# Arrest made in JonBenet Ramsey case **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [August 16, 2006, 8:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/arrest-made-in-jonbenet-ramsey-case/369008 "2006-08-16T20:50:42Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2006, 8:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/arrest-made-in-jonbenet-ramsey-case/369008/61 "2006-08-17T08:54:32Z")
[QUOTE=Paul in Saudi] I’ll bet you a dollar to a doughnut that the guy they arrested is teaching English. All the oddballs end up teaching English overseas. Draw your own conclusions about me. [/QUOTE] Or me, I guess. Seriously, though. Some places, the stereotype is all that’s needed to ruin someone’s life and career–or someone else’s, a whole lot of someone elses. Not so long in Korea, many of us White guys got a talking-to about how wrong it is to molest girls in our classes. This was prompted by a case where two girls apparently falsely accused a Canadian male teacher of molesting them. Guess where he immigrated to Canada from? That’s right. Korea! Back to the case at hand. If the dude was a teacher in Georgia and “has never been in Colorado” (according to his pop), how’d he kill her? ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2006, 8:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/arrest-made-in-jonbenet-ramsey-case/369008/62 "2006-08-17T08:55:36Z")
That would be “not so long ago” above. ---
**Author:** ![jimbeam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/858c86/32.png) [@jimbeam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jimbeam)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2006, 9:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/arrest-made-in-jonbenet-ramsey-case/369008/63 "2006-08-17T09:14:09Z")
got busted fucking around on the internet didn’t he ---
**Author:** ![Paul\_in\_Qatar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ccd318/32.png) [@Paul\_in\_Qatar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Paul_in_Qatar)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2006, 9:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/arrest-made-in-jonbenet-ramsey-case/369008/64 "2006-08-17T09:21:16Z")
[QUOTE=faithfool] And sadly, I do think he taught English. Sorry **Paul**. [/QUOTE] Yep, it is all over the professional boards. He seems to have been in Thailand for eight months. ---
**Author:** ![jjimm](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ba8739/32.png) [@jjimm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jjimm)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2006, 9:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/arrest-made-in-jonbenet-ramsey-case/369008/65 "2006-08-17T09:22:33Z")
[QUOTE=alice\_in\_wonderland] My mom. Trust me, I got over it. All you pussies wringing your hands about the “Poor widdle girls” forced to participate in pagaents against their will really need to pull your heads out of your asses. Pagaents are **NOT A BIG DEAL**. Christ threads like this one piss me off. [/QUOTE] Tell you what: they may or may not _be_\* a big deal, but from outside your community, they _look_ **FUCKING CREEPY**. ---
**Author:** ![jimbeam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/858c86/32.png) [@jimbeam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jimbeam)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2006, 9:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/arrest-made-in-jonbenet-ramsey-case/369008/66 "2006-08-17T09:23:28Z")
WhereTF was he for the past 10 years? ---
**Author:** ![jjimm](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ba8739/32.png) [@jjimm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jjimm)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2006, 9:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/arrest-made-in-jonbenet-ramsey-case/369008/67 "2006-08-17T09:24:10Z")
Ah fuckety piss on the coding. I’m off to dress my cat up in lipstick and a swimsuit. ---
**Author:** ![jimbeam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/858c86/32.png) [@jimbeam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jimbeam)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2006, 9:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/arrest-made-in-jonbenet-ramsey-case/369008/68 "2006-08-17T09:25:46Z")
[QUOTE=jjimm] Ah fuckety piss on the coding. I’m off to dress my cat up in lipstick and a swimsuit. [/QUOTE] 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Equipoise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/equipoise/32/151_2.png) [@Equipoise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Equipoise)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2006, 9:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/arrest-made-in-jonbenet-ramsey-case/369008/69 "2006-08-17T09:40:22Z")
From [Yahoo News](http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060817/ap_on_re_as/thailand_jonbenet_ramsey): > [@](#): > > BANGKOK, Thailand - The American suspect in the JonBenet Ramsey murder case said publicly Thursday he was with the 6-year-old when she died and called her death “an accident,” a stunning admission that will help answer 10 years of questions in the unsolved murder case. > > “I was with JonBenet when she died,” John Mark Karr told reporters in Bangkok, visibly nervous and stuttering as he spoke. “Her death was an accident.” I will publically apologise, only I never thought the parents killed her, I always suspected they were covering up for her brother. I didn’t attribute evilness to any of the three, but rather a terrible, terrible mistake?/experimentation?/accident?, then the covering up by the parents out of love for the boy. I’m so ashamed. I’m so sorry. ---
