# Arrest made in JonBenet Ramsey case **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [August 16, 2006, 8:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/arrest-made-in-jonbenet-ramsey-case/369008 "2006-08-16T20:50:42Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 8
**Author:** ![Tuckerfan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/eada6e/32.png) [@Tuckerfan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tuckerfan)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2006, 6:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/arrest-made-in-jonbenet-ramsey-case/369008/141 "2006-08-17T18:31:10Z")
[Former DA has his doubts about suspect.](http://www.dailycamera.com/bdc/county_news/article/0,1713,BDC_2423_4923852,00.html) > [@](#): > > “I’m extremely concerned,” said Trip DeMuth, former Boulder County deputy district attorney who investigated the case. “It sounds to me like they haven’t done their forensic investigation and have made an arrest solely on this man’s statements.” > > Concerning reports that Karr knew details of the crime unknown to the public, DeMuth said it’s possible he obtained them through other sources. > > “I thought (Lacy’s) announcement today was apologetic and setting up a circumstance when they can un-arrest him,” DeMuth said. “But it’s difficult to know when you’re not in the midst of the case.” ---
**Author:** ![Honey](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/honey/32/5074_2.png) [@Honey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Honey)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2006, 6:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/arrest-made-in-jonbenet-ramsey-case/369008/142 "2006-08-17T18:32:18Z")
If he killed her, he’s a whackjob. If he didn’t kill her, he’s a whackjob for making the statements he’s been making. In either case he shouldn’t be around children ever again. What will the court do if they find out he didn’t do it? After maybe a short jail term for obstruction or something, will they just release him? He wouldn’t even have to register as a sex offender, would he? Since having sexual thoughts about children is not the same as acting on those thoughts. ---
**Author:** ![lieu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/c2a13f/32.png) [@lieu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lieu)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2006, 6:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/arrest-made-in-jonbenet-ramsey-case/369008/143 "2006-08-17T18:54:53Z")
[QUOTE=Honey] In either case he shouldn’t be around children ever again. [/QUOTE] Sadly, he’s got three of his own. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2006, 6:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/arrest-made-in-jonbenet-ramsey-case/369008/144 "2006-08-17T18:55:47Z")
[QUOTE=Diogenes the Cynic] I haven’t said that he’s guilty. [/QUOTE] :rolleyes: [Google Search](http://images.google.com/images?svnum=100&hl=en&lr=&q=weasel&btnG=Search) (Note: might not be work-safe, depending on your Google settings) [http://www.thefreedictionary.com/weasel](http://www.thefreedictionary.com/weasel) ---
**Author:** ![Duke\_of\_Rat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ad7895/32.png) [@Duke\_of\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Duke_of_Rat)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2006, 6:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/arrest-made-in-jonbenet-ramsey-case/369008/145 "2006-08-17T18:56:42Z")
[QUOTE=Honey] What will the court do if they find out he didn’t do it? After maybe a short jail term for obstruction or something, will they just release him? He wouldn’t even have to register as a sex offender, would he? Since having sexual thoughts about children is not the same as acting on those thoughts. [/QUOTE] It seems like he has some sort of charges pending in Thailand, I would imagine he could be sent back there to face those. ---
**Author:** ![Lamar\_Mundane](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/85f322/32.png) [@Lamar\_Mundane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lamar_Mundane)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2006, 6:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/arrest-made-in-jonbenet-ramsey-case/369008/146 "2006-08-17T18:57:15Z")
> [@](#): > > “I’m extremely concerned,” said Trip DeMuth, former Boulder County deputy district attorney who investigated the case. “It sounds to me like they haven’t done their forensic investigation and have made an arrest solely on this man’s statements.” DeMuth was one of the lead investigators on the case and always believed that an intruder was responsible. I heard him on the radio yesterday and he said that he had never heard of this guy before. The talk of him walking her home from school is just bizarre. First, it was Christmas Day, so no school, and if this guy were with JonBenet on the day of the murder, we all would have heard of him long ago. I live in Boulder and was here at the time of the murder, so I am very familiar with the case. There is also no evidence at this time that the guy ever lived or even visited Boulder, but you would have to think that the DA must have confirmed that before getting the feds involved. Getting the cooperation of the ICE, the country of Thailand, the State Department, etc. indicates that the evidence must be very strong, but something about this smells. FWIW, from firsthand knowledge, law enforcement always strongly believed that the parents were knowledgeable about the murder, but then law enforcement botched the crime scene, too. ---
