# Arrested Development season 4 is now live. **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [May 26, 2013, 7:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/arrested-development-season-4-is-now-live/659382 "2013-05-26T07:07:34Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![Joey\_P](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/919ad9/32.png) [@Joey\_P](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Joey_P)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2013, 1:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/arrested-development-season-4-is-now-live/659382/101 "2013-05-29T01:42:45Z")
> [@Mahaloth](#): > > “Ninja, please.” > > My favorite line so far. Doing some Googling, there’s actually a wiki page for Ninja loans, the one that George Michael took out to buy the house. ---
**Author:** ![dnooman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/839c29/32.png) [@dnooman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dnooman)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2013, 2:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/arrested-development-season-4-is-now-live/659382/102 "2013-05-29T02:26:05Z")
I actually did LOL during episodes 12-14, I thought those were great. Who knows the fate of this show now? I kinda doubt a movie happening at this point, unless by some miracle those that drank the kool aid convince enough other people to watch it several times over and appreciate the meta aspects of the writing. I found Sudden Valley, which wasn’t really hard to do at all. They referenced Irvine so much that I had to “Something Earth” it when they showed a map (I grew up in Irvine). The are they are calling Sudden Valley is actually Rancho Santa Margarita, which I’m guessing was a community that popped up ala the Bluth’s. If you “Something Earth” “Rancho Santa Margarita Lake” and zoom out a bit, you can see this is exactly where they are placing Sudden Valley. The roads and geography are quite clearly outlined on the show maps. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2013, 2:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/arrested-development-season-4-is-now-live/659382/103 "2013-05-29T02:39:33Z")
Watching the 4th episode now. Holy crap, this is hilarious and a huge return to form for the show this season. Wow, a very funny episode. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2013, 3:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/arrested-development-season-4-is-now-live/659382/104 "2013-05-29T03:18:37Z")
Whoa, Tobias’ episode killed us, too. “And how old is your…‘daughter’?” “Well, she’s 19…but I prefer to think of her as 15.” Get him! ---
**Author:** ![dnooman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/839c29/32.png) [@dnooman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dnooman)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2013, 3:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/arrested-development-season-4-is-now-live/659382/105 "2013-05-29T03:46:30Z")
The cameos are many, and [this list](http://www.uproxx.com/tv/2013/05/heres-every-single-arrested-development-season-4-guest-star/) has most of them. I was shocked at how many of those people I didn’t know the names of at all. It can’t just be me, a large handful of those actors have to be E list celebs at best. They left out Deidrich Bader, Bruce McCulloch, and the original cast of MST3K with Joel! This show really blurs the line between actor and cameo. Scott Baio, Henry Winkler, Martin Mull, Ed Begley Jr. would usually be thought of as cameos in a typical show. Kristen Wiig, Seth Rogen, and John Krasinsky are the cameos here. What constitutes a cameo now? ---
**Author:** ![RandMcnally](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/b782af/32.png) [@RandMcnally](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RandMcnally)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2013, 4:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/arrested-development-season-4-is-now-live/659382/106 "2013-05-29T04:01:23Z")
More than once I’ve said, “Hey, it’s that guy!” ---
**Author:** ![emcee2k](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7bcc69/32.png) [@emcee2k](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/emcee2k)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2013, 6:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/arrested-development-season-4-is-now-live/659382/107 "2013-05-29T06:56:57Z")
I wonder how many people pirated the show and didn’t realize the “Showstealer Pro” watermarks were a gag. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2013, 12:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/arrested-development-season-4-is-now-live/659382/108 "2013-05-29T12:15:13Z")
> [@dnooman](#): > > They left out Deidrich Bader, Bruce McCulloch, and the original cast of MST3K with Joel! Was the MST3K footage old or did they actually get them to come in and do that? And that was Joel? If they do it more than once, I was referring to the Fantastic Four section. > [@emcee2k](#): > > I wonder how many people pirated the show and didn’t realize the “Showstealer Pro” watermarks were a gag. Quite a few, including at the start of this thread if you go back to page one. [Complaints about the watermark.](http://www.businessinsider.com/arrested-development-watermark-gag-causes-confusion-2013-5) ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2013, 12:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/arrested-development-season-4-is-now-live/659382/109 "2013-05-29T12:21:19Z")
I’m reading now that perhaps the MST3K footage was new and was voice cameos by the original cast? Wow, that’s amazing if true. ---
**Author:** ![CandidGamera](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/candidgamera/32/2878_2.png) [@CandidGamera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CandidGamera)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2013, 12:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/arrested-development-season-4-is-now-live/659382/110 "2013-05-29T12:53:13Z")
> [@Mahaloth](#): > > I’m reading now that perhaps the MST3K footage was new and was voice cameos by the original cast? Wow, that’s amazing if true. As happy as I was to see the MST silhouettes - I don’t remember them actually saying anything over the footage, which I thought was a missed opportunity. so I assumed it was just old shadowrama footage, superimposed. ---
