# Arrested for Carrying a Concealed Weapon----Law Dopers HELP!!! **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [October 16, 2001, 3:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/arrested-for-carrying-a-concealed-weapon-law-dopers-help/87646 "2001-10-16T03:47:50Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Robb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/a183cd/32.png) [@Robb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Robb)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2001, 5:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/arrested-for-carrying-a-concealed-weapon-law-dopers-help/87646/21 "2001-10-16T17:04:50Z")
**Atrael** , a defense lawyer is part of the system. Few people recommend DIY surgery. A competent defense lawyer stands a better chance of kicking this case before it ever sees a judge. (Oh, and criminal defense lawyers do more than merely plead down offenses). Its likely that Wisconsin has definitions for what a weapon is in the context of CCW. In my state, we have definitions based on the knife configuration and length. A defense lawyer would know how to get the knives checked without having to try the case. This would be invaluable. If the sensible way to fight this case is through supressing evidence, a defense lawyer would know the necessary information to gather. Judges are in the business of deciding the information presented to them. A defense lawyer is far better situated to discover information and will better know how to present it. Using a defense lawyer doesn’t mean that you don’t trust the system. It does mean, however, that you have a part of the system who’s obligation is to advocate for you. The suggestions to get a lawyer aren’t just suggestions to make some lawyer money, they are suggests to protect the friend. ---
**Author:** ![wring](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/838e76/32.png) [@wring](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wring)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2001, 5:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/arrested-for-carrying-a-concealed-weapon-law-dopers-help/87646/22 "2001-10-16T17:20:55Z")
I’m going to go out on a limb here and suggest that he get a lawyer, and tell the lawyer everything, and respect the advice of the lawyer. (I’ve worked w/ex offenders for 20+ years, have dealt w/ a couple of guys whose only charge was a CCW in odd circumstances- **get a lawyer** ) ---
**Author:** ![Atrael](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/6a8cbe/32.png) [@Atrael](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atrael)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2001, 5:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/arrested-for-carrying-a-concealed-weapon-law-dopers-help/87646/23 "2001-10-16T17:56:21Z")
_shrug_…and like I said, that’s just the way I do things personally. To me, getting a lawyer is something you do when you **have** done something wrong. Not when you’re innocent. I’m assuming that since the knives were confisacted, that the judge will at least have a description of them. If they do fall under a catagory of weapon’s that are restricted, then you’ll have to rely on the person’s character, events as described by both parties, and mitigating circumstances. If the knives do not physically meet the requirments for restricted weapons, I assume the judge knows enough about the law to know that, so why would you need a lawyer to point that out to him? Anyway, I don’t want to get into this, as it’s not germain to the OP. Aqua, the preponderance of people here are reccomending a lawyer. If your friend is worried about his “record” and the extent that it will effect his standing in the community, or his future employment opportunities, then he should at least consult with a lawyer. ---
**Author:** ![bdgr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/a87d85/32.png) [@bdgr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bdgr)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2001, 8:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/arrested-for-carrying-a-concealed-weapon-law-dopers-help/87646/24 "2001-10-16T20:38:58Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Atrael \* > \*\*Personally? If your friend is certain he didn’t do anything wrong. In other words, he wasn’t actually carrying a concealed weapon, then I wouldn’t get a lawyer. \*\* Speaking as someone who had his entire life destroyed by being arrested for a crime I didnt comit, this is dangerous advise. Luckily I had a lawyer stand up for me, or I’d be in prison right now. The problem here is that the system doesnt always work. I lost my home, and my job, and had to pay a lawyer to have my record wiped of the arrest, even though I “did nothing wrong”. Dont tell me the system works, it works for people who can afford lawyers. Other people get to go to jail and pay fines. WERE NOT TALKING ABOUT A TRAFFIC TICKET HERE! This may be a misdemeanor, but having this sort of conviction on your record can screw you in the future. I think the cop in this case saw the jewelry, and a knife, and decided he was gonna teach this little satan worshiper a lesson(cops dont often know the differance between them and witches). Bringing this up in court could save you, or it could backfire. Filing a complaint against the officer, saying he harrased him for religious reasons could get the charges dropped, or it could backfire. Get a lawyer. ---
