# Arrest made in JonBenet Ramsey case **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [August 16, 2006, 8:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/arrest-made-in-jonbenet-ramsey-case/369008 "2006-08-16T20:50:42Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 15\ **Page:** 21
**Author:** ![Punoqllads](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/d2c977/32.png) [@Punoqllads](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Punoqllads)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2006, 7:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/arrest-made-in-jonbenet-ramsey-case/369008/401 "2006-08-29T19:03:07Z")
You never said he was guilty and President Bush never said that Iraq was an immanent threat. ---
**Author:** ![Dead\_Badger](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/848f3c/32.png) [@Dead\_Badger](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dead_Badger)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2006, 7:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/arrest-made-in-jonbenet-ramsey-case/369008/402 "2006-08-29T19:07:15Z")
[QUOTE=Diogenes the Cynic] My point was that my OP was directed only at the media and that I’m not in the media, so any attempt to find hypocrisy on my part is a non-starter. [/QUOTE] So it’s only hypocrisy if you’re in the same group as the people you’re castigating? Huh, that’s a new one. Hey, tell me: if George Bush accuses Democrats of advocating reckless financial policies, is he not a hypocrite because he’s not a Democrat? ---
**Author:** ![susan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/susan/32/17537_2.png) [@susan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/susan)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2006, 7:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/arrest-made-in-jonbenet-ramsey-case/369008/403 "2006-08-29T19:08:18Z")
> [@](#): > > Does anybody mind if I start referring to Mr. Karr as “Stan Shunpike”? Well, _I’d_ enjoy it. > [@](#): > > ““It tarnished my princess (whacking her over the head with a flashlight)… the trauma to her head haunts me — so horrible,” Karr said in an April e-mail to Tracey. > Karr said that her death by asphyxiation had been an accident, that he unintentionally had suffocated her while the two were engaged in sexual activity. > “Slow pressure was applied to her neck until oxygen was gradually deprived,” Karr said in an April e-mail…” Source: [abcnews.com](http://abcnews.com) > > Nah, he didn’t “initiate a confession”. I don’t intend to praise or defend Karr, but that wasn’t a confession. It was bragging to a correspondent in another country, using a pseudonym. Yes, I’d investigate something like that. Yes, I might have him held in Thailand, but on a reasonable charge, like “skipped town with 5 pending child porn counts,” while I got a collateral report from his family about his whereabouts on Christmas, 1996. Yes, I’d get DNA if he looked like the right guy. Yes, I might fly him to California to face actual consequences of his actions there. Yes, I’d fly him business class so that I did not endanger him or another person seated in a 3-person row. But he didn’t “confess.” And my guess is that he is not “attention seeking” but mentally ill, and that he thinks he did it. ---
**Author:** ![Hamlet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hamlet/32/2818_2.png) [@Hamlet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hamlet)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2006, 7:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/arrest-made-in-jonbenet-ramsey-case/369008/404 "2006-08-29T19:09:12Z")
[QUOTE=Diogenes the Cynic] I backpedalled off of nothing because I made no accusations. My assumption that Boulder must have had more reason than an uncorrorated “confession” to fly him back from Thailand (and “fly him back” does not equal “convict”) turned out to be erroneous but it was not unreasonable and was not, in itself, a declaration that he must be guilty. [/quote] Your OP, despite your attempts to “clarify” your meaning, gives a big Fuck You to the media **because** of the confession. You’re now trying to rewrite it as something it clearly wasn’t. > [@Dio](#): > > No I didn’t. I intimated that there must have been a good reason to _extradite him from Thailand_. Bullshit. He was extradicted until 3 days after you posted your OP. Unless you have a time machine, your OP had absolutely nothing to do with his extradiction. Try again. Try harder. ---
**Author:** ![gazpacho](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/6f9a4e/32.png) [@gazpacho](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gazpacho)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2006, 7:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/arrest-made-in-jonbenet-ramsey-case/369008/405 "2006-08-29T19:11:31Z")
[QUOTE=Diogenes the Cynic] I wasn’t wrong. I never fucking said the guy was guilty. Plus I"M NOT IN THE FUCKING MEDIA. [/QUOTE] Your are such a weaseling unsavory person at this point. > [@](#): > > Not many details yet, but I’m posting this in the pit so I can shout out a giant FUCK YOU to everyone in the media that convicted and crucified her parents for all those years. Are we going to see any apologies? I doubt it. I submit that there is no other way to read this OP but to assume you are saying they found the real killer. ---
**Author:** ![Sarahfeena](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sarahfeena/32/519_2.png) [@Sarahfeena](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sarahfeena)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2006, 7:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/arrest-made-in-jonbenet-ramsey-case/369008/406 "2006-08-29T19:12:13Z")
[QUOTE=Diogenes the Cynic] I wasn’t wrong. I never fucking said the guy was guilty. Plus I"M NOT IN THE FUCKING MEDIA. [/QUOTE] I don’t think you have explained to anyone’s satisfaction why THIS SPECIFIC INCIDENT of John Karr being arrested is reason for the media to apologize to the Ramsays, unless you believed him to be guilty and therefore exonerates them beyond a shadow of a doubt. If he is NOT guilty, then how does this incident change anything? How is this supposed to indicate to the media or anyone else that the suspicion cast on the family was wrong? And what does your not being in the media have to do with anything? ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2006, 7:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/arrest-made-in-jonbenet-ramsey-case/369008/407 "2006-08-29T19:14:55Z")
