Nice touch, there, Czarc! That little bit of spin at the end, there, insinuating that my concerns with justice are no more solid than the flighty infatuation of a teenage girl on Justin Bieber! Nicely done!
This sort of thing is exactly why I wish we actually had a debates forum instead of a hostile arguments forum.
Well, that, and my blood pressure would be a lot lower.
So do any Dems want to address this articlethat claims many illegal immigrants are voting? Should voters have to prove citizenship to vote (which was struck down). Do you think there are more illegal immigrants voting Dem than poor Dems that cannot get ID (not don’t have ID, but couldn’t get ID even if they wanted to).
The idea a bunch of itinerant workers working and living under the table are conspiring to vote in large numbers is laughable, pure right wing nonsense.
But technically non-citizens who have lived in the same place and have children and a house and are active in the community, what is the exact problem if a couple are slipping under the radar?
The problem is that this is voter fraud and illegal and provides a voice in our government to people who aren’t entitled to one. Was this a trick question?
How far are you willing to go to stop it? What amount of non-citizens slipping under the radar would not be worth it?
I don’t care if it happens, and am not willing to cause a total disaster at the polls demanding everyone prove their citizenship(a birth certificate means nothing, US citizens are born all over the world and what if someone renounced their US citizenship and is still voting using the BC?) as to me it amounts to killing flies with a shotgun.
So what do you think should be the barest minimum when it comes to making sure that the person voting is a U.S. citizen?
According to the US state department the commonest accepted proof is a US passport, there are also more obscure forms that also prove this probably no one outside an embassy would recognize.
Do any states currently ask for proof of citizenship?
As for my own opinion I don’t know.
You don’t know your own opinion? Bull.
- Do you think that the right to vote in the U.S. should be for citizens only? Yes or No.
- If Yes, what(in your personal opinion) should be the minimum requirement to show that you are a U.S. citizen when it comes time to vote?
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YES emphatically.
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I don’t know, and would hesitate in requiring something like a passport because of the mayhem it would cause for US citizens. If you had a magic citizen diving rod that was infallible great use it, if you need a piece of documentation most poor people don’t have no way. I mean look at what a mess requiring state ID has been, confirming citizenship:eek:
I don’t recall bringing up passports, so I have no idea why you keep doing so-are any of the states currently asking for them at polling places? Also, where is your documentation that most poor people have no way to get documentation? Even if you are mixing in non-citizens, I doubt very much that this is true. More reality-less reality television, please.
As a foreigner, I really don’t understand this. Is acquiring a passport really that big of a problem?
For a voter who has trouble acquiring a state ID? Yea probably, it costs $100 USD right off the bat and then there is the effort in getting it.
So’s as to keep this somewhat on topic (AZ Voting), why yes, yes AZ does require proof of citicanship to register to vote:
Proof of Citizenship Requirement
If this is your first time registering to vote in Arizona or you have moved to another county in Arizona, your voter registration form must also include proof of citizenship or the form will be rejected. If you have an Arizona driver license or non-operating identification issued after October 1, 1996, write the number in box 9 on the front of the Arizona Voter Registration form. This will serve as proof of citizenship and no additional documents are needed. If not, you must attach proof of citizenship to the form. Only one acceptable form of proof is needed to register to vote.
The following is a list of acceptable documents to establish your citizenship:
• A legible photocopy of a birth certificate that verifies citizenship and supporting legal documentation (i.e. marriage certificate) if the name on the birth certificate is not the same as your current legal name
• A legible photocopy of the pertinent pages of your passport
• Presentation to the County Recorder of U.S. naturalization documents
or fill in your Alien Registration Number in box 11
• Your Indian Census Number, Bureau of Indian Affairs Card Number, Tribal Treaty Card Number, or Tribal Enrollment Number in box 10
• A legible photocopy of your Tribal Certificate of Indian Blood or Tribal or Bureau of Indian Affairs Affidavit of Birth.
Assisting the old, poor, etc in getting picture IDs. They help them get to the polls once or twice a year… same thing.
You asked how to prove someone is a citizen at the poll, I said the only way is a US passport. Anything less proves nothing.
I’m all for keeping current standards.
It only takes one.
Why is the vote you are trying to gain more important than mine?
Did you read post #114, and if so, are those standards too high for you?
By the way, I didn’t ask for any sort of absolute “proof”-I asked what your minimum standards would be to let someone vote.
Two different procedures:
you provide documentation of your citizenship when you register to vote,
you provide documentation of your identity as a registered voter at the poll location.
Birth certificate along with drivers license or other photo ID would satisfy me.