# Arnie in Robert Mapplethorpe Nudie Photos! **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [September 24, 2003, 1:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/arnie-in-robert-mapplethorpe-nudie-photos/203445 "2003-09-24T01:26:31Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Tars\_Tarkas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/6a8cbe/32.png) [@Tars\_Tarkas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tars_Tarkas)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2003, 8:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/arnie-in-robert-mapplethorpe-nudie-photos/203445/61 "2003-09-24T20:29:59Z")
This thread has more posts accusing people of being mind readers than any thread i’ve seen! ---
**Author:** ![wring](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/838e76/32.png) [@wring](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wring)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2003, 8:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/arnie-in-robert-mapplethorpe-nudie-photos/203445/62 "2003-09-24T20:36:36Z")
and just how do you know that??? are you a mind reader too??? ---
**Author:** ![NotMrKnowItAll](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/6bbea6/32.png) [@NotMrKnowItAll](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NotMrKnowItAll)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2003, 8:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/arnie-in-robert-mapplethorpe-nudie-photos/203445/63 "2003-09-24T20:38:16Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Tars Tarkas \* > \*\*This thread has more posts accusing people of being mind readers than any thread i’ve seen! \*\* I was just about to say that. You must have been reading my mind! ---
**Author:** ![gobear](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/8dc957/32.png) [@gobear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gobear)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2003, 8:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/arnie-in-robert-mapplethorpe-nudie-photos/203445/64 "2003-09-24T20:39:26Z")
[QUOTE] \*Originally posted by Shodan \* \*\*And neither did any of the Republicans condemn Arnie, so your accusation of hypocrisy against Republicans is spurious as well. > [@](#): > > Well, no, they didn’t condemn Arnie–that’s the point. The Pubbies have wholeheartedly embraced him despite a record of sexual behavior that would get him lynched if he were a Democrat. > > > [@](#): > > > > Unless you have mind-reading abilities that allow you to determine that the California GOP is really thinking that “people who pose nude should never run for governor” and then changing their mind when it applies to Republicans. > > Well, when the Pubbies support a candidate who has confessed to gangbanging women in a gym, who has been accused of repeated acts of sexual harrassment, and who posed nude for gay photographers, but impeach a president for havoing consensual (albeit adulterous and inappropriate) relations with a woman, then yes, the California GOP are a pack of hypocrites. > > Don’t expect me or anyone else to take their sanctimonious lectures on “family values” seriously ever again. > > And do bear in mind that I am no supporter of liberals; it’s just that I find both the Democrats and the GOP to be equally loathsome groups. > > \*\* ---
**Author:** ![Tars\_Tarkas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/6a8cbe/32.png) [@Tars\_Tarkas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tars_Tarkas)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2003, 8:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/arnie-in-robert-mapplethorpe-nudie-photos/203445/65 "2003-09-24T20:46:33Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by wring \* > \*\*and just how do you know that??? are you a mind reader too??? \*\* I’m reading your mind right now! and—:eek: OMG! The whole coconut? > [@](#): > > - NotMrKnowItAll \* > I was just about to say that. You must have been reading my mind! How do you know it wasn’t just you reading my mind reading your mind reading my mind that i read? Or is that what you just want me to think? (after reading your mind again, yes, yes it is!) ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2003, 8:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/arnie-in-robert-mapplethorpe-nudie-photos/203445/66 "2003-09-24T20:48:51Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Shodan \* > \*\*And neither did any of the Republicans condemn Arnie, so your accusation of hypocrisy against Republicans is spurious as well. > > Unless you have mind-reading abilities that allow you to determine that the California GOP is really thinking that “people who pose nude should never run for governor” and then changing their mind when it applies to Republicans. > > Or else you are simply accusing us of doing something we haven’t done (but you wish we would). > > Regards, > Shodan \*\* Who said Republicans _were_ condemning Arnie? And how would that be hypocritical anyway? The hypocrisy is that the GOP is now supporting someone who has a history of behavior that is typically condemned as profligate by moralistic conservatives (pot smoking, sexual promiscuity, posing for dirty pictures). If Reublicans were to now _condemn_ Arnie they would be showing _conistency_, not hypocrisy. Let me reiterate, though, that us liberals don’t think there’s a damn thing wrong with Arnie’s past escapades. We just think it’s highly entertaining to watch the GOP have to support him. ---
**Author:** ![tiny\_ham](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/a183cd/32.png) [@tiny\_ham](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tiny_ham)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2003, 8:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/arnie-in-robert-mapplethorpe-nudie-photos/203445/67 "2003-09-24T20:56:36Z")
Careful, all of this mind reading is going to slow down our mind hamsters. I haven’t been able to load up my knowledge of the alphabet for ten minutes. ---