**Author:** ![ambushed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/3bc359/32.png) [@ambushed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ambushed)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2006, 9:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/arrest-made-in-jonbenet-ramsey-case/369008/70 "2006-08-17T09:55:37Z")
[QUOTE=The Flying Dutchman] Still too early to draw any conclusions, but I was fairly convinced from the gitgo that the parents weren’t involved. There is just no precedent for a financially and socially successful mother/father team doting on their only child to kill that child. Period. [/QUOTE] Either you’re trying to woosh us or you’re totally full of shit. No precedent at all? In all of recorded human history? Hell, there’s more than ample reason to suspect (not prove) that Lindbergh killed his own “kidnapped” baby. Did you know that just a short time prior to this, the great hero Lucky Lindy snuck up into the baby’s room, snuck him out of bed, hid him in a trash can in a closet, and pretended that the baby had been kidnapped just for the sheer “fun” of it? How hard is it to imagine that he tried again only this time dropped the baby, killing him? Oh, and by the way, Jonbenet was not their only child, so that doesn’t mesh with the facts either. Period. ---
**Author:** ![ambushed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/3bc359/32.png) [@ambushed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ambushed)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2006, 10:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/arrest-made-in-jonbenet-ramsey-case/369008/71 "2006-08-17T10:07:02Z")
[QUOTE=Martin Hyde] I think the family needs an apology from the Boulder police, big time. The police started looking at the parents early in the case. Early on, not a big problem, you have to explore all possible avenues. But when they persisted down that avenue for weeks into months into years when there was really no convincing evidence suggesting it was the parents, that’s just bad police work. [/QUOTE] What does “convincing suggestive” mean? If you mean there was no hard, compelling proof, of course you are right. But if you mean there wasn’t any extremely suggestive evidence against the Ramseys, you’re dead wrong. It was the **ONLY** theory that made sense – and it made a hell of a LOT of sense --until the DNA evidence came along much later. What about that supremely weird letter in what looked even to experts like Patsy’s handwriting? The letter that did little but praise the holy shit out of John Ramsey like he was the second coming? And why should anyone other than the Ramseys _write_ such a letter? And with no persuasive evidence of a break-in? Anyone who excluded the parents from top consideration as suspects until the DNA evidence came in was a complete, fucking idiot. And that doesn’t change even if this Karr guy is guilty. ---
**Author:** ![Eleusis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/f4b2a3/32.png) [@Eleusis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Eleusis)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2006, 10:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/arrest-made-in-jonbenet-ramsey-case/369008/72 "2006-08-17T10:16:15Z")
Not that it all wasn’t fucked before hand… but from AP… > [@AP](#): > > Karr confessed to the killing after his arrest Wednesday at his downtown Bangkok apartment by Thai and American authorities, said Lt. Gen. Suwat Tumrongsiskul, head of Thailand’s immigration police. > > He said Karr insisted his crime was not first-degree murder but that she died during a kidnapping attempt that went awry. > > “He said it was second-degree murder. He said it was unintentional. He said he was in love with the child, she was a pageant queen,” Suwat said. > > Karr declined to say what his connection was to the Ramsey family. Maybe he’s using that excuse to avoid the death penalty, but it still adds another layer of fucked to the whole deal. ---
**Author:** ![ambushed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/3bc359/32.png) [@ambushed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ambushed)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2006, 10:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/arrest-made-in-jonbenet-ramsey-case/369008/73 "2006-08-17T10:16:50Z")
[QUOTE=spoke-] Think carefully about where that line of reasoning leads you, **RT**. If a grown woman tarts herself up “like a cheap whore” would you say “it should shock nobody” when she is treated that way “with the predictable follow up”? Let’s not blame the victims. [/QUOTE] No one’s blaming the victim, but we are criticising the perversity of any parent who would make their young child appear to be a hypersexual strumpet or male hustler. Despite **Dio’s** silly demand for cites proving that pageant participants are more likely to be targets for sexual abuse (can we _never_ apply common sense and intuition?), psychologists and others have long known that the hypersexualization of our children has many harmful effects. Now, that’s certainly not to say the Ramsey’s had it coming, but it does explain why most people found it harder to sympathize with them. ---
