# Arrest made in JonBenet Ramsey case **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [August 16, 2006, 8:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/arrest-made-in-jonbenet-ramsey-case/369008 "2006-08-16T20:50:42Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![dropzone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dropzone/32/7515_2.png) [@dropzone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dropzone)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2006, 10:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/arrest-made-in-jonbenet-ramsey-case/369008/21 "2006-08-16T22:03:21Z")
But, you will note, she was NOT kidnapped. All this happened in her home, under her parents’ noses. I still think I heard a duck quacking. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2006, 10:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/arrest-made-in-jonbenet-ramsey-case/369008/22 "2006-08-16T22:10:01Z")
[QUOTE=dropzone] But, you will note, she was NOT kidnapped. All this happened in her home, under her parents’ noses. I still think I heard a duck quacking. [/QUOTE] If happened in the house. The parents were in the house. Therefore they’re guilty? There is no other possibilty? ---
**Author:** ![Walter\_Windchill](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/eb8c5e/32.png) [@Walter\_Windchill](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Walter_Windchill)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2006, 10:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/arrest-made-in-jonbenet-ramsey-case/369008/23 "2006-08-16T22:41:41Z")
[QUOTE=The Flying Dutchman] There is just no precedent for a financially and socially successful mother/father team doting on their only child to kill that child. Period. [/QUOTE] Whoa. Am I being wooshed, or are you saying that their wealth proves their innocence? ---
**Author:** ![El\_Cid\_Viscoso](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/41988e/32.png) [@El\_Cid\_Viscoso](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Cid_Viscoso)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2006, 10:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/arrest-made-in-jonbenet-ramsey-case/369008/24 "2006-08-16T22:43:51Z")
Oh for God’s sake Dio the Ramseys did it, you clueless dingus. They’re guilty and they’re going to get away with it and [gasp], who really gives a shit? That’s our system. These people have an obscene amount of money; further, I’m willing to give the aggrieved patriarch a “bye” on the strength of the philanthropic organizations he’ll likely front, money that would no doubt have been spent supporting the Miss Colorado Pageant drop-out, last week’s budding Paris Hilton. Why are you so breathless over this particular little girl anyway? She was a wicked bedwetter. We’re better off without her. Let’s move on with our lives, her father certainly has. ---
**Author:** ![Walter\_Windchill](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/eb8c5e/32.png) [@Walter\_Windchill](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Walter_Windchill)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2006, 10:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/arrest-made-in-jonbenet-ramsey-case/369008/25 "2006-08-16T22:45:43Z")
Wait? Does the wealth prove their innocence, or prove their guilt? I’m confused. ---
**Author:** ![Dunderman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ecb155/32.png) [@Dunderman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dunderman)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2006, 11:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/arrest-made-in-jonbenet-ramsey-case/369008/26 "2006-08-16T23:17:05Z")
[QUOTE=Walter Windchill] Does the wealth prove their innocence, or prove their guilt? [/QUOTE] Both, of course. Rich people never kill their children, and only rich people get away with killing their children. ---
**Author:** ![OneCentStamp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/13edae/32.png) [@OneCentStamp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/OneCentStamp)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2006, 11:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/arrest-made-in-jonbenet-ramsey-case/369008/27 "2006-08-16T23:33:06Z")
I’m not “in” the media, but I’ll certainly stand up for my ass-paddling if this suspect turns out to be the real thing _and_ the parents don’t end up being implicated in any way, because I’m definitely one of those who believed they were somehow responsible and would never see justice for it. In lighter news, this arrest comes just in time. I have it on good authority that America’s tabloids were all going to stop printing more papers starting tomorrow, because there was nothing good left to write about. ---
**Author:** ![JohnBckWLD](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/d6d6ee/32.png) [@JohnBckWLD](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnBckWLD)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2006, 11:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/arrest-made-in-jonbenet-ramsey-case/369008/28 "2006-08-16T23:37:14Z")
[QUOTE=col\_10022] Any idea how this John Mar Kar or John Karr character is connected to the Ramsey’s? [/QUOTE] [Early reports](http://crime.about.com/b/a/257092.htm) say John Mark Karr taught near the victim’s 2nd home in GA. FUCK!!! I was hoping it was OJ they had in custody in Thailand. At least I can take solace in the fact Johnny Cockroach resides underground (where he belongs) - and can’t hold up measurements of the victim’s neck while mounting a “If it don’t fit, you must acquit” defense. ---