**Author:** ![NotMrKnowItAll](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/6bbea6/32.png) [@NotMrKnowItAll](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NotMrKnowItAll)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2003, 8:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/arnie-in-robert-mapplethorpe-nudie-photos/203445/68 "2003-09-24T20:57:52Z")
Arnie: I am a Republican. Indigo Montoya: You keep using that word, I do not think it means what you think it means ---
**Author:** ![NotMrKnowItAll](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/6bbea6/32.png) [@NotMrKnowItAll](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NotMrKnowItAll)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2003, 9:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/arnie-in-robert-mapplethorpe-nudie-photos/203445/69 "2003-09-24T21:00:55Z")
Inigo Inigo, I knew that… Damn. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2003, 9:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/arnie-in-robert-mapplethorpe-nudie-photos/203445/70 "2003-09-24T21:06:24Z")
> [@](#): > > Ummm, I don’t really think the issue with Arnie is one of morals. Nude pictures? Morals? I don’t fucking think so. Whereas Clinton showed his flawed moral character when engaging in sex outside his marriage - and definitely with women subordinate to him. Those acts were certainly both morally and ethically lacking. So, your argument about morality has not a damned thing to do with this. Sex outside of marriage is immoral _why_? Because you say so? If his wife doesn’t care, why do you care? ---
**Author:** ![mhendo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mhendo/32/3159_2.png) [@mhendo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mhendo)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2003, 9:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/arnie-in-robert-mapplethorpe-nudie-photos/203445/71 "2003-09-24T21:07:44Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by UncleBeer \* > **Ummm, I don’t really think the issue with Arnie is one of morals. Nude pictures? _Morals?_ I don’t fucking think so. Whereas Clinton showed his flawed moral character when engaging in sex outside his marriage - and definitely with women subordinate to him. Those acts were certainly both morally and ethically lacking. So, your argument about morality has not a damned thing to do with this.** Well, firstly, you might wanna tell the loony Christian right, many of whom were such big critics of Clinton and are such big supporters of the GOP, that morality has nothing to do with nude pictures. I’m sure they’d be rather surprised to hear it. Secondly, you seem to be making the common and idiotic assumption, about **elucidator** in particular and about liberals and leftists in general, that anyone who criticizes a Republican must _ipso facto_ be a huge fan of Bill Clinton. I, like many leftists on this board and in American society, was strongly opposed to many of Clinton’s policies, as well as to his outrageous abuse of his position in having sex with his subordinates. So can we please put that old canard to bed, once and for all? > [@](#): > > \*\*Yes, I remember. You told me my interpretation was wrong. Quite emphatically so. This means you believe you know the correct interpretation and thought yourself qualified to make that judgement. Thus, you have somehow divined the true intent of the OP from statements that I _admitted_ might have a meaning different than that which I initially applied to it. Now, what were you saying about drawing conclusions again? \*\* Give me a break. My assertion about your own statement was no more or less emphatic than your own assertion about the OP. The fact that it was emphatic makes it no more or less of an interpretation than your own assertion. Why are you allowed to interpret the OP, but want me to wait for more information before interpreting your interpretation? And you claim that you admitted that the OP’s intent might be different; this is true, but you’re being a bit cute. You never made such an admission _until_ people called you on your original unfounded allegation, which was, if you will recall: > [@](#): > > Ah, I see. Clinton’s little escapades with his female employees and others is properly none of the people’s business. But pictures of Schwarzenegger’s dick are indications of his suitabilty for public office. I call TLH on this one - Transparent Liberal Hypocrisy. Quite emphatic, and containing no admission that you might have misunderstood the intent of the OP. You’re almost as good as your President at spinning your own previous statements. ---
**Author:** ![LordVor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/90ced4/32.png) [@LordVor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LordVor)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2003, 9:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/arnie-in-robert-mapplethorpe-nudie-photos/203445/72 "2003-09-24T21:11:31Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by UncleBeer \* > \*\*Okay. I suppose when I made my initial comments, I should have quoted something from the OP; that may have made it clearer to what they were directed. \*\* Or, perhaps, you should have waited for somebody to claim that the existance of the picts made him unfit for office before you claimed that liberals think this and that therefore liberals are hypocrits. -lv ---
**Author:** ![Papaveraceae](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/e8c25b/32.png) [@Papaveraceae](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Papaveraceae)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2003, 9:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/arnie-in-robert-mapplethorpe-nudie-photos/203445/73 "2003-09-24T21:14:00Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by matt\_mcl \* > \*\*[Here](http://www.slumdance.com/blogs/brian_flemming/archives/000299.html) is a blog with the photo in it. Advance warning: it’s about as titillating as John Ashcroft’s Giant Aluminum Boob of Justice. > > _Mod Notes:_ > But it **does** contain full frontal male nudity, so beware when opening it._Thank you._ \*\* Thank you… My my my. