398/69 "2012-05-22T11:59:58Z")
Hm… > [@](#): > > “At the request of a constituent, I asked the state of Hawaii for a **verification** in lieu of certified copy,” he said. “We’re merely asking them to officially confirm they have the president’s birth certificate in their possession and are awaiting their response.” > > He went on to explain that he had been trying for eight weeks to **verify** Obama’s certificate and was surprised by how challenging it has been to get a response from Hawaii officials. [Link #1 (pdf)](http://hawaii.gov/health/about/pr/2008/08-93.pdf) > [@](#): > > “Therefore, I as Director of Health for the State of Hawai‘i, along with the Registrar of Vital > Statistics who has statutory authority to oversee and maintain these type of vital records, have > personally seen and **verified** that the Hawai‘i State Department of Health has Sen. Obama’s > original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures. [link#2 (pdf)](http://hawaii.gov/health/about/pr/2009/09-063.pdf) > [@](#): > > “I, Dr. Chiyome Fukino, Director of the Hawai‛i State Department of Health, have seen the original vital > records maintained on file by the Hawai‘i State Department of Health **verifying** Barack Hussein Obama > was born in Hawai‘i and is a natural-born American citizen. 8 weeks? This took me 5 minutes. ---
**Author:** ![CalMeacham](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/calmeacham/32/35_2.png) [@CalMeacham](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CalMeacham)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2012, 12:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/arizona-official-may-keep-obama-off-the-ballot/622398/70 "2012-05-22T12:13:11Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > Must be the heat. 'Taint the heat – itr’s the stupidity. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2012, 1:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/arizona-official-may-keep-obama-off-the-ballot/622398/71 "2012-05-22T13:37:41Z")
> [@CalMeacham](#): > > 'Taint the heat – itr’s the stupidity. 😃 Well played, sir. ---
**Author:** ![Jenaroph](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/e8c25b/32.png) [@Jenaroph](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jenaroph)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2012, 1:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/arizona-official-may-keep-obama-off-the-ballot/622398/72 "2012-05-22T13:55:25Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > [Maricopa County deputies in Hawaii seeking Obama’s birth certificate.](http://www.staradvertiser.com/news/breaking/152395115.html?id=152395115) > > It just keeps on giving . . . Does this get tacked onto charges of misuse of public funds? ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2012, 2:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/arizona-official-may-keep-obama-off-the-ballot/622398/73 "2012-05-22T14:28:14Z")
> [@Jenaroph](#): > > Does this get tacked onto charges of misuse of public funds? Not one of the things Arpaio is being sued for, AFAIK . . . Arizona AG, get on it! ---
**Author:** ![Ca3799](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/9f8e36/32.png) [@Ca3799](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ca3799)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2012, 3:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/arizona-official-may-keep-obama-off-the-ballot/622398/74 "2012-05-22T15:17:13Z")
So what about this Romney character? I understand his gramps moved to Mexico to practice polygamy, that Romney’s dad was born in Mexico (was he a polygamist, too?) and that Romney himself was born in Detroit…which is only one mile from Canada! Is Romney himself a ‘natural born citizen’? Why won’t he prove it? What is he hiding? Will Arizona investigate this very important question, too? We could write the Arizona Secretary of State here and ask him to do so: [http://www.azsos.gov/info/contact\_us.htm](http://www.azsos.gov/info/contact_us.htm) ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2012, 4:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/arizona-official-may-keep-obama-off-the-ballot/622398/75 "2012-05-22T16:54:16Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > Well, not that it justifies the MCSO’s insanely disproportionate reaction here, but I can understand their going ballistic over it. Cops do **not** want their home addresses published anywhere ever, for obvious reasons – anybody you ever arrested could find out where to find you, and your family. And in Arpaio’s case, he would have to have a 'round-the-clock detail guarding his house to prevent assassination. Peace officer exemption statutes typically exclude the personal information of elected officials, since the public has a greater interest in disclosure. So Arizona Statutes §39-123 may not apply to Arpaio, just his deputies. ---
**Author:** ![Muffin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muffin/32/4341_2.png) [@Muffin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Muffin)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2012, 6:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/arizona-official-may-keep-obama-off-the-ballot/622398/76 "2012-05-22T18:09:16Z")
And apparently the gub’m’nt already had his address posted on the net. ---
**Author:** ![yanceylebeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/yanceylebeef/32/12290_2.png) [@yanceylebeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/yanceylebeef)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2012, 7:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/arizona-official-may-keep-obama-off-the-ballot/622398/77 "2012-05-22T19:49:43Z")
Has anyone mentioned that this Bennett Guy is [Co-chair of Romney’s](http://maddowblog.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/05/22/11808930-birther-curious-bennett-playing-games-in-arizona?lite) re-election campaign in Arizona? Because that seems like a pretty big deal. ---
**Author:** ![Cheesesteak](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cheesesteak/32/3694_2.png) [@Cheesesteak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cheesesteak)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2012, 10:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/arizona-official-may-keep-obama-off-the-ballot/622398/78 "2012-05-23T10:03:48Z")
Thank goodness this issue has been [settled.](http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/hawaii-verifies-president-obama-birth-records-arizona-elections-chief-ken-bennett-article-1.1083039) At least until Bennett claims that the verification isn’t good enough. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Tao\_s\_Revenge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/73ab20/32.png) [@The\_Tao\_s\_Revenge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Tao_s_Revenge)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2012, 11:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/arizona-official-may-keep-obama-off-the-ballot/622398/79 "2012-05-23T11:37:14Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > That’s not a poll tax. See Crawford v. Marion County. Would this be the same body that okayed Japanese Concentration camps during WWII? The same body that okayed rounding up innocent people and holding them prisoner because of their race? ITT: **Bricker** supports bigoted ethnic cleansing, or demonstrates spineless hypocrisy. Either bigoted ethnic cleansing is okay, or the Supreme Court is capable of being wrong. Cite: United States v. Thind (Ethnic cleansing Americans of Japanese decent) > **[These Are the 10 Most Racist Supreme Court Rulings in US History](https://www.thoughtco.com/racist-supreme-court-rulings-721615)** > > In the short history of America, there have been many racist rulings. Here are 10 of the most racist Supreme Court rulings, in chronological order. ---
**Author:** ![Lightnin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lightnin/32/180_2.png) [@Lightnin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lightnin)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2012, 12:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/arizona-official-may-keep-obama-off-the-ballot/622398/80 "2012-05-23T12:48:18Z")
> [@Cheesesteak](#): > > Thank goodness this issue has been [settled.](http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/hawaii-verifies-president-obama-birth-records-arizona-elections-chief-ken-bennett-article-1.1083039) At least until Bennett claims that the verification isn’t good enough. They’ve already started that on the Hannity forums. Hell, they’ve all but admitted that there’s absolutely no evidence for Obama’s citizenship which would be acceptable. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/arizona-official-may-keep-obama-off-the-ballot/622398.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/arizona-official-may-keep-obama-off-the-ballot/622398.md?page=5)