# Arrest made in JonBenet Ramsey case **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [August 16, 2006, 8:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/arrest-made-in-jonbenet-ramsey-case/369008 "2006-08-16T20:50:42Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Cheesesteak](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cheesesteak/32/3694_2.png) [@Cheesesteak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cheesesteak)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2006, 3:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/arrest-made-in-jonbenet-ramsey-case/369008/41 "2006-08-17T03:03:51Z")
Closure means this whole event can be brought to a conclusion. The murderer found, the innocent vindicated, etc. Why the assumption that closure means I haven’t been able to sleep at night? It just means that what has been a mystery for the last 10 years is no longer one. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2006, 3:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/arrest-made-in-jonbenet-ramsey-case/369008/42 "2006-08-17T03:05:24Z")
[QUOTE=RTFirefly] Look, if I tie you up and leave you in the middle of Anacostia, does what I did make the robbers who steal your money while you’re tied up any less culpable? Of course not! [/quote] I think this is an absurd comparison. The Ramseys did nothing analogous. > [@](#): > > Responsibility and culpability aren’t a fixed-sum game. > I’m aware that people prey on children even without the added enticement of their being tarted up. But are you saying the tarting-up makes no difference at all, that it has no effect whatever on the pedophile? That’s certainly counterintuitive. I’m unaware of any evidence that the children in these pageants are statistically at any more risk for predation than any other children. Are you? ---
**Author:** ![threemae](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/5f9b8f/32.png) [@threemae](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/threemae)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2006, 3:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/arrest-made-in-jonbenet-ramsey-case/369008/43 "2006-08-17T03:07:38Z")
[QUOTE=Stuffy] I guess the whole beauty pageant thing comes off as creepy and abusive in my mind. I did later change my opinion after an in-depth report by Court TV maybe. [/QUOTE] Well, at least there’s still due process in this nation. ---
**Author:** ![alice\_in\_wonderland](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alice_in_wonderland/32/176_2.png) [@alice\_in\_wonderland](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/alice_in_wonderland)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2006, 3:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/arrest-made-in-jonbenet-ramsey-case/369008/44 "2006-08-17T03:20:03Z")
[QUOTE=RTFirefly] Nobody kidnapped that poor kid and tarted her up like a cheap whore when she was six years old. Her _family_ did that. And so did a whole bunch of other sicko parents in the kiddie beauty contest game - which should have been the _real_ story all along. If you dress up a whole bunch of prepubescent girls like they’re sex objects, it should shock _nobody_ when one is treated that way, with the predictable followup. Not that this makes the actual murderer any less responsible, but there’s more than enough to go around here. [/QUOTE] Are you kidding me? Holy Christ on a cracker I hate wading into these threads, 'cus it makes me look like a loonie, but here I go anyway… I spent the majority of my childhood (up until I was about 11) “Tarted up Like a Cheap Whore” - yep - my mom put me in beauty contests, pageants, etc, etc. I have pictures of myself as a 4, 5, 6 year old in stupid outfits with big hair and tonnes of makeup and glossy, waxy lips. Honestly - it was kind of fun. There are lots of things that I really hate my mother for, but putting me in the stupid pageants isn’t one of them. Furthermore - had I had the misfortune to have been brutally raped and murdered as a 6 year old by some stranger (assuming that’s what happened), I really can’t reconcile the notion that my mom would be some how responsible for that. Shit, she gave me an outfit and some lipgloss - it’s not like she was selling me to the highest bidder. Finally, if given the choice, speaking as an objective adult, I would much rather have been put in goofy costumes and made to sing and dance on stage, than be brutally raped and murdered. Now, I suppose, I’ve never actually been brutally raped and murdered, so I can’t say 100% that the pagaents are a better experience, but I’m willing to go as high as 99%. Honestly people - pagaents are creepy. Hockey parents are creepy too but you don’t here them getting blamed for putting their kids in suggestive, masculine looking hockey pads when their coach molests them, do you. :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![Frostillicus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/e9bcb4/32.png) [@Frostillicus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frostillicus)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2006, 3:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/arrest-made-in-jonbenet-ramsey-case/369008/45 "2006-08-17T03:32:44Z")
[QUOTE=RTFirefly] Apologize to the family for _what??_ Nobody kidnapped that poor kid and tarted her up like a cheap whore when she was six years old. Her _family_ did that. And so did a whole bunch of other sicko parents in the kiddie beauty contest game - which should have been the _real_ story all along. If you dress up a whole bunch of prepubescent girls like they’re sex objects, it should shock _nobody_ when one is treated that way, with the predictable followup. Not that this makes the actual murderer any less responsible, but there’s more than enough to go around here. [/QUOTE] Amen. I just watched Little Miss Sunshine and the child beauty pageant contestants (except for Olive) were some of the creepiest looking little girls I had ever seen. What parent would do that to a child? ---
