# Armed raid into Syria **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [October 27, 2008, 1:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/armed-raid-into-syria/469755 "2008-10-27T13:48:08Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 11\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2008, 6:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/armed-raid-into-syria/469755/81 "2008-10-30T18:44:00Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > Youi skipped the part where you demonstrate that he \*did \*change his mind. You’re not aware of his proposal to pull the troops out in 2008? ---
**Author:** ![Rapier42](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/90db22/32.png) [@Rapier42](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rapier42)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2008, 6:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/armed-raid-into-syria/469755/82 "2008-10-30T18:46:48Z")
> [@The\_Tao\_s\_Revenge](#): > > So after the Bay of Pigs Cuba took out a condo development in Florida, and possibly killed three innocent American kids. Would that be kosher? I get the feeling that you’re engaging in rhetoric, rather than soliciting a serious answer. But I’ll bite. Grant that Castro had compelling evidence that said condo development was materially involved in an ongoing threat to Cuba, and of course it’d be kosher. And the killing of three innocent American kids would be tragic, and it’d be our fault for allowing them anywhere near where we were conducting military operations. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Tao\_s\_Revenge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/73ab20/32.png) [@The\_Tao\_s\_Revenge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Tao_s_Revenge)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2008, 6:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/armed-raid-into-syria/469755/83 "2008-10-30T18:56:37Z")
> [@Rapier42](#): > > I get the feeling that you’re engaging in rhetoric, rather than soliciting a serious answer. But I’ll bite. > > Grant that Castro had compelling evidence that said condo development was materially involved in an ongoing threat to Cuba, and of course it’d be kosher. And the killing of three innocent American kids would be tragic, and it’d be our fault for allowing them anywhere near where we were conducting military operations. Well your answer is fair and I appreciate it. I don’t believe the US government would take an “oops our fault” response to it though. ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2008, 7:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/armed-raid-into-syria/469755/84 "2008-10-30T19:03:19Z")
> [@Magiver](#): > > You’re not aware of his proposal to pull the troops out in 2008? His original proposal was to pull the troops out in Spring 2008. He made that proposal in January 2007. ([http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/01/30/AR2007013001275.html](http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/01/30/AR2007013001275.html)) Since it is a phased pull-out, and it hasn’t started yet, doesn’t that suggest that he’ll have to wait 'till he’s president to begin the roll-up? ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2008, 7:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/armed-raid-into-syria/469755/85 "2008-10-30T19:50:03Z")
As if it matters: [http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081030/ap\_on\_re\_mi\_ea/ml\_iraq](http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081030/ap_on_re_mi_ea/ml_iraq) **Iraq wants all US troops gone by end of 2011** > [@](#): > > Iraq wants to eliminate any chance U.S. forces will stay here after 2011 under a proposed security pact and to expand Iraqi legal jurisdiction over U.S. troops until then, a close ally of the prime minister said Thursday. > > Those demands, which were presented to U.S. officials this week, could derail the deal — delivering a diplomatic blow to Washington in the final weeks of the Bush administration… Doesn’t matter what Obama wants, doesn’t matter what McCain wants. Doesn’t mean shit to a tree. Here’s your hat, there’s the door, hello, you must be going. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2008, 8:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/armed-raid-into-syria/469755/86 "2008-10-30T20:42:39Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > As if it matters: > > [http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081030/ap\_on\_re\_mi\_ea/ml\_iraq](http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081030/ap_on_re_mi_ea/ml_iraq) > > **Iraq wants all US troops gone by end of 2011** > > Doesn’t matter what Obama wants, doesn’t matter what McCain wants. Yes, it does matter. They aren’t a sovereign country; they are a conquered colony of America. Obama **might** choose to leave, but the Iraqis have no say in the matter. ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2008, 9:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/armed-raid-into-syria/469755/87 "2008-10-30T21:04:26Z")
> [@The\_Tao\_s\_Revenge](#): > > Well your answer is fair and I appreciate it. > > I don’t believe the US government would take an “oops our fault” response to it though. Well, yeah. Just because something isn’t in violation of the Rules of War doesn’t mean one has to be happy about it. ---
**Author:** ![LouisB](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/dfb087/32.png) [@LouisB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LouisB)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2008, 9:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/armed-raid-into-syria/469755/88 "2008-10-30T21:28:03Z")
> [@](#): > > Originally posted by Magiver: > So why did Obama change his mind? Maybe he is smart enough to learn as situations change instead of closing his mind, eyes, and ears. Maybe he is flexible enough to handle new situations. Who the hell knows if and why he changed his mind. Why is this question burning you the way it is? Obama changed his mind, oh dear. I change my mind about some things quite often. Do you? Or are you content to just spout the same mindless drivel for the remainder of your life? ---
**Author:** ![Rapier42](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/90db22/32.png) [@Rapier42](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rapier42)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2008, 10:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/armed-raid-into-syria/469755/89 "2008-10-30T22:41:27Z")
> [@The\_Tao\_s\_Revenge](#): > > Well your answer is fair and I appreciate it. > > I don’t believe the US government would take an “oops our fault” response to it though. Probably not, no. But that wouldn’t make those kids death any less “our” fault, IMO. I guess what I’m saying is, if there are folks using Syrian farmhouses to stage fighter-smuggling into Iraq, I think it’s their fault if there were civilian casualties. US troops certainly share some of the responsibility, but it can’t see it being our soldiers fault. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Flying\_Dutchman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/9fc348/32.png) [@The\_Flying\_Dutchman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Flying_Dutchman)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2008, 10:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/armed-raid-into-syria/469755/90 "2008-10-30T22:43:07Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > As if it matters: > > [http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081030/ap\_on\_re\_mi\_ea/ml\_iraq](http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081030/ap_on_re_mi_ea/ml_iraq) > > **Iraq wants all US troops gone by end of 2011** > > Doesn’t matter what Obama wants, doesn’t matter what McCain wants. Doesn’t mean shit to a tree. Here’s your hat, there’s the door, hello, you must be going. This is great news. A wonderful opening to get the hell out now. No way can the US allow any Iraqi jurisdiction over American personnel associated with the US military. Any sense of American responsibility is over. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Tao\_s\_Revenge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/73ab20/32.png) [@The\_Tao\_s\_Revenge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Tao_s_Revenge)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2008, 10:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/armed-raid-into-syria/469755/91 "2008-10-30T22:51:23Z")
> [@Rapier42](#): > > Probably not, no. But that wouldn’t make those kids death any less “our” fault, IMO. > > I guess what I’m saying is, if there are folks using Syrian farmhouses to stage fighter-smuggling into Iraq, I think it’s their fault if there were civilian casualties. US troops certainly share some of the responsibility, but it can’t see it being our soldiers fault. True that. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/armed-raid-into-syria/469755.md?page=4)