# Arnold Schwarzenneger is a fucking idiot **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [September 1, 2004, 2:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/arnold-schwarzenneger-is-a-fucking-idiot/262527 "2004-09-01T02:56:04Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![LilShieste](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/9f8e36/32.png) [@LilShieste](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LilShieste)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2004, 3:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/arnold-schwarzenneger-is-a-fucking-idiot/262527/21 "2004-09-01T03:58:46Z")
> [@Danalan](#): > > When is everybody going to wake up, and realize that being a politician gives one a license to lie. This being an election season, all the gloves are off. Lies, damn lies, and statistics are spewing out of their mouths. Unless they’re under oath, you just can’t trust anything a politician says. Even then, it’s probably a gamble. I don’t mean to take this thread off to a tangent, but I just really hate it when people say things like this. No, I will not (ever) acknowledge “that being a politician gives one a license to lie.” Of course I will acknowledge that most (all?) politicians do, but that fact really disgusts me (about as much as people saying we should just “accept” it). Also, I’m not really directing this to you, **Danalan** , just to comments like yours in general. > [@Brutus](#): > > How sweet it is, watching you folks get your panties in a snit over mere speeches. Yeah, this is what I get for trying to be fair (i.e. watch the RNC as I did the DNC). I know the “right” thing to do was just turn on Faux News and get the highlights, but I couldn’t help myself, flicking between Faux and CNN to watch the actual speeches. LilShieste ---
**Author:** ![Squink](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5e925/32.png) [@Squink](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Squink)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2004, 3:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/arnold-schwarzenneger-is-a-fucking-idiot/262527/22 "2004-09-01T03:58:49Z")
> [@Mr. Moto](#): > > You can believe what you want to believe. Somewhere, somehow, somebody must have kicked you around some. ---
**Author:** ![Lord\_Ashtar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ea924/32.png) [@Lord\_Ashtar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lord_Ashtar)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2004, 4:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/arnold-schwarzenneger-is-a-fucking-idiot/262527/23 "2004-09-01T04:03:04Z")
> [@t-keela](#): > > So which one is Jenna…the drunk one or the fat one, excuse me “chubby”. I guess you could call her the chubby one. Whatever. I’d do her. Oh, and **Mr. Moto** , I don’t doubt that stuff like that happens. I doubt this: > [@The Governator](#): > > Let me tell you about the sacrifice and commitment I’ve seen firsthand. In one of the military hospitals I visited, I met a young guy who was in bad shape. He’d lost a leg had a hole in his stomach … his shoulder had been shot through. > > I could tell there was no way he could ever return to combat. But when I asked him, “When do you think you’ll get out of the hospital?” He said, “Sir, in three weeks.” And do you know what he said to me then? He said he was going to get a new leg … and get some therapy … and then he was going back to Iraq to serve alongside his buddies! He grinned at me and said, “Arnold … I’ll be back!” Three weeks? Maybe out of that hospital and into another one. Sounds like this guy just didn’t want to look like a pussy in front of Conan. ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Moto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9de0a6/32.png) [@Mr.Moto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Moto)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2004, 4:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/arnold-schwarzenneger-is-a-fucking-idiot/262527/24 "2004-09-01T04:08:13Z")
Nope, juat being a mini-Snopes, and saying that the story had some basis in fact. There are several soldiers Gov. Schwarzenneger could have met on his visit that lost legs and returned to battle, as well as many more who could have expressed a wish to do so. What effect this story had on people, I’ll just leave to individuals to decide. I do hope, though, that you’re all as moved by Sgt. Chandler’s story as I am. ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Cheatem\_Undhow](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/13edae/32.png) [@Dewey\_Cheatem\_Undhow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Cheatem_Undhow)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2004, 4:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/arnold-schwarzenneger-is-a-fucking-idiot/262527/25 "2004-09-01T04:13:22Z")