**Author:** ![I\_Love\_Me\_Vol.I](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/i_love_me_vol.i/32/521_2.png) [@I\_Love\_Me\_Vol.I](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/I_Love_Me_Vol.I)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2006, 3:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/arrest-made-in-jonbenet-ramsey-case/369008/46 "2006-08-17T03:35:34Z")
[QUOTE=Hippy Hollow] Well, being as it’s an arrest and not a conviction, I don’t think this points to any closure whatsoever. It certainly sounds promising, and this creep is already under arrest for unrelated sex crimes… but it doesn’t mean that a) he did it or b) the parents are absolved of responsibility. I think it’s going to be a long time until we get the full story. [/QUOTE] Since he is only “under arrest”, not convicted for the unrelated sex crimes, how do you know he is a creep? But basically I agree with your main point. I knew that with this case in particular, the usual, predictable, “STRING HIM UP!!!” mentality would be running rampant. It seems that some people–even posters right here on the good ol’ SDMB–who I think would normally be careful about not judging someone before their trial, are really chomping at the lynching bit here. ---
**Author:** ![Paul\_in\_Qatar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ccd318/32.png) [@Paul\_in\_Qatar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Paul_in_Qatar)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2006, 3:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/arrest-made-in-jonbenet-ramsey-case/369008/47 "2006-08-17T03:43:18Z")
I’ll bet you a dollar to a doughnut that the guy they arrested is teaching English. All the oddballs end up teaching English overseas. Draw your own conclusions about me. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2006, 3:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/arrest-made-in-jonbenet-ramsey-case/369008/48 "2006-08-17T03:46:32Z")
[QUOTE=alice\_in\_wonderland] Honestly people - pagaents are creepy. Hockey parents are creepy too but you don’t here them getting blamed for putting their kids in suggestive, masculine looking hockey pads when their coach molests them, do you. :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: [/QUOTE] In addition to this, I think it should also be pointed out that it still has never been shown that the pageant stuff had any connection at all to why this crime was committed. For all we know, the murderer didn’t even _know_ about the pageants. ---
**Author:** ![Spoke](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a88e57/32.png) [@Spoke](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spoke)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2006, 3:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/arrest-made-in-jonbenet-ramsey-case/369008/49 "2006-08-17T03:56:24Z")
[QUOTE=RTFirefly] Apologize to the family for _what??_ Nobody kidnapped that poor kid and tarted her up like a cheap whore when she was six years old. Her _family_ did that. And so did a whole bunch of other sicko parents in the kiddie beauty contest game - which should have been the _real_ story all along. If you dress up a whole bunch of prepubescent girls like they’re sex objects, it should shock _nobody_ when one is treated that way, with the predictable followup. Not that this makes the actual murderer any less responsible, but there’s more than enough to go around here. [/QUOTE] Think carefully about where that line of reasoning leads you, **RT**. If a grown woman tarts herself up “like a cheap whore” would you say “it should shock nobody” when she is treated that way “with the predictable follow up”? Let’s not blame the victims. I join **Dio** in a hearty FUCK YOU to those in the media who convicted the Ramseys without trial. LEARN THIS LESSON: More often than not police identify a suspect and then try to build a case against that suspect, rather than conducting an objective investigation. They would rather pin the crime on an identified suspect than put themselves to the trouble of searching for an unknown perpetrator. (I would have thought we would have learned that already from the Richard Jewell / Olympic Park bombing case, but I guess not.) ---
**Author:** ![Stuffy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f17d59/32.png) [@Stuffy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stuffy)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2006, 3:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/arrest-made-in-jonbenet-ramsey-case/369008/50 "2006-08-17T03:57:14Z")
[QUOTE=threemae] Well, at least there’s still due process in this nation. [/QUOTE] Yep, otherwise I’d tar and feather the lot of them. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2006, 4:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/arrest-made-in-jonbenet-ramsey-case/369008/51 "2006-08-17T04:09:10Z")
[QUOTE=spoke-] Think carefully about where that line of reasoning leads you, **RT**. If a grown woman tarts herself up “like a cheap whore” would you say “it should shock nobody” when she is treated that way “with the predictable follow up”? Let’s not blame the victims. I join **Dio** in a hearty FUCK YOU to those in the media who convicted the Ramseys without trial. LEARN THIS LESSON: More often than not police identify a suspect and then try to build a case against that suspect, rather than conducting an objective investigation. They would rather pin the crime on an identified suspect than put themselves to the trouble of searching for an unknown perpetrator. (I would have thought we would have learned that already from the Richard Jewell / Olympic Park bombing case, but I guess not.) [/QUOTE] There were a couple of guys who got falsely crucified in that Utah case as well. I forget the girl’s name. The one with the harp? ---
