# Armed raid into Syria **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [October 27, 2008, 1:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/armed-raid-into-syria/469755 "2008-10-27T13:48:08Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2008, 1:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/armed-raid-into-syria/469755/41 "2008-10-29T13:13:20Z")
> [@glee](#): > > Right up to the last minute before invasion, if Saddam had let UN inspectors back in, the war would have been called off. Somehow I doubt it. ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2008, 1:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/armed-raid-into-syria/469755/42 "2008-10-29T13:46:07Z")
Given that the Bush administration was calling the inspectors who had been there, hadn’t found anything, and were very doubtful that there actually WAS anything to find (Hans Blix, for one) liars, I doubt it, too. ---
**Author:** ![gonzomax](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e8c25b/32.png) [@gonzomax](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzomax)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2008, 2:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/armed-raid-into-syria/469755/43 "2008-10-29T14:13:32Z")
Attacking Syria is likely to get Syrians who hate us to attack the US in Iraq. It will create a larger pool of enemies. Going into Pakistan will add to our woes too. We keep creating more enemies. Good plan. ---
**Author:** ![tagos](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/bbe5ce/32.png) [@tagos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tagos)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2008, 2:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/armed-raid-into-syria/469755/44 "2008-10-29T14:19:33Z")
> [@gonzomax](#): > > Attacking Syria is likely to get Syrians who hate us to attack the US in Iraq. It will create a larger pool of enemies. Going into Pakistan will add to our woes too. We keep creating more enemies. Good plan. Absolutely. If the only alternative to doing nothing about a problem is to do something that will make things worse then doing nothing is the correct thing to do. Actions like this just sow dragon’s teeth. Whether or not civilians were actually killed people will believe they were. ---
**Author:** ![Markxxx](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/5daacb/32.png) [@Markxxx](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Markxxx)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2008, 6:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/armed-raid-into-syria/469755/45 "2008-10-29T18:42:13Z")
International law clearly says every nation MUST STOP any groups from using their territory as a base for attacks. If Syria is allowing ANYONE to use it’s territory it is in violation of international law. Did Syria do this? Yes International law clearly says if a nation can’t control it’s own borders the effected nation has a right to go into that nation and put a stop to the attacks. This was one of the reason Austria-Hungary invaded Serbia starting WWI, as Serbia was allowing people to use its territory for raids into Austria-Hungary ---
**Author:** ![gonzomax](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e8c25b/32.png) [@gonzomax](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzomax)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2008, 6:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/armed-raid-into-syria/469755/46 "2008-10-29T18:48:34Z")
Don’t we have to prove Sryia is allowing it? We have no credibility. If the government is not complicit ,then a foreign government has invaded their territory. There are proper channels for such stuff. ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2008, 6:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/armed-raid-into-syria/469755/47 "2008-10-29T18:52:01Z")
> [@LouisB](#): > > And I’ve seen no really compelling evidence that the holy and sacred SURGE is or has done what was promised; I think it was applied very strategically and that it worked in a very small geographic area and that some people, especially GWB, saw its marginal success as reason enough to say, “See, I told you so.” But the SURGE isn’t going to hand us victory in Iraq simply because there is no victory to be had. and your reasoning behind Obama changing his position on troop withdrawal? ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2008, 6:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/armed-raid-into-syria/469755/48 "2008-10-29T18:58:35Z")
> [@](#): > > The Iraqi government Tuesday condemned a U.S. helicopter assault inside Syria over the weekend as Damascus shut down an American school and cultural center in reaction to the raid… > **[Iraq decries U.S. raid on Syria village](https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-2008-oct-29-fg-iraq29-story.html)** > > The Cabinet also OKs changes to a proposed security deal, including the right to prosecute American soldiers. Uh oh. Say, did anyone remember to get the permission of the sovereign government of Iraq to use its soil for an attack on a neighboring country? Minor point, I’m sure, but still, its nice to dot all the "I"s and cross the "T"s, don’t you think? [QUOTE=Markxxx] …International law clearly says every nation MUST STOP any groups from using their territory as a base for attacks. If Syria is allowing ANYONE to use it’s territory it is in violation of international law… [/QUOTE] International law applies to\* them\*. We are exempt from such tiresome vexations. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2008, 6:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/armed-raid-into-syria/469755/49 "2008-10-29T18:59:35Z")