**Author:** ![glee](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/b5a626/32.png) [@glee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/glee)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2001, 8:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/arrested-for-carrying-a-concealed-weapon-law-dopers-help/87646/25 "2001-10-16T20:59:40Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Atrael \* > To me, getting a lawyer is something you do when you **have** done something wrong. Not when you’re innocent. Well I would only get a lawyer if I was **innocent**. If guilty, I would plead guilty and trust the court took it into consideration. Why not view defence lawyers as insurance. ---
**Author:** ![Kilt-wearin\_man](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/82dd89/32.png) [@Kilt-wearin\_man](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kilt-wearin_man)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2001, 10:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/arrested-for-carrying-a-concealed-weapon-law-dopers-help/87646/26 "2001-10-16T22:02:00Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Atrael \* > \*\*To me, getting a lawyer is something you do when you **have** done something wrong. Not when you’re innocent. \*\* That would be fine if just being innocent guaranteed that you would not be found guilty…the court system does not decide guilt or innocence, it decides who can present a more convincing argument. The man who is his own lawyer has a fool for a client. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2001, 11:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/arrested-for-carrying-a-concealed-weapon-law-dopers-help/87646/27 "2001-10-16T23:23:27Z")
The system we have is geared towards the innocent - we favor letting a few guilty go rather than convicting an innocent person. However - defense lawyers are part of that system. In other words, it doesn;t make sense to say, “If I’m innocent, I trust the system to make that finding without my getting a lawyer.” Lawyers are PART of that system. You certainly wouldn’t say, “If surgery can cure me, then I trust the surgeon to do it; I don’t need the anesthesiologist.” - Rick ---
**Author:** ![Cazzle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cazzle/32/75_2.png) [@Cazzle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cazzle)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2001, 12:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/arrested-for-carrying-a-concealed-weapon-law-dopers-help/87646/28 "2001-10-17T00:21:16Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by AquaPura \* > \*\*It started out as a lovely evening, I picked up one of my friends at his home to go out with another few friends that we were picking up at work. We work at a retail store in a suburb in Wisconsin. We were chatting with each other about where we were going to go while sitting on a bench near the front exit of the store. > He asked to see his knife and started to question him about it, asking why he had such a big knife and what he needed it for. My friend told the officer that he was a scout and was just coming back from a camping trip and he used it camping. The officer got upset with him and started badgering him about the knife. \*\* Your friend wasn’t just back from a camping trip. You said you picked him up from home, and then you were talking about where to go. Why didn’t he drop his knives off when he was at home? Why would anyone need to carry three knives with them on an outing with friends? Why did the cop get upset? My guess is that when an 18 year old wearing dark clothing, a pentacle and carrying three knives answers “I’m a boyscout”, the cop thinks he’s being a smartass. People associate scouts with children more than adults. Sure, he’s a scout, but when I read what you’d written, at first I thought you meant your friend was being smart when he answered that. > [@](#): > > **At this point the officer again asked why he had these knives and my friend told him they all had different uses when he was camping. The officer then at this point yelled at him "Well YOUR stupid!"** And fair enough. You weren’t in the bush, camping. You were in town. Sure all knives have different uses when you’re camping, but that doesn’t mean you need to carry them into town with you. > [@](#): > > \*\*While inside the station my friend was questioned, repeatedly told he didn’t need to carry knives, and told that one of the main reasons why he was stopped was because he was wearing “all black”. And had a “funny necklace” on. > The officer also said my friend was giving him attitude outside. He was booked, printed, and mugshotted and released with a $410 fine. > When he came out he was distraught. He was arrested for a concealed weapon, which he had all the knives too big to be concealed legally on his belt. Had his knives taken away, and charged and fined. > This poor kid is only 18; he is terrified his parents will find out, his record is so clean it squeaks. He is even an Eagle Scout! He has never EVER been in trouble before; he didn’t even get a detention in high school! The charges seemed to be trumped up, and the cop was out of control. He had cuts on his wrists from the cuffs, and while other officers tried to convince the arresting officer to let him go he brushed them off saying he had already wrote in CCW so that’s what it was going to be. Three different officers questioned him after he was arrested and he was never read his rights. \*\* Trumped up? You both admit he was carrying concealed weapons. How is that trumped up? Plus, he lied to the