# Around-the-world booze: something to it, or woo? **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [January 2, 2019, 2:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/around-the-world-booze-something-to-it-or-woo/827094 "2019-01-02T14:41:13Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 16\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Athena](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/35a633/32.png) [@Athena](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Athena)\ **Post date:** [January 2, 2019, 2:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/around-the-world-booze-something-to-it-or-woo/827094/1 "2019-01-02T14:41:13Z")
Between Mr. Athena and I, we received a couple bottles of booze that tout they were put on ships and sailed around the world. I assumed that was marketing woo, but in looking at the respective web sites, they both claim that putting the casks on a boat and sailing 'em around for a while makes a difference. From the [Kelt Cognac](http://keltcognac.com/voyage/) website: > [@](#): > > Until the early 1900s all cognac was shipped in barrels. The long sea-voyages had a profound effect on the quality of the cognac. When cognac started to be shipped in bottles the magical effect was lost. Until now. > > Our cognac, still in Limousin oak barrels, undertakes a 3-month sea voyage around the world. The combination of movement, temperature variations, airpressure changes and the magic of the seas during this 90 day sea voyage, creates a seamless perfection in the blend as well as an unrivalled smoothness that is characteristic of the KELT cognacs. From the [Linie Aquavit](https://linie.com/explore-linie-aquavit/) website: > [@](#): > > LINIE is the oldest aquavit brand in the world. It all started back in 1805, when the Norwegian trade family, Lysholm, shipped potato aquavit to the East Indies. Here people were totally uninterested in buying it, so the aquavit was sailed back to Norway. On its arrival in 1807, it was discovered that the sea voyage had vastly improved the taste. > > It’s the constant rolling and changing temperature and humidity during the journey, which gives LINIE its unparalleled smoothness, and perfectly balances the spices and cask aromas. So whadaya think? Something to it, or just a good story? (for the record, both bottles are excellent) ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [January 2, 2019, 3:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/around-the-world-booze-something-to-it-or-woo/827094/2 "2019-01-02T15:02:01Z")
I was with you until the mention of the “magic of the seas”. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [January 2, 2019, 3:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/around-the-world-booze-something-to-it-or-woo/827094/3 "2019-01-02T15:15:32Z")
Maybe back in the Olden Days, the swaying of the ship would provide a gentle stirring effect, and maybe that’s good for the booze. But modern megacargo container ships don’t sway to any significant degree. And humidity and air pressure will vary almost not at all on an ocean voyage (since you’re always at sea level, and always near a lot of exposed water surface), and temperature very little. ---
**Author:** ![Mama\_Zappa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/71e660/32.png) [@Mama\_Zappa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mama_Zappa)\ **Post date:** [January 2, 2019, 3:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/around-the-world-booze-something-to-it-or-woo/827094/4 "2019-01-02T15:27:46Z")
I could see the argument that keeping it in a cask for 3 months does something to it that having it in the bottle those same 3 months would not - I mean, they age liquor in wooden casks to absorb flavor from the wood, allow for evaporation, and so on. And maybe the movement (from being on a ship) would allow for some mixing so that all the contents of the cask got contact with the wood, so it’d be a bit more even (part of the same reason we stir food as it cooks). Me, I personally doubt that the humidity is that big a deal. That, the temperature, and the movement could easily be replicated in a warehouse by putting some kind of vibration-inducing mechanism on the storage racks, and having a climate-controlled warehouse. Far more controlled, and a lot cheaper than shipping the stuff around in casks. In summary: I could see where it makes a little difference, probably not enough to justify the woo (assuming that otherwise, the product HAS been properly barrel-aged). I certainly wouldn’t know the difference and I doubt most people would. ---
**Author:** ![Jonathan\_Chance](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jonathan_chance/32/701_2.png) [@Jonathan\_Chance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jonathan_Chance)\ **Post date:** [January 2, 2019, 3:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/around-the-world-booze-something-to-it-or-woo/827094/5 "2019-01-02T15:31:01Z")
I’m going with marketing woo. Those are emotionally charged words and in my experience if they actually had something there’d be a link to the chemistry or some justification. ---
**Author:** ![Lucas\_Jackson](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lucas_jackson/32/303_2.png) [@Lucas\_Jackson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lucas_Jackson)\ **Post date:** [January 2, 2019, 3:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/around-the-world-booze-something-to-it-or-woo/827094/6 "2019-01-02T15:54:30Z")
> [@Jonathan\_Chance](#): > > I’m going with marketing woo. Yep. I’ll bet dollars to donuts that you couldn’t tell the difference in a blind taste test. ---