[QUOTE=Hamlet] Your OP, despite your attempts to “clarify” your meaning, gives a big Fuck You to the media **because** of the confession. You’re now trying to rewrite it as something it clearly wasn’t. [/quote] It was _taunt_ because it was going to force them to have to give credence to an alternative suspect in the case. That’s all it ever was. You’re inferring something I never intended to imply. > [@](#): > > Bullshit. He was extradicted until 3 days after you posted your OP. Unless you have a time machine, your OP had absolutely nothing to do with his extradiction. Try again. Try harder. Jesus Christ. The post that you quoted me from (where I said they must have a good reason for extradicting him) wasn’t IN my OP and the cops were already saying they wanted to fly him back from the second the story was broken. The actual extradiction took a few days but it was already in the news that an extradiction was in the works from the word go. ---
**Author:** ![Punoqllads](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/d2c977/32.png) [@Punoqllads](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Punoqllads)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2006, 7:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/arrest-made-in-jonbenet-ramsey-case/369008/408 "2006-08-29T19:31:00Z")
Let me be the first one in this thread to admit he was wrong. In Diogenes’ second post, he clarified that he was not assuming that Karr was guilty. This was far before the evidence came out that while Karr was a loon, he was not a guilty loon. While the first post was not clear, the second one confirms what Diogenes is saying. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2006, 7:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/arrest-made-in-jonbenet-ramsey-case/369008/409 "2006-08-29T19:34:52Z")
> [@](#): > > Are we going to see any apologies? I doubt it. I can see how this one line would be read as a presumption of guilt but it was unintentional on my part. I should have said “Will there be any apologies _if this guy is guilty_?” That’s what was in my mind, anyway. I never meant to imply that I thought it was a done deal, and I got as supicious as everyone else pretty quickly (I posted in one of these threads that I thought he was probably delusional like the day after I posted this OP). I thought everybody was reacting to the “fuck you,” (which I intended as a taunt) but now I can see it was “any apologies” part which I barely remembered writing and which represents an excited incoherence and incompleted thought while I was composing it rather than an intentional accusation or presumption of guilt. Sorry everybody. That one comment was stupid as it was written, and indeed hypocritical in appearance. **Sarahfeena** I keep bringing up the media thing because that’s who my OP was directed at. I was saying FU to everyone who thought the Ramseys were guilty but specifically to the media who had always refused to humor any other possibility and who (I felt) had added grievous insult to an already grievously injured family. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2006, 7:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/arrest-made-in-jonbenet-ramsey-case/369008/410 "2006-08-29T19:38:03Z")
[QUOTE=Diogenes the Cynic] Sorry everybody. That one comment was stupid as it was written, and indeed hypocritical in appearance. [/QUOTE] OK. Thanks. 🆒 ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2006, 7:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/arrest-made-in-jonbenet-ramsey-case/369008/411 "2006-08-29T19:38:55Z")
> [@](#): > > I was saying FU to everyone who thought the Ramseys were guilty… That should be, “I was NOT saying FU to everyone who thought the Ramseys were guilty” but only to the media. Fuck, even my clarifications need clarifications. ---
**Author:** ![Sarahfeena](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sarahfeena/32/519_2.png) [@Sarahfeena](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sarahfeena)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2006, 9:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/arrest-made-in-jonbenet-ramsey-case/369008/412 "2006-08-29T21:35:24Z")
[QUOTE=Diogenes the Cynic] **Sarahfeena** I keep bringing up the media thing because that’s who my OP was directed at. I was saying FU to everyone who thought the Ramseys were guilty but specifically to the media who had always refused to humor any other possibility and who (I felt) had added grievous insult to an already grievously injured family. [/QUOTE] I see what you mean, but it seemed like you were doing the same thing that the media had done, and even though you are not a member of the media, it does not make it right to jump to erroneous conclusions. ---
**Author:** ![JRDelirious](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jrdelirious/32/9531_2.png) [@JRDelirious](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JRDelirious)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2006, 12:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/arrest-made-in-jonbenet-ramsey-case/369008/413 "2006-08-30T00:37:21Z")
[QUOTE=Diogenes the Cynic] That should be, “I was NOT saying FU to everyone who thought the Ramseys were guilty” but only to the media. Fuck, even my clarifications need clarifications. [/QUOTE] Hey, happens to the best some times. Still, “the media” is a lot of people… ---
**Author:** ![dropzone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dropzone/32/7515_2.png) [@dropzone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dropzone)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2006, 7:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/arrest-made-in-jonbenet-ramsey-case/369008/414 "2006-08-30T19:03:37Z")
[QUOTE=Diogenes the Cynic] That should be, “I was NOT saying FU to everyone who thought the Ramseys were guilty” but only to the media. [/QUOTE] So I can still call for the public lynching of John and for Patsy’s corpse to be exhumed, dragged through the streets, and pelted with dead cats and rotten tomatos? That’s all I ask for. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Tuckerfan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/eada6e/32.png) [@Tuckerfan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tuckerfan)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2006, 7:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/arrest-made-in-jonbenet-ramsey-case/369008/415 "2006-08-30T19:13:16Z")
[QUOTE=dropzone] So I can still call for the public lynching of John and for Patsy’s corpse to be exhumed, dragged through the streets, and pelted with dead cats and rotten tomatos? That’s all I ask for. 😃 [/QUOTE] Hey! Dead cats deserve better than that! Use dead rats or something! :mad: [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/arrest-made-in-jonbenet-ramsey-case/369008.md?page=20)