**Author:** ![alice\_in\_wonderland](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alice_in_wonderland/32/176_2.png) [@alice\_in\_wonderland](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/alice_in_wonderland)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2006, 4:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/arrest-made-in-jonbenet-ramsey-case/369008/52 "2006-08-17T04:09:47Z")
[QUOTE=Frostillicus] What parent would do that to a child? [/QUOTE] My mom. Trust me, I got over it. All you pussies wringing your hands about the “Poor widdle girls” forced to participate in pagaents against their will really need to pull your heads out of your asses. Pagaents are **NOT A BIG DEAL**. Christ threads like this one piss me off. ---
**Author:** ![Ensign\_Edison](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7ab992/32.png) [@Ensign\_Edison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ensign_Edison)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2006, 4:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/arrest-made-in-jonbenet-ramsey-case/369008/53 "2006-08-17T04:13:02Z")
If the Ramseys, and other pageant parents, are guilty of sexually compromising their child, should every “news” source that ran the clips and pics of JonBenet dolled up over and over and over and over and over and over and over again be charged with distributing child pornography? ---
**Author:** ![saoirse](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/5daacb/32.png) [@saoirse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/saoirse)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2006, 5:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/arrest-made-in-jonbenet-ramsey-case/369008/54 "2006-08-17T05:00:44Z")
Heh. I’m reminded of when my son was in Kindergarten. They had to do collages, a big sheet of construction paper divided in half, one side for “alive (with pictures of, say, trees, cats, dogs),” one side for “not alive (rocks, chairs, a hammer)”. One collage had a picture of JonBenet Ramsey. On the “not alive” side, of course. ---
**Author:** ![I\_Love\_Me\_Vol.I](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/i_love_me_vol.i/32/521_2.png) [@I\_Love\_Me\_Vol.I](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/I_Love_Me_Vol.I)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2006, 5:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/arrest-made-in-jonbenet-ramsey-case/369008/55 "2006-08-17T05:13:15Z")
[QUOTE=alice\_in\_wonderland] All you pussies wringing your hands about the “Poor widdle girls” forced to participate in pagaents against their will really need to pull your heads out of your asses. [/QUOTE] Wait… so the pussies have heads? And the heads are up the pussies’ asses? Where are the elbows? I’m trying to picture this… ---
**Author:** ![Cazzle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cazzle/32/75_2.png) [@Cazzle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cazzle)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2006, 5:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/arrest-made-in-jonbenet-ramsey-case/369008/56 "2006-08-17T05:39:33Z")
[QUOTE=Diogenes the Cynic] There were a couple of guys who got falsely crucified in that Utah case as well. I forget the girl’s name. The one with the harp? [/QUOTE] [Elizabeth Smart](http://www.cnn.com/2003/US/West/03/12/smart.kidnapping/)? ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2006, 6:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/arrest-made-in-jonbenet-ramsey-case/369008/57 "2006-08-17T06:03:48Z")
[QUOTE=cazzle] [Elizabeth Smart](http://www.cnn.com/2003/US/West/03/12/smart.kidnapping/)? [/QUOTE] That’s the one. Thanks. ---
**Author:** ![Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kolak_of_twilo/32/73_2.png) [@Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kolak_of_Twilo)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2006, 7:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/arrest-made-in-jonbenet-ramsey-case/369008/58 "2006-08-17T07:54:57Z")
Funny thing - I thought I found a thread about the fact that the authorities had finally found the scumbag that did this. In fact, [it seems he has confessed.](http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/world/AP-Thailand-JonBenet-Ramsey.html?hp&ex=1155873600&en=e244e3d458961e70&ei=5094&partner=homepage) Of course this thread is less about that than yet another opportunity for folks to come into the Pit and just be nasty to each other. Ah well, I should have learned by now. ---
**Author:** ![sleestak](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/919ad9/32.png) [@sleestak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sleestak)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2006, 8:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/arrest-made-in-jonbenet-ramsey-case/369008/59 "2006-08-17T08:08:38Z")
I just read an [article](http://msnbc.msn.com/id/14379566/) over at MSNBC which has probably the most distrubing quote I’ve read in a while. The quote is: > [@](#): > > “He killed the girl by accident,” Suwat told reporters. > > “They fell in love with each other. She was very beautiful. So he kidnapped her and killed her by accident,” he said. Excuse me, what the fuck is this ‘They fell in love with each other’ shi’t? She was six years old. Just fucking amazing, in a sick twisted way. Slee ---
**Author:** ![joyfool](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/df788c/32.png) [@joyfool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/joyfool)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2006, 8:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/arrest-made-in-jonbenet-ramsey-case/369008/60 "2006-08-17T08:31:51Z")
I’ve read the whole thread, but I did so while skimming other articles pertaining to this, so if I reiterate something that’s already been said, I sincerely apologize. Now with that in mind, I found one [site](http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercurynews/news/breaking_news/15293110.htm) that specifically mentions his predilection for kids via this line: “Karr was previously arrested in April 2001 in Sonoma County on five misdemeanor charges of possessing child pornography.” And sadly, I do think he taught English. Sorry **Paul**. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/arrest-made-in-jonbenet-ramsey-case/369008.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/arrest-made-in-jonbenet-ramsey-case/369008.md?page=4)