**Author:** ![Channing\_Idaho\_Banks](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/channing_idaho_banks/32/250_2.png) [@Channing\_Idaho\_Banks](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Channing_Idaho_Banks)\ **Post date:** [January 2, 2019, 4:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/around-the-world-booze-something-to-it-or-woo/827094/7 "2019-01-02T16:03:22Z")
Maybe it’s similar to what happens when champagne is riddled. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [January 2, 2019, 4:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/around-the-world-booze-something-to-it-or-woo/827094/8 "2019-01-02T16:08:23Z")
Sounds like the type of woo you get from high-end audiophile magazines. ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [January 2, 2019, 4:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/around-the-world-booze-something-to-it-or-woo/827094/9 "2019-01-02T16:13:20Z")
> [@Channing\_Idaho\_Banks](#): > > Maybe it’s similar to what happens when champagne is riddled. Except that’s not bullshit. I’ve seen that done on TV shows about wine production and the riddling is necessary to separate stuff in the bottle. ---
**Author:** ![Thudlow\_Boink](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thudlow_boink/32/320_2.png) [@Thudlow\_Boink](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Thudlow_Boink)\ **Post date:** [January 2, 2019, 5:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/around-the-world-booze-something-to-it-or-woo/827094/10 "2019-01-02T17:12:55Z")
> [@Dewey\_Finn](#): > > I was with you until the mention of the “magic of the seas”. My reaction exactly. If they had just left out that phrase, I would have found it more plausible. ---
**Author:** ![pulykamell](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pulykamell/32/3166_2.png) [@pulykamell](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pulykamell)\ **Post date:** [January 2, 2019, 5:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/around-the-world-booze-something-to-it-or-woo/827094/11 "2019-01-02T17:21:38Z")
> [@Mama\_Zappa](#): > > In summary: I could see where it makes a little difference, probably not enough to justify the woo (assuming that otherwise, the product HAS been properly barrel-aged). I certainly wouldn’t know the difference and I doubt most people would. That’s where I’m at. The three months in casks during the voyage? Sure, that will make a different. That’s three extra months of aging. That said, you could just age it for three extra months before shipping it off in bottles, too. As for the humidity, temps, rocking back and forth–I can see that making some sort of a difference but, once again, you can replicate it and standardize it even when you’re cask aging it in your warehouse, if you wanted to. I don’t know how much temperature makes a difference on aging distilled spirits (though with fermented/brewed alcoholic drinks like beer and wine, that does make a difference), nor humidity, but I suspect most of that would affect the evaporation rate and what the final alcohol content is. But does that matter? AFAIK, the alcohol levels get standardized before being bottled, anyway. ---
**Author:** ![jaycat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jaycat/32/3015_2.png) [@jaycat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jaycat)\ **Post date:** [January 2, 2019, 6:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/around-the-world-booze-something-to-it-or-woo/827094/12 "2019-01-02T18:44:54Z")
Drink the stuff first, then take a nice long ocean voyage. ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [January 2, 2019, 7:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/around-the-world-booze-something-to-it-or-woo/827094/13 "2019-01-02T19:05:27Z")
Definitely woo. Unless they’re sailing those barrels around the world on the Golden Hind, it’s all woo. ---
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [January 2, 2019, 7:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/around-the-world-booze-something-to-it-or-woo/827094/14 "2019-01-02T19:18:42Z")
Legend has it that transporting booze in casks really does give it [that special taste](http://www.nbcnews.com/id/12631404/ns/world_news-weird_news/t/pickled-corpse-tumbles-out-rum-barrel/#.XC0OECBReUk). ---
**Author:** ![puddleglum](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/puddleglum/32/137_2.png) [@puddleglum](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puddleglum)\ **Post date:** [January 2, 2019, 7:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/around-the-world-booze-something-to-it-or-woo/827094/15 "2019-01-02T19:26:59Z")
The reason they age booze in casks is because it is filtered in and out of the wood over time which imparts wood flavors into the booze and add a mellowness. Anything that accelerates the process of soaking in and out of the barrel will accomplish the same thing faster. Rocking in a boat or shaking in a paint can shaker would both work. ---
**Author:** ![Quartz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quartz/32/267_2.png) [@Quartz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quartz)\ **Post date:** [January 2, 2019, 10:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/around-the-world-booze-something-to-it-or-woo/827094/16 "2019-01-02T22:56:29Z")
If it is aged as if it were the 1800s - i.e. in barrels in a sailing ship (likely a clipper) rather than the hold of a steamship - then there will be additional traces from the salt water in the Linie.