**Author:** ![Eleusis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/f4b2a3/32.png) [@Eleusis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Eleusis)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2006, 10:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/arrest-made-in-jonbenet-ramsey-case/369008/74 "2006-08-17T10:18:55Z")
Sheesh, my coding sucks when I’m in a hurry to be first with a new quote… And it doesn’t really add a “new” layer of fucked, rather it just gives credence to previous suspisions. ---
**Author:** ![ambushed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/3bc359/32.png) [@ambushed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ambushed)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2006, 10:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/arrest-made-in-jonbenet-ramsey-case/369008/75 "2006-08-17T10:19:31Z")
[QUOTE=alice\_in\_wonderland] My mom. Trust me, I got over it. All you pussies wringing your hands about the “Poor widdle girls” forced to participate in pagaents against their will really need to pull your heads out of your asses. Pagaents are **NOT A BIG DEAL**. Christ threads like this one piss me off. [/QUOTE] Funny, you don’t _sound_ like you got over it. And even if you did, who’s to say you’re a representative sample? I mean, I’ve seen documentaries of these pageants, and those mothers are sick, sick freaks. ---
**Author:** ![Eleusis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/f4b2a3/32.png) [@Eleusis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Eleusis)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2006, 10:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/arrest-made-in-jonbenet-ramsey-case/369008/76 "2006-08-17T10:21:03Z")
[QUOTE=sleestak] [what I just wrote, then double posted about] [/QUOTE] :smack: ---
**Author:** ![psychloan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/4bbf92/32.png) [@psychloan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/psychloan)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2006, 10:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/arrest-made-in-jonbenet-ramsey-case/369008/77 "2006-08-17T10:26:19Z")
[QUOTE=ambushed] Either you’re trying to woosh us or you’re totally full of shit. No precedent at all? In all of recorded human history? Hell, there’s more than ample reason to suspect (not prove) that Lindbergh killed his own “kidnapped” baby. Did you know that just a short time prior to this, the great hero Lucky Lindy snuck up into the baby’s room, snuck him out of bed, hid him in a trash can in a closet, and pretended that the baby had been kidnapped just for the sheer “fun” of it? How hard is it to imagine that he tried again only this time dropped the baby, killing him? Oh, and by the way, Jonbenet was not their only child, so that doesn’t mesh with the facts either. Period. [/QUOTE] The case against Bruno Hauptmann was pretty strong. I’m not an expert on filicide, but I would guess that in situations where parents murder their children, there is usually a lot of evidence of prior abuse and neglect. In situations where somebody murders their child out of the clear blue sky, it is usually a single mother who is trying to unburden herself (I would guess). So I think that the “precedent” argument is a decent one. Certainly sufficient reason to withold judgment against the parents in the absence of solid evidence against them. As other people have said, the main reason that the parents were convicted in the media was the whole pageant thing. ---
**Author:** ![Paul\_in\_Qatar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ccd318/32.png) [@Paul\_in\_Qatar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Paul_in_Qatar)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2006, 11:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/arrest-made-in-jonbenet-ramsey-case/369008/78 "2006-08-17T11:51:48Z")
But that was only because Bruno Hauptmann was guilty as hell. ---
**Author:** ![pseudotriton\_ruber\_ruber](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/a9a28c/32.png) [@pseudotriton\_ruber\_ruber](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pseudotriton_ruber_ruber)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2006, 12:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/arrest-made-in-jonbenet-ramsey-case/369008/79 "2006-08-17T12:02:01Z")
[QUOTE=ambushed] just a short time prior to this, the great hero Lucky Lindy snuck up into the baby’s room, snuck him out of bed, hid him in a trash can in a closet, and pretended that the baby had been kidnapped just for the sheer “fun” of it? . [/QUOTE] cite? ---
**Author:** ![Frank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Frank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frank)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2006, 12:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/arrest-made-in-jonbenet-ramsey-case/369008/80 "2006-08-17T12:18:27Z")
According to this morning’s article in [The Denver Post](http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_4190797): > [@](#): > > Lara Karr, the suspect’s ex- wife, told San Francisco TV station KGO-TV that during the Christmas holidays of 1996, when the crime was committed, the couple were together in Alabama. > > … > > But [Karr’s father] said his son had never been in Colorado and had no connection to the crime except for his interest in writing about it. > > “He researched everything he could about her,” Wexford Karr said. “He wrote about the family. That was his undoing.” The plot thickens. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/arrest-made-in-jonbenet-ramsey-case/369008.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/arrest-made-in-jonbenet-ramsey-case/369008.md?page=5)