I thought the speech was really good – Reaganesque in its optimism. Arnie didn’t actually say “city on a hill,” but he may as well have. I thought it was better than any of the other speeches thus far. And **Dio** ’s tantrum notwithstanding, it’s a good broad-stroke outline of typical Republican policy stances (low taxes, strong military, free enterprise, etc, etc, etc). No, it isn’t a detailed position paper. It’s a convention speech. It isn’t designed to communicate nuance or exception. Nice turns of phrase and rhetorical flourishes are the order of the day. The less said about the cheesy Vegas lounge act put on by the Bush twins, the better. ---
**Author:** ![Lord\_Ashtar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ea924/32.png) [@Lord\_Ashtar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lord_Ashtar)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2004, 4:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/arnold-schwarzenneger-is-a-fucking-idiot/262527/26 "2004-09-01T04:14:58Z")
> [@Mr. Moto](#): > > What effect this story had on people, I’ll just leave to individuals to decide. I do hope, though, that you’re all as moved by Sgt. Chandler’s story as I am. Oh, it’s moving all right. But, to paraphrase what **Diogenes** said (I can barely believe I agree with him on something…maybe I have a fever 😉 ), is the bravery of U.S. soliders a sufficient reason to vote for Bush? ---
**Author:** ![threemae](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/5f9b8f/32.png) [@threemae](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/threemae)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2004, 4:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/arnold-schwarzenneger-is-a-fucking-idiot/262527/27 "2004-09-01T04:17:57Z")
> [@Diogenes the Cynic](#): > > I’ll take the story at face value (notice I didn’t target it in my OP). But my question is why is that a reason to vote for Bush? Where did he say that it was? Also, RE the OP. There are two types of Republicans. Fuking morons, ie Bush, and the rest of us, ie Ahnuld. ---
**Author:** ![Otto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/bbe5ce/32.png) [@Otto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Otto)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2004, 4:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/arnold-schwarzenneger-is-a-fucking-idiot/262527/28 "2004-09-01T04:23:01Z")
> [@t-keela](#): > > So which one is Jenna…the drunk one or the fat one, excuse me “chubby”. I thought they were _both_ the drunk one. ---
**Author:** ![Excalibre](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/898d66/32.png) [@Excalibre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Excalibre)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2004, 4:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/arnold-schwarzenneger-is-a-fucking-idiot/262527/29 "2004-09-01T04:27:03Z")
> [@Diogenes the Cynic](#): > > Aren’t they the ones who support garbage like the Patriots Act which is is the most brutal attack on American civil liberties in modern history? Not to defend this moronic action star, but plenty of our own supported this law as well; too bad the Democrats didn’t have the balls to stand up to the Pubbies when they saw an opportunity. I don’t think you can blame this one on the Repugs. > [@](#): > > Isn’t this the party that thinks people dying of cancer shouldn’t be allowed to smoke pot? Which prominent Democrats support medical marijuana? Or (better yet) general legalization? I haven’t heard from any myself; I don’t doubt that there are some on the coasts but in general, this isn’t a message I’ve been hearing (here in flyover country) from my own Democrats. God knows I would vote for anyone who supported legalization, but I don’t get the opportunity. > [@](#): > > Isn’t this the party that wants to decide who should and should not be able to get married? They don’t want to stop the gays from getting married. They just want to make sure it’s with the opposite sex. :rolleyes: in the general direction of the conservative leadership. > [@](#): > > What the motherfuck is this moron talking about? In what way are _liberals_ more authoritarian than conservatives? See, them damn liberals want to make sure the government performs its essential duties, even if it means actually taxing the public. **Liberal** would be glad to explain why having to pay a couple bucks extra in tax is a moral outrage. Course, must also point out that it’s under the Pubs that we’ve had massively-soaring deficits; suppose fiscal solvency is a liberal, PC, one-worldist, secular humanist attack on the basic Christian moral values our country was founded on. > [@](#): > > Traslation: If you’re worried about the economy you’re un-American and probably a homo. Is anyone besides me and apparently Dio just outraged that Ahnold’s fellow Repugs had no trouble with his comments? Shouldn’t they be a little bit up in arms about the whole thing? ---
**Author:** ![E-Sabbath](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/e19adc/32.png) [@E-Sabbath](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/E-Sabbath)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2004, 4:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/arnold-schwarzenneger-is-a-fucking-idiot/262527/30 "2004-09-01T04:30:46Z")
By the way, remember Arnold’s politics. He’s a libertarian leaning Republican. Like me. He may very well actually believe what he says, he may well be trying to make some of it happen. It ain’t much, and he’ll never be president… but he’s one sign of hope. Anyone got another? ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2004, 4:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/arnold-schwarzenneger-is-a-fucking-idiot/262527/31 "2004-09-01T04:32:47Z")