**Author:** ![Martin\_Hyde](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/47e85d/32.png) [@Martin\_Hyde](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Martin_Hyde)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2006, 11:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/arrest-made-in-jonbenet-ramsey-case/369008/29 "2006-08-16T23:40:45Z")
[QUOTE=RTFirefly] Apologize to the family for _what??_ Nobody kidnapped that poor kid and tarted her up like a cheap whore when she was six years old. Her _family_ did that. And so did a whole bunch of other sicko parents in the kiddie beauty contest game - which should have been the _real_ story all along. If you dress up a whole bunch of prepubescent girls like they’re sex objects, it should shock _nobody_ when one is treated that way, with the predictable followup. Not that this makes the actual murderer any less responsible, but there’s more than enough to go around here. [/QUOTE] I think the family needs an apology from the Boulder police, big time. The police started looking at the parents early in the case. Early on, not a big problem, you have to explore all possible avenues. But when they persisted down that avenue for weeks into months into years when there was really no convincing evidence suggesting it was the parents, that’s just bad police work. Worse yet, is the people in charge of the case became highly unreceptive to any other theories of the crime and dismissive of evidence which would support any other theories. If this guy has killed/assaulted children since JonBenet, the Boulder police can thank themselves in good part for that, for failing to do their job. They developed a theory of the crime and then tried to find evidence to support it, instead of developing a theory BASED on the evidence they had found. ---
**Author:** ![Bosda\_Di\_Chi\_of\_Tricor](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bosda_di_chi_of_tricor/32/16845_2.png) [@Bosda\_Di\_Chi\_of\_Tricor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosda_Di_Chi_of_Tricor)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2006, 12:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/arrest-made-in-jonbenet-ramsey-case/369008/30 "2006-08-17T00:05:53Z")
[QUOTE=El Cid Viscoso] Oh for God’s sake Dio the Ramseys did it, you clueless dingus. They’re guilty and they’re going to get away with it and [gasp], who really gives a shit? That’s our system. These people have an obscene amount of money; further, I’m willing to give the aggrieved patriarch a “bye” on the strength of the philanthropic organizations he’ll likely front, money that would no doubt have been spent supporting the Miss Colorado Pageant drop-out, last week’s budding Paris Hilton. Why are you so breathless over this particular little girl anyway? She was a wicked bedwetter. We’re better off without her. Let’s move on with our lives, her father certainly has. [/QUOTE] **El Cid** , are you on Crack? Because you jabber your freakish, feckless screed like you were on Crack, so I thought it might be your hobby. The Ramseys were **cleared** , months ago, by the discovery of DNA from a _stranger_ on their daughter’s clothing. It _was not similar_ **in any way** to the DNA of any member of the Ramsey family. I hate the Ameriican Rich like poison, for their very real sins, like fraud, corruption of public officials, & exploiting the World like a $2 Whore in general—but the Ramseys ```auto did not ``` kill Jon Benet. I once believed as you do, but when the forensics cleared them, I admitted I was unjust. ---
**Author:** ![Menocchio](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9de053/32.png) [@Menocchio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Menocchio)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2006, 12:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/arrest-made-in-jonbenet-ramsey-case/369008/31 "2006-08-17T00:22:57Z")
I really hope this pans out. Because maybe this case, which really wasn’t that important, interesting, or unusual in the grand scheme of things, can just go the fuck away. I once saw a TV show that placed Jon Benet just under Jack the Ripper on a top 10 list of unsolved crimes. That’s just rediculous. Maybe, finally, people will shut up about this, and move on to more important and topical concerns. Like Natalee Holloway. ---
**Author:** ![duffer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/duffer/32/1026_2.png) [@duffer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/duffer)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2006, 12:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/arrest-made-in-jonbenet-ramsey-case/369008/32 "2006-08-17T00:40:45Z")
[QUOTE=Diogenes the Cynic] I also haven’t said this guy is guilty. But does at least force the media to consider the POSSIBILITY that the Ramseys didn’t do it and that’s good enough for me. [/QUOTE] And now we’re going to get another year of media prgnostication of why he did/didn’t do it. It’s the very same thing you’re saying about the parents. In a way, the time spent on this development is no different than the obsession over the parents. IMO, of course. And the mention upthread of “closure”. Does anyone here really need closure on this? Is your life incomplete without knowing who killed her? It would be interesting to know, of course, but is this something you actually need answered to get on with life? O.J. was mentioned earlier. Does anyone need closure on Nicole and Ron? (This was a bit of a side-rant on news becoming entertainment. Not really pertinant to the OP. Sorry.) There are 2 kinds of people. Those that need closure… ---