> [@Markxxx](#): > > International law clearly says every nation MUST STOP any groups from using their territory as a base for attacks. If Syria is allowing ANYONE to use it’s territory it is in violation of international law. > > Did Syria do this? Yes According to who ? And don’t say “America”; America’s word is worthless. > [@Markxxx](#): > > International law clearly says if a nation can’t control it’s own borders the effected nation has a right to go into that nation and put a stop to the attacks. > > This was one of the reason Austria-Hungary invaded Serbia starting WWI, as Serbia was allowing people to use its territory for raids into Austria-Hungary And that worked out SO WELL for Austria-Hungary. > [@Magiver](#): > > and your reasoning behind Obama changing his position on troop withdrawal? He’s a standard weaselly politician who says what will get him elected. Which still makes him better than a Republican; almost anything is better than that. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2008, 7:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/armed-raid-into-syria/469755/50 "2008-10-29T19:02:49Z")
> [@Magiver](#): > > and your reasoning behind Obama changing his position on troop withdrawal? Obama’s position on troop withdrawal doesn’t mean shit to a tree. The only position that matters any more is the Iraqi Gov position, and that is increasingly “Here’s your hat, there’s the door, hello, you must be going”. Still, nice try. ---
**Author:** ![Sinaijon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/dc4da7/32.png) [@Sinaijon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sinaijon)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2008, 7:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/armed-raid-into-syria/469755/51 "2008-10-29T19:11:43Z")
> [@Magiver](#): > > Would you vote for a candidate who says he/she will pursue terrorists across borders? You don’t actually think he’ll answer that, do you? 😛 ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2008, 7:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/armed-raid-into-syria/469755/52 "2008-10-29T19:52:25Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > Obama’s position on troop withdrawal doesn’t mean shit to a tree. Wow. Don’t even need to comment on that one. Aw what the hell… Do you actually read what you write or do you think spell check corrects content as well? ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2008, 8:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/armed-raid-into-syria/469755/53 "2008-10-29T20:19:16Z")
If you have trouble understanding, all you need do is ask. Bless your heart, we’re here to help. ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2008, 8:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/armed-raid-into-syria/469755/54 "2008-10-29T20:23:51Z")
😛 > [@elucidator](#): > > If you have trouble understanding, all you need do is ask. Bless your heart, we’re here to help. The only help for some is professional. The right-wing is going to be a bleating flock of sheep for the next long while, 'luci, repeating the talking points they’re fed. Don’t work too hard trying to do the impossible. ---
**Author:** ![mks57](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b9bd4f/32.png) [@mks57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mks57)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2008, 8:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/armed-raid-into-syria/469755/55 "2008-10-29T20:26:30Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > If you have trouble understanding, all you need do is ask. Bless your heart, we’re here to help. Around here, we live in the real world. ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2008, 8:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/armed-raid-into-syria/469755/56 "2008-10-29T20:26:40Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > If you have trouble understanding, all you need do is ask. Bless your heart, we’re here to help. Well we know spell check works. “Obama’s position on troop withdrawal doesn’t mean shit to a tree.” That makes me laugh every time I read it. You should make that part of your signature. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2008, 8:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/armed-raid-into-syria/469755/57 "2008-10-29T20:26:50Z")
Outreach, **JayJay** , outreach. Or reach around. Depending on circumstances. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2008, 9:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/armed-raid-into-syria/469755/58 "2008-10-29T21:25:00Z")
> [@Magiver](#): > > Then the surge worked . . . [Bullshit.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=10227122) ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2008, 5:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/armed-raid-into-syria/469755/59 "2008-10-30T05:11:12Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > [Bullshit.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=10227122) So why did Obama change his mind? ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2008, 7:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/armed-raid-into-syria/469755/60 "2008-10-30T07:38:16Z")
Youi skipped the part where you demonstrate that he \*did \*change his mind. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/armed-raid-into-syria/469755.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/armed-raid-into-syria/469755.md?page=4)