> [@Dewey Cheatem Undhow](#): > > I thought the speech was really good – Reaganesque in its optimism. Arnie didn’t actually say “city on a hill,” but he may as well have. I thought it was better than any of the other speeches thus far. > > And **Dio** ’s tantrum notwithstanding, it’s a good broad-stroke outline of typical Republican policy stances (low taxes, strong military, free enterprise, etc, etc, etc). No, it isn’t a detailed position paper. It’s a convention speech. It isn’t designed to communicate nuance or exception. Nice turns of phrase and rhetorical flourishes are the order of the day. > > The less said about the cheesy Vegas lounge act put on by the Bush twins, the better. I saw it as simply cliched and insubstantial, but even if you’re correct that he outlined some broad Republican ideals, how is that likely to persuade undecided voters to vote for Bush? That’s what I thought was lacking. He made no compelling case at all to vote for his candidate. BTW, I think that in many ways Arnold Schwarzenegger is an exemplar of the American ideal. His ability to acheive whatever he wants despite what has sometimes seemed like absurd odds is uncanny. I remember back in the 70s hearing him say that he intended to become the biggest movie star in the world. I heard that coming from an Austrian body builder who not only had a thick accent and a complete lack of any visible acting ability, but was also saddled with the name, Arnold Schwarzenegger, and I thought he was completely deluded. I was not quite as cynical when he first started making noises about getting into politics but it was still a remarkable accomplishment for this guy to become the governor of the most populous state in the country. He is the epitome of the over-achieving optimist. He should have been more inspiring than he came across. I was also reminded of the contrast between Arnold and Bush, who has been handed everything and knows nothing of what it is to actually _earn_ anything. ---
**Author:** ![CBEscapee](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/b19c9b/32.png) [@CBEscapee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CBEscapee)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2004, 4:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/arnold-schwarzenneger-is-a-fucking-idiot/262527/32 "2004-09-01T04:40:25Z")
> [@t-keela](#): > > They’re twins? Arnold has a twin…I thought that was just a movie. :eek: > > **Mmmmm…Jenna** > So which one is Jenna…the drunk one or the fat one, excuse me “chubby”. At least she’s not a fucking midget. I’d have y’all on my ass but good then. > Hey maybe **she’s** the smart one. > > girliemen? I guess that’s better. He’s not using **faggots** anymore. Maybe he’s not a complete idiot. I really needed a laugh tonite TQ, thank you. ---
**Author:** ![Mockingbird](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c68b51/32.png) [@Mockingbird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mockingbird)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2004, 4:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/arnold-schwarzenneger-is-a-fucking-idiot/262527/33 "2004-09-01T04:46:04Z")
The sky is blue, grass is green, and Ahnold is an idiot. _And_? ---
**Author:** ![matt\_mcl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/7ab992/32.png) [@matt\_mcl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/matt_mcl)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2004, 5:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/arnold-schwarzenneger-is-a-fucking-idiot/262527/34 "2004-09-01T05:16:47Z")
> [@Guinastasia](#): > > Try reading it while hearing (in your mind) it being said by Rainer Wolfcastle. > > It works then. Especially the part about “ecomonic girlie men”. (did he really say that? What is this, the GOP national convention or a 6th grade cafeteria?) Are you shitting me? Didn’t anyone tell him the first time?! ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2004, 5:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/arnold-schwarzenneger-is-a-fucking-idiot/262527/35 "2004-09-01T05:25:00Z")
Let’s see… Arnold is entirely a self-made man. He comes to another country, overcomes the problem of his accent and name, makes himself several fortunes while exploiting nobody, and gets himself elected Governor of the most populous state in the union, with some of the highest approval ratings in years. This man is a moron…why? Oh, yeah. He’s a Republican. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![Atticus\_Finch](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ec9cab/32.png) [@Atticus\_Finch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atticus_Finch)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2004, 5:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/arnold-schwarzenneger-is-a-fucking-idiot/262527/36 "2004-09-01T05:51:33Z")