**Author:** ![Bosda\_Di\_Chi\_of\_Tricor](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bosda_di_chi_of_tricor/32/16845_2.png) [@Bosda\_Di\_Chi\_of\_Tricor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosda_Di_Chi_of_Tricor)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2006, 1:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/arrest-made-in-jonbenet-ramsey-case/369008/33 "2006-08-17T01:07:51Z")
BTW–“We’ve secretly replaced **El Cid Viscoso** ’s Cheerios with crack cocaine. Let’s see if he notices”. Yeah, it’s old, & somebody else said it first. But it sure does apply. ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2006, 1:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/arrest-made-in-jonbenet-ramsey-case/369008/34 "2006-08-17T01:27:38Z")
**Bosda** , you do the “Are you on Crack?” OR “We’ve secretly replaced…with crack” jokes. They’re both old but you still are supposed to only choose one, for reasons of logic even if humour is beyond you. Aaanyhooo, what duffer said - except that the guy confessed so it’s a little different than the speculation on the parents’ guilt. Wouldn’t it be wild if it turned out the parents hired this guy? Boy, some people will have to eat crow then!! ---
**Author:** ![duffer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/duffer/32/1026_2.png) [@duffer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/duffer)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2006, 2:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/arrest-made-in-jonbenet-ramsey-case/369008/35 "2006-08-17T02:13:34Z")
[QUOTE=Bosda Di’Chi of Tricor] BTW–“We’ve secretly replaced **El Cid Viscoso** ’s Cheerios with crack cocaine. Let’s see if he notices”. [/QUOTE] That or it was tongue in cheek. Which is how I read it. I hope that’s what it was. ---
**Author:** ![Annie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/858c86/32.png) [@Annie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Annie)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2006, 2:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/arrest-made-in-jonbenet-ramsey-case/369008/36 "2006-08-17T02:15:58Z")
Thank Santa I have BBC World-US news will be completely unwatchable for the next 2 years. Unless the suspect pleads out, \ohpleaseohpleaseohplease\ ---
**Author:** ![duffer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/duffer/32/1026_2.png) [@duffer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/duffer)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2006, 2:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/arrest-made-in-jonbenet-ramsey-case/369008/37 "2006-08-17T02:19:25Z")
The confession caught my attention, but these days I regard that news with suspicion. Like I’ve said before, news is almost indistinguishable from entertainment. Maybe he did it, maybe he wants the attention. Hell, maybe he wants to cop a plea in the US instead of face a Thai court. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2006, 2:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/arrest-made-in-jonbenet-ramsey-case/369008/38 "2006-08-17T02:28:08Z")
[QUOTE=duffer] The confession caught my attention, but these days I regard that news with suspicion. Like I’ve said before, news is almost indistinguishable from entertainment. Maybe he did it, maybe he wants the attention. Hell, maybe he wants to cop a plea in the US instead of face a Thai court. [/QUOTE] According to reports, they’ve been tracking this guy for months and he’s been on a list of potential suspects from the beginning. Plus, he apparently knows some details which have never been made public. I really don’t think they’d fly the guy back from Thailand and tip off the Ramseys months in advance if it was only some guy trying to confess as a ploy to get transferred back to the US. ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2006, 2:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/arrest-made-in-jonbenet-ramsey-case/369008/39 "2006-08-17T02:34:15Z")
[QUOTE=Diogenes the Cynic] The suggestion that this crime might not have happened without the pagent stuff seems to me to shift (even if unintentionally) at least some modicum of culpability away from the killer. [/QUOTE] Look, if I tie you up and leave you in the middle of Anacostia, does what I did make the robbers who steal your money while you’re tied up any less culpable? Of course not! Responsibility and culpability aren’t a fixed-sum game. > [@](#): > > I would also point out that the kind of sexual predators who kidnap and murder little girls do not require provocative attire in order to entice them into preying on children. I’m aware that people prey on children even without the added enticement of their being tarted up. But are you saying the tarting-up makes no difference at all, that it has no effect whatever on the pedophile? That’s certainly counterintuitive. ---
**Author:** ![Mighty\_Girl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/7bcc69/32.png) [@Mighty\_Girl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mighty_Girl)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2006, 2:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/arrest-made-in-jonbenet-ramsey-case/369008/40 "2006-08-17T02:43:35Z")
Og knows that the proper punishment for parents who are guilty of poor taste when dressing their children is to have said children brutally murdered then being publicly tarred and feathered, having their life ruined and live under a cloud of suspicion for years. That’ll teach them. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/arrest-made-in-jonbenet-ramsey-case/369008.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/arrest-made-in-jonbenet-ramsey-case/369008.md?page=3)