police - he said he was just back from a camping trip. You’ve told us you picked him up from home. If he’d been home in between, then he wasn’t “just back” from a camping trip and he’d had an opportunity to dump the knives at home before going out. On top of that, you say you also habitually carry a knife. Your friend must know it’s wrong to do that, or he wouldn’t have lied to the police. On top of that, you say he’s terrified his parents will find out. If carrying a knife in public is acceptable behaviour, and if they don’t have a problem with him carrying his knives where ever he goes, then why would they be angry at him for being arrested for it? If, however, they have told him not to do it, warned him to leave them home, then he was doing the wrong thing and knew it. > [@](#): > > \*\*Additional info: > His shirt was blue, not black like the officer said. > His funny necklace was a pentacle, my friend is a practicing witch. > He couldn’t get the arresting offcer to tell him what CCW meant until the other officers arrived. Even after that he didn’t give my friend many answers about what the charge meant. He was continually beligerant and ignored him. > My friend is a short unassuming guy five feet tall and very skinny. > He speaks very softly and was very very scared I’m not sure if he could have mustered up additude if he tried. > > Anything else you need? Any ideas? What can be done? > I appeal to the knowledge of the dopers across the planet… > > Thank you, > > `Aqua \*\* Did they say “black shirt” or did they say “dark shirt”? There’s really no difference anyway. An 18 year old male wearing dark clothing and what looks like a satanic symbol around his neck pulls out a large knife in a public place, and you want the police to turn a blind eye? Let’s play a game here. Your mother is picking up a few things before heading home for the day. Suddenly, an 18 year old male wearing dark clothing and a pentacle charges up and stabs her with his knife. Later, it is revealed that a policeman saw this male earlier “playing with the knife”, but did nothing. Do you congratulate the policeman on his trust and respect for a strange man carrying a knife, or do you scream and rant and yell about how your mother would still be alive today if that cop “did his job”? I have no sympathy. Your friend was carrying three concealed weapons in a public place for no good reason. He lied to the police when asked why. You think he shouldn’t be in trouble for it, I think he damn well should be, and perhaps it will teach him to leave the dangerous weapons behind when going shopping in future. ---
**Author:** ![bdgr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/a87d85/32.png) [@bdgr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bdgr)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2001, 12:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/arrested-for-carrying-a-concealed-weapon-law-dopers-help/87646/29 "2001-10-17T00:43:10Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by cazzle \* > \*\* > Did they say “black shirt” or did they say “dark shirt”? There’s really no difference anyway. An 18 year old male wearing dark clothing and what looks like a satanic symbol around his neck pulls out a large knife in a public place, and you want the police to turn a blind eye? > \*\* Yes, because [list=a] [li]Being a satanist, (even though he wasnt one)is his right, remember freedom of religion?[/li][li]The knife wasnt that large, and wasnt illegal[/li][li]he wasnt carrying concealed weapons. In most states, a knife has to over a certain length, and I know in my state the knife he had was well below that length. the larger knifes were worn in plain sight on his belt.[/li][/list] I have a real problem with cops who make up their own laws. They arrest people who they know havent broken the law, because they know the legal fees and hassle will be punishment enough for that person being differant. The cop is a disgrace to his uniform. ---
**Author:** ![Cazzle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cazzle/32/75_2.png) [@Cazzle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cazzle)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2001, 1:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/arrested-for-carrying-a-concealed-weapon-law-dopers-help/87646/30 "2001-10-17T01:09:29Z")
Oh puh-leeze. My right to go out in public without fear of being stabbed by a freak obsessed with knives outweights your right to carry a knife. You’re free to be a Satanist if you want, but if you make a religion out of worshipping evil, you can’t then claim harrassment when people suspect you of evil doings. I realise that Wicca and Satanism are different. I’m talking from the POV of the cop, who probably associated the pentacle with Satan, rather than Wicca. ---
**Author:** ![kanicbird](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/5f8ce5/32.png) [@kanicbird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kanicbird)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2001, 1:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/arrested-for-carrying-a-concealed-weapon-law-dopers-help/87646/31 "2001-10-17T01:40:23Z")
> [@](#): > > , repeatedly told he didn’t need to carry knives 1st of all get a lawyer and clear your record! (tell the parents too) 2nd of all who the F#%\* is this cop to tell anyone they didn’t need to carry a knife - it’s none of his F$#&\*N business - and there is no constitional right to police protection. ---