> [@Guinastasia](#): > > Try reading it while hearing (in your mind) it being said by Rainer Wolfcastle. > > It works then. Especially the part about “ecomonic girlie men”. (did he really say that? What is this, the GOP national convention or a 6th grade cafeteria?) He used “girlie men” a few months back in a Californian context. He was criticised for this by quite a few people - I believe there was some discussion on these boards. I read the “girlie men” phrase in the latest speech as a tongue-in-cheek reference to his last, more controversial, use of the phrase. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2004, 6:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/arnold-schwarzenneger-is-a-fucking-idiot/262527/37 "2004-09-01T06:31:03Z")
> [@matt\_mcl](#): > > Are you shitting me? Didn’t anyone tell him the first time?! I don’t know, I didn’t see it. What really chaps my hide about it is that not only is it homophobic, it’s misogynistic as well. Way to go, AAAAhhhnold. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2004, 6:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/arnold-schwarzenneger-is-a-fucking-idiot/262527/38 "2004-09-01T06:34:31Z")
> [@silenus](#): > > Let’s see… Arnold is entirely a self-made man… Well, with just a _little_ help from publicists, scriptwriters, makeup artists… > [@](#): > > …He comes to another country… Uninvited. > [@](#): > > …overcomes the problem of his accent and name, makes himself several fortunes… In Hollywood. Where odious people _go_ to get rich. > [@](#): > > …while exploiting nobody… Exploited illegal aliens. One in particular, whom he heartlessly described as “one ugly motherfucker” > [@](#): > > …and gets himself elected Governor of the most populous state in the union, with some of the highest approval ratings in years… Who has determined to solve the problem of owing too much money by borrowing more money. > [@](#): > > …This man is a moron…why?.. God’s will? Steroids? Shit happens? > [@](#): > > …Oh, yeah. He’s a Republican… Confusing cause and effect. Comparing apples and orangutans. ---
**Author:** ![rjung](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/45deac/32.png) [@rjung](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rjung)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2004, 6:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/arnold-schwarzenneger-is-a-fucking-idiot/262527/39 "2004-09-01T06:41:35Z")
I don’t think Schwarzenegger is an idiot. I think, like McCain, he’s trying to tread that fine line between staying on the good side of the GOP and not having to say something he’s going to hate himself for endorsing in the morning. If he doesn’t give you any reasons to vote for Bush, then that’s probably because he can’t honestly think of any. If he dances around the topic… well, that’s politics. As for the “girly man” stuff, this morning’s **Los Angeles Times** mentioned that the RNC seems to be angling to position the Bush-Cheney ticket as the “manly” vote in November – all grit, all machismo, no time for wussified “nuances” and “sensitive” warfare and whatnot. Which, of course, is totally laughable once you remember that Cheney didn’t go to Vietnam because he had “more important things” to tend to, and George just went running like a scared pup. Maybe that’s why Schwarzenegger got the prime-time slot tonight. Instead of Kerry’s real-life machismo (stormed any VC nests lately?), the Republicans had to import some from Hollywood. ---
**Author:** ![t-keela](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/a3d4f5/32.png) [@t-keela](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/t-keela)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2004, 6:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/arnold-schwarzenneger-is-a-fucking-idiot/262527/40 "2004-09-01T06:52:58Z")
exploiting nobody… whatever happened to all of the charges against him for sexual assault/misconduct/rape etc. I’ve read his interviews and know what his beliefs were or at least how he presented himself. A saint the guy ain’t. Genius may be a bit of an overstatement. Entirely self-made…perhaps when it came to bodybuilding. **Gets himself elected** …this isn’t a valid argument against him being a moron. We elect morons to office all the time. Matter of fact, it appears that lately you have a better chance to get elected if you ARE a moron. Republican=Moron (Some of my best and smartest friends are republican) Nope not at all. Moron because everytime he opens his mouth, moronic shit spews forth. Like someone else I’d rather forget. The stupid motherfucker actually said he admired Hitler! and lots more. The list of stupid shit from him is almost as long as jrs. (well, honestly I guess they’re not that smart, since they are republicans. But they’re definitely NOT morons) 😉 [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/arnold-schwarzenneger-is-a-fucking-idiot/262527.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/arnold-schwarzenneger-is-a-fucking-idiot/262527.md?page=3)