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![minty\_green](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f6c823/32.png) [@minty\_green](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/minty_green)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2003, 9:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/arnie-in-robert-mapplethorpe-nudie-photos/203445/74 "2003-09-24T21:16:15Z")
Maybe I should just link to this thread from now on whenever I call something “Republican porn.” ---
**Author:** ![Mtgman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b5a626/32.png) [@Mtgman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mtgman)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2003, 9:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/arnie-in-robert-mapplethorpe-nudie-photos/203445/75 "2003-09-24T21:43:57Z")
Arnie isn’t really a Republican. He’s a Libertarian who knows the Libertarian ticket would get him absolutely nowhere fast. So he’s picked the side he wants to suck up to the most, sucked up to them, and now he’s gotten on their ticket. Enjoy, Steven ---
**Author:** ![moriah](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b2d939/32.png) [@moriah](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/moriah)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2003, 11:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/arnie-in-robert-mapplethorpe-nudie-photos/203445/76 "2003-09-24T23:25:35Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Ferret Herder \* > **I thought the reference was to Jesse Ventura (large, bald head, Minnesota), though I was trying to figure out where the Nazi thing came in.** Ding! That is correct. It was a reference to Ventura… from this past Saturday’s _Mystery Science Theater 3000_ in which a character says, “I’m from Minnesota” and someone from the peanut gallery finishes with “…our governer’s a large, bald, Nazi.” I’m guessing tha Nazi reference is to his sometimes conservative streak that can sometimes come out very forceful and very blunt. ## Peace. “It was not mine, your Highness, it was Wilde’s” ---
**Author:** ![Green\_Bean](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/green_bean/32/1760_2.png) [@Green\_Bean](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Green_Bean)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2003, 3:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/arnie-in-robert-mapplethorpe-nudie-photos/203445/77 "2003-09-25T03:20:20Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by jarbabyj \* > \*\*I know all of you want to see the Arnold photos to make fun of him… \*\* I assure you–my interest is purely prurient. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![syncrolecyne](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f08c70/32.png) [@syncrolecyne](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/syncrolecyne)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2003, 6:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/arnie-in-robert-mapplethorpe-nudie-photos/203445/78 "2003-09-25T06:58:08Z")
This election does not have primaries, so Arnold probably could have run as an “independent” or third party candidate with no trouble. In fact, with McClintock probably in until the finish, he might as well have done that. But he’s no Libertarian. Arnold’s afterschool program proposition or opposition to illegal immigration is out of line with a true Libertarian platform. And if Arnold is considered underendowed, well that does little good for my ego. ---
**Author:** ![Coldfire](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a587f6/32.png) [@Coldfire](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Coldfire)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2003, 8:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/arnie-in-robert-mapplethorpe-nudie-photos/203445/79 "2003-09-25T08:28:28Z")
I, too, want to see an official scientific poll, asking a statistically significant part of all registered GOP members whether or not posing for nudie pics constitutes immoral behaviour. **Unc** , c’mon, you’re quite liberal for a conservative, but I don’t think the majority of the GOP would agree. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![matt\_mcl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/7ab992/32.png) [@matt\_mcl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/matt_mcl)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2003, 9:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/arnie-in-robert-mapplethorpe-nudie-photos/203445/80 "2003-09-25T09:53:46Z")
Ack, _lo siento_, Coldie. I guess I just figured that since we were talking about nudity all the way through … [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/arnie-in-robert-mapplethorpe-nudie-photos/203445.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/arnie-in-robert-mapplethorpe-nudie-photos/203445.md?page=5)