**Author:** ![bdgr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/a87d85/32.png) [@bdgr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bdgr)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2001, 1:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/arrested-for-carrying-a-concealed-weapon-law-dopers-help/87646/32 "2001-10-17T01:50:21Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by cazzle \* > \*\*Oh puh-leeze. > > My right to go out in public without fear of being stabbed by a freak obsessed with knives outweights your right to carry a knife. > > You’re free to be a Satanist if you want, but if you make a religion out of worshipping evil, you can’t then claim harrassment when people suspect you of evil doings. > > I realise that Wicca and Satanism are different. I’m talking from the POV of the cop, who probably associated the pentacle with Satan, rather than Wicca. \*\* First of all, yes you can claim that when that person is a cop, who is prohibited by law from harrasing people due to thier religion. Second, anybody has a right to carry whatever the hell they want as long as it is not illegal. They hae a right not be arrested if they are not breaking any laws. Read the constitution, this is America. You right to feel safe does not trump someone right not to be illegally detained and harrased when they are breaking no laws. Don’t like it? Get laws passed against carrying any knifes, pointed sticks, or anything else you are paranoid about, if you can get enough people who are behind it. Until then, an American citizen has a right to sit around with fifty knives on them wearing whatever they want, and the cops have to leave them alone. The police are there to enforce existing laws, when they break the law themselves, they are just another gang. ---
**Author:** ![Koxinga](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/4af34b/32.png) [@Koxinga](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Koxinga)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2001, 1:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/arrested-for-carrying-a-concealed-weapon-law-dopers-help/87646/33 "2001-10-17T01:51:15Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by cazzle \* > **You’re free to be a Satanist if you want, but if you make a religion out of worshipping evil, you can’t then claim harrassment when people suspect you of evil doings.** So say that I’m a Catholic, and there are people out there who read the Left Behind series or Jack Chick’s web site and have therefore arrived at the belief that Catholics are evil. By your logic, I’m free to be a Catholic if I want, but I can’t complain when these nuts accuse me of following the Antichrist. Oh, but you were talking about Wiccans. That’s different because **you** know that they _really are_ evil. Puh-leez indeed. ---
**Author:** ![Spudgunr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/7ba0ec/32.png) [@Spudgunr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spudgunr)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2001, 2:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/arrested-for-carrying-a-concealed-weapon-law-dopers-help/87646/34 "2001-10-17T02:07:09Z")
Cazzle, you do have a right to **BE** safe, but you do NOT have right to feel safe. Has there ever been a law saying if somebody makes you feel unsafe, they have broken a law? If so I would LOVE to read it. There have been laws saying you are allowed to carry knives. I doubt the laws in most states say you can only carry a knife if you need it. I don’t know of any laws that say you can carry a certain number of knives. In fact, I think tomorrow I’ll carry 4 knives just knowing I’d piss you off if you ever saw me 🙂 I have my 3 inch blade I call a switchblade. It is not a switchblade, but the blade is loose and I can open it with a flick of the wrist. Just because it looks bad doesn’t mean I am going to hurt somebody with it. I doubt the lock would even work good enough to hurt somebody with. Why do I carry it then? Well, it is great for opening boxes one handed, and just 'cause I can. Spud (Of course, my thoughts will probably be discounted quite quickly, but that’s fine.) ---
**Author:** ![Cazzle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cazzle/32/75_2.png) [@Cazzle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cazzle)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2001, 2:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/arrested-for-carrying-a-concealed-weapon-law-dopers-help/87646/35 "2001-10-17T02:21:54Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Doghouse Reilly \* > \*\* > > > [@](#): > > > > \*Originally posted by cazzle \* > > **You’re free to be a Satanist if you want, but if you make a religion out of worshipping evil, you can’t then claim harrassment when people suspect you of evil doings.