**Author:** ![Frylock](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/ce7236/32.png) [@Frylock](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frylock)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2013, 12:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/arrested-development-season-4-is-now-live/659382/111 "2013-05-29T12:59:43Z")
> [@CandidGamera](#): > > As happy as I was to see the MST silhouettes - I don’t remember them actually saying anything over the footage, which I thought was a missed opportunity. so I assumed it was just old shadowrama footage, superimposed. I am pretty sure they were speaking. Joel joked about the fishing line breaking again or something like that. ---
**Author:** ![Orr\_G](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/ee59a6/32.png) [@Orr\_G](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Orr_G)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2013, 2:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/arrested-development-season-4-is-now-live/659382/112 "2013-05-29T14:04:22Z")
> [@Frylock](#): > > I am pretty sure they were speaking. Joel joked about the fishing line breaking again or something like that. The audio was really messed up there. I didn’t hear anything at all from them for one of the scenes, and in another just some incomprehensible muttering and then the words “fishing line” from Joel (it sounded like Joel). ---
**Author:** ![pulykamell](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pulykamell/32/3166_2.png) [@pulykamell](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pulykamell)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2013, 2:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/arrested-development-season-4-is-now-live/659382/113 "2013-05-29T14:10:00Z")
> [@Mahaloth](#): > > Watching the 4th episode now. > > Holy crap, this is hilarious and a huge return to form for the show this season. Wow, a very funny episode. Yeah, I just finished watching episode 4, and this is the first episode I’ve gotten all the way through. Hope the rest are like these. Even the narration seems to have returned to the pacing and tone I’m used to. ---
**Author:** ![Intergalactic\_Gladiator](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/intergalactic_gladiator/32/112_2.png) [@Intergalactic\_Gladiator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Intergalactic_Gladiator)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2013, 2:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/arrested-development-season-4-is-now-live/659382/114 "2013-05-29T14:11:15Z")
> [@RandMcnally](#): > > The wife and I were unsure if it was her or another actress. Yeah, I was wondering about that as well but the Internet says that it’s Portia. The Internet wouldn’t lie, would it? So far, I’m liking it. I got through the first 4 eps and then my wife wanted to watch them and I rewatched 2 - 4 again. I thought the first ep dragged a bit, but it was also fun to watch for stuff that I may have missed in the episodes that I did see. Anyone know what the deal is with James Lipton’s legs? ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2013, 3:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/arrested-development-season-4-is-now-live/659382/115 "2013-05-29T15:06:28Z")
> [@Intergalactic\_Gladiator](#): > > Yeah, I was wondering about that as well but the Internet says that it’s Portia. The Internet wouldn’t lie, would it? It was her— I think— but boy was it distracting trying to figure out exactly what was wrong about her face. Immobilized forehead of course, but that’s _de rigueur_… her nose looked different too, and something oddly droopy about her eyes. Upper lip trout-pumped somewhat, I think. Some have said she looks more like Calista Flockhart now, but to me she looked like an aging, slightly haggard Olsen twin. In photos she seems to look okay, but (as with many plastic surgery misadventures) seeing the face in motion, attempting normal human expressions, just causes a disconcerting feeling of wrongness. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2013, 4:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/arrested-development-season-4-is-now-live/659382/116 "2013-05-29T16:28:12Z")
The Captain and Tennille joke just about killed me. I like the change in format, I suppose in part because I was mentally prepared by _Breaking Bad_, with its tendency to start the story at the end. I couldn’t imagine watching this play out over 15 weeks, though. ---
**Author:** ![mr.jp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/48db29/32.png) [@mr.jp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mr.jp)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2013, 5:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/arrested-development-season-4-is-now-live/659382/117 "2013-05-29T17:56:45Z")
Anne looks better than Lindsey now. A bit unfortunate for them. ---
**Author:** ![Joey\_P](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/919ad9/32.png) [@Joey\_P](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Joey_P)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2013, 6:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/arrested-development-season-4-is-now-live/659382/118 "2013-05-29T18:02:56Z")
> [@mr.jp](#): > > Anne looks better than Lindsey now. A bit unfortunate for them. Her? ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2013, 6:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/arrested-development-season-4-is-now-live/659382/119 "2013-05-29T18:05:16Z")
> [@Intergalactic\_Gladiator](#): > > Anyone know what the deal is with James Lipton’s legs? I noticed as well. He is 86 years old, though. They actually looked slightly bowlegged. One of my favorite moments was him, Andy, Michael, etc. walking down the area with “Simply the Best” playing. We laughed a lot. ---
**Author:** ![Frylock](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/ce7236/32.png) [@Frylock](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frylock)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2013, 6:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/arrested-development-season-4-is-now-live/659382/120 "2013-05-29T18:47:29Z")
So poking around a bit on the web it seems people are framing the Rossi Facejob issue as involving speculation and a need to ask expert opinions etc. But I thought the show was specifically acknowledging that her face is indeed changed in an episode where George Sr and Lindsay were talking about Maebe getting plastic surgery and Lindsay remarks “What kind of a woman would do something like that?” (And George Sr. made some interpretable remark about Lindsay’s nose as well, to my recollection). Was that not the show confirming that her face has been altered? Did I misread or read into it to much? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/arrested-development-season-4-is-now-live/659382.md?page=5) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/arrested-development-season-4-is-now-live/659382.md?page=7)