**Author:** ![Honey](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/honey/32/5074_2.png) [@Honey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Honey)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2006, 6:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/arrest-made-in-jonbenet-ramsey-case/369008/147 "2006-08-17T18:57:57Z")
[QUOTE=lieu] Sadly, he’s got three of his own. [/QUOTE] I must have skipped over that part of the story. Those poor kids. ---
**Author:** ![Sarahfeena](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sarahfeena/32/519_2.png) [@Sarahfeena](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sarahfeena)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2006, 7:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/arrest-made-in-jonbenet-ramsey-case/369008/148 "2006-08-17T19:02:18Z")
It seems to me that in these posts, you are taking the news reports (VERY EARLY news reports, for that matter) at face value. How do you know the media is getting it right THIS time? How do you know the police are getting it right THIS time? I wouldn’t be surprised if half of the “facts” we have heard since this story broke are nothing but rumor. [QUOTE=Diogenes the Cynic] According to reports, they’ve been tracking this guy for months and he’s been on a list of potential suspects from the beginning. Plus, he apparently knows some details which have never been made public. I really don’t think they’d fly the guy back from Thailand and tip off the Ramseys months in advance if it was only some guy trying to confess as a ploy to get transferred back to the US. [/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Diogenes The Cynic] There was some FBI guy on TV this morning who said the same thing. He had been in the house earlier in the day, etc. He also said the guy had written the ransom note in advance – before the child “accidentally died” in the basement and that he probably had originally intended to kidnap her. [/QUOTE] And you WERE pretty outraged at my suggestion that the guy’s ex-wife might actually have a real alibi for him. If they really have caught the guy, then that is great. But we shall see. ---
**Author:** ![Bosda\_Di\_Chi\_of\_Tricor](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bosda_di_chi_of_tricor/32/16845_2.png) [@Bosda\_Di\_Chi\_of\_Tricor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosda_Di_Chi_of_Tricor)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2006, 7:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/arrest-made-in-jonbenet-ramsey-case/369008/149 "2006-08-17T19:10:08Z")
[THIS IS A LINK TO EVIDENCE THAT COMPLETELY CLEARS THE RAMSEYS YOU IGNORANT SLUTS!](http://www.crimelibrary.com/notorious_murders/famous/ramsey/19.html) The FBI officially cleared them more than 3 years ago. ---
**Author:** ![Bosda\_Di\_Chi\_of\_Tricor](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bosda_di_chi_of_tricor/32/16845_2.png) [@Bosda\_Di\_Chi\_of\_Tricor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosda_Di_Chi_of_Tricor)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2006, 7:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/arrest-made-in-jonbenet-ramsey-case/369008/150 "2006-08-17T19:17:08Z")
[QUOTE=Bosda Di’Chi of Tricor] [THIS IS A LINK TO EVIDENCE THAT COMPLETELY CLEARS THE RAMSEYS YOU IGNORANT SLUTS!](http://www.crimelibrary.com/notorious_murders/famous/ramsey/19.html) The FBI officially cleared them more than 3 years ago. [/QUOTE] OK, you need this page too. [http://www.crimelibrary.com/notorious\_murders/famous/ramsey/18.html](http://www.crimelibrary.com/notorious_murders/famous/ramsey/18.html) But the sluts thing, I was right about that. ---
**Author:** ![Lamar\_Mundane](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/85f322/32.png) [@Lamar\_Mundane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lamar_Mundane)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2006, 7:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/arrest-made-in-jonbenet-ramsey-case/369008/151 "2006-08-17T19:23:06Z")
[QUOTE=Bosda Di’Chi of Tricor] [THIS IS A LINK TO EVIDENCE THAT COMPLETELY CLEARS THE RAMSEYS YOU IGNORANT SLUTS!](http://www.crimelibrary.com/notorious_murders/famous/ramsey/19.html) The FBI officially cleared them more than 3 years ago. [/QUOTE] The FBI did not officially clear them and there is nothing in the linked pages that backs up your assertion at all. FWIW, I do think now that the Ramseys aren’t guilty of the crime. I do think they know more than they are letting on, though. ---
**Author:** ![dropzone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dropzone/32/7515_2.png) [@dropzone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dropzone)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2006, 7:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/arrest-made-in-jonbenet-ramsey-case/369008/152 "2006-08-17T19:32:51Z")
[QUOTE=Diogenes the Cynic] Because it forces them to at least acknowledge the POSSIBILITY that the parents weren’t guilty. They’ve never been willing to do that before. [/QUOTE] Huh? What the FUCK are you talking about? Could you provide SOME evidence that such a person EXISTS? Or are your farts so powerful they can push down keys on your keyboard because you are talking out your ass? ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2006, 7:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/arrest-made-in-jonbenet-ramsey-case/369008/153 "2006-08-17T19:46:35Z")
[QUOTE=dropzone] Huh? What the FUCK are you talking about? Could you provide SOME evidence that such a person EXISTS? Or are your farts so powerful they can push down keys on your keyboard because you are talking out your ass? [/QUOTE] ok… you owe me a new keyboard and a fresh drink! ---