** > > So say that I’m a Catholic, and there are people out there who read the Left Behind series or Jack Chick’s web site and have therefore arrived at the belief that Catholics are evil. By your logic, I’m free to be a Catholic if I want, but I can’t complain when these nuts accuse me of following the Antichrist. > > Oh, but you were talking about Wiccans. That’s different because **you** know that they _really are_ evil. > > Puh-leez indeed. \*\* As I understand it, you ARE free to be Catholic, and they ARE free to say you follow the AntiChrist if they want. Free speech, free religion, if I believe the Pope is the AntiChrist, I’m allowed to say you’re a subject of the AntiChrist and you’re allowed not to believe it. Still, Catholics go around claiming the follow the Ultimate Good Being, unlike Satanists who follow the Embodiment of All Evil. Tell me how you can expect people to think you’re a good person if you proclaim yourself the servant of Satan. And I resent your remark about my attitude towards Wicca. I neither said nor implied anything about that religion that you could have developed that theory from. I happen to respect Wicca and would never say it is evil, because that’s not the principle it is based on. I have had close friends who were Wiccan, and have enjoyed learning from them what they believe and how Wicca has enriched their lives. When all’s said and done, I’m glad I live in Australia. Americans have crazy ideas when it comes to weaponry, personal safety and civil liberties. ---
**Author:** ![Khampelf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/8e7dd6/32.png) [@Khampelf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Khampelf)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2001, 2:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/arrested-for-carrying-a-concealed-weapon-law-dopers-help/87646/36 "2001-10-17T02:33:00Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Spudgunr \* > > (Of course, my thoughts will probably be discounted quite quickly, but that’s fine.) \*\* Not by me. Cazzle is being a bit paranoid, IMHO. I have a CCW license, issued by the state I live in. It is perfectly legal for me to walk into a bank with my .45 under my arm, or in the open on a belt. Sure, it makes people nervous, Especially bank robbers. I’m a newbie here, but it strikes me we have wandered into Great Debate territory. If the cop had asked me why I needed a knife, I would have told him “Well, if i clip it to my belt, with the blade open, in makes a great Flail.” ---
**Author:** ![mangeorge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/d78d45/32.png) [@mangeorge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mangeorge)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2001, 2:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/arrested-for-carrying-a-concealed-weapon-law-dopers-help/87646/37 "2001-10-17T02:42:09Z")
I agree with the others who said to tell the parents and get a lawyer. And he should demand his knives back. Then he should leave the biggies at home. They’re no defense anyway, unless he really knows how to use them. Don’t just pay the fine and let it go. Complain about the cop, too. This kinda shit’s going to get worse, folks. Peace, mangeorge ---
**Author:** ![mangeorge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/d78d45/32.png) [@mangeorge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mangeorge)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2001, 2:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/arrested-for-carrying-a-concealed-weapon-law-dopers-help/87646/38 "2001-10-17T02:53:59Z")
Well, **The Sonoran Lizard King** , if you come strolling into my bank packing iron you’re going to be staring down the tubes of my 12 ga. Waiting for the cops to arrive so you can explain things to them. Say hi to my brothers Charlie and Lloyd for me. 🙂 And welcome to the boards. Peace, mangeorge ---
**Author:** ![Neurodoc](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/848f3c/32.png) [@Neurodoc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Neurodoc)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2001, 3:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/arrested-for-carrying-a-concealed-weapon-law-dopers-help/87646/39 "2001-10-17T03:45:42Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by cazzle \* > \*\*Oh puh-leeze. > > My right to go out in public without fear of being stabbed by a freak obsessed with knives outweights your right to carry a knife.\*\* I think you are quite wrong. The right of self-defense is a basic idea in common law. Besides, you formulate your opinion incorrectly. You have no “right” whatsoever “to go out in public without fear of being stabbed”…or, in a more general sense, to be “free of fear.” This is despite FDR’s famous fireside chats and his various “Freedoms From” pronouncements. These pronouncements were ex cathedra, sounded nice, but are not to be found anywhere in our Constitution. What you do have is a right and a RESPONSIBILITY to defend yourself. There are plenty of people who would rather have someone else, such as their government and law enforcement personnel, care over them like a doting parent. I have a name for such people…I call them lazy and cowards. ---
**Author:** ![Ned](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/848f3c/32.png) [@Ned](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ned)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2001, 3:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/arrested-for-carrying-a-concealed-weapon-law-dopers-help/87646/40 "2001-10-17T03:50:51Z")
I am not a wisconsin lawyer but have perused the statute and some case law on the subject. The statute prohibits carrying a concealed dangerous weapon which, in turn, is ambiguously defined. The case law is a real dog’s breakfast where a knife may or may not constitute a dangerous weapon depending on the circumstances. This is a technical case that requires counsel. I would bet that a lawyer could have these charges dropped without much effort. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/arrested-for-carrying-a-concealed-weapon-law-dopers-help/87646.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/arrested-for-carrying-a-concealed-weapon-law-dopers-help/87646.md?page=3)