**Author:** ![Jean\_Poutine](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/a5b964/32.png) [@Jean\_Poutine](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jean_Poutine)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2006, 7:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/arrest-made-in-jonbenet-ramsey-case/369008/154 "2006-08-17T19:50:00Z")
What the media is glossing over, and I’m just throwing this out there, is that IF they find the killer and the real killer, whose DNA was under the nails, is not in the family, that exonerates the family from the murder itself, but possibly not from conspiracy, aiding and abetting, covering up a crime, etc. In other words, it could be true an outsider did the killing, but the family could have had a reason to cover it up, thus the possibility that even though they are exonerated from the killing, mom was not ruled out as having written the note. That IS a possibility. ---
**Author:** ![dropzone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dropzone/32/7515_2.png) [@dropzone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dropzone)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2006, 7:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/arrest-made-in-jonbenet-ramsey-case/369008/155 "2006-08-17T19:55:35Z")
[QUOTE=Jean Poutine] That IS a possibility. [/QUOTE] NO IT’S NOT! WHY DO YOU KEEP TORTURING PATSY RAMSEY? Oh, sorry. I was channeling **Diogenes the Not Nearly Cynical Enough** for a moment there. Yes, of course, you’re absolutely correct. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2006, 8:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/arrest-made-in-jonbenet-ramsey-case/369008/156 "2006-08-17T20:08:34Z")
[QUOTE=Jean Poutine] What the media is glossing over, and I’m just throwing this out there, is that IF they find the killer and the real killer, whose DNA was under the nails, is not in the family, that exonerates the family from the murder itself, but possibly not from conspiracy, aiding and abetting, covering up a crime, etc. In other words, it could be true an outsider did the killing, but the family could have had a reason to cover it up, thus the possibility that even though they are exonerated from the killing, mom was not ruled out as having written the note. That IS a possibility. [/QUOTE] Patsy WAS ruled out as having written the note. ---
**Author:** ![Jean\_Poutine](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/a5b964/32.png) [@Jean\_Poutine](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jean_Poutine)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2006, 8:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/arrest-made-in-jonbenet-ramsey-case/369008/157 "2006-08-17T20:22:59Z")
May I respectfully request a cite as to where she was ruled out to have written the note? Everything I read indicates similarities not only in actual handwriting but in writing style. I thought I read similarties were present in the different way she wrote the letter “a”, often changing up between two types of “a’s” in the same letter, and IIRC it was said after the note, she longer did this and wrote all a’s with the same style, and not the ones in the note? This may have come from a “Patsy is guilty” type website, so I may be recalling incorrectly. ---
**Author:** ![Velma](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/85e7bf/32.png) [@Velma](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Velma)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2006, 8:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/arrest-made-in-jonbenet-ramsey-case/369008/158 "2006-08-17T20:23:30Z")
I read that he had 4 kids, two teenage boys and twin baby girls that died at birth. (One wonders if that incident had anything to do with his fixation on little girls?) But I thought I read he had previous convictions on child porn so I don’t think he’s supposed to be around kids anyway. He is one bizarro man, that’s for sure. ---
**Author:** ![Jean\_Poutine](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/a5b964/32.png) [@Jean\_Poutine](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jean_Poutine)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2006, 8:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/arrest-made-in-jonbenet-ramsey-case/369008/159 "2006-08-17T20:25:29Z")
And can you be ruled out of writing a note you were once thought to POSSIBLY have written? The note and the comparison samples don’t change. Did the analyst say he once thought it was possible but now totally rules it out? On what basis would the change be made- that day I thought they looked similar today I don’t? ---
**Author:** ![Jean\_Poutine](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/a5b964/32.png) [@Jean\_Poutine](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jean_Poutine)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2006, 8:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/arrest-made-in-jonbenet-ramsey-case/369008/160 "2006-08-17T20:31:37Z")
Sorry for two straight posts, but I wanted to add, if this guy has a record for child porn, and the DNA was checked against all child porn dudes and found to have no match, how is this possible? Even if he was added after the initial check, would they not recheck periodically for new matches? Either the matching process was screwed up, not done, or the guy is lying. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/arrest-made-in-jonbenet-ramsey-case/369008.md?page=7) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/arrest-made-in-jonbenet-ramsey-case/369008.md?page=9)