# Arrogant clueless store owner meets brick wall of reality with face
**URL:** https://boards.straightdope.com/t/arrogant-clueless-store-owner-meets-brick-wall-of-reality-with-face/560527
**Category:** The BBQ Pit
**Created:** [November 13, 2010, 3:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/arrogant-clueless-store-owner-meets-brick-wall-of-reality-with-face/560527 "2010-11-13T03:48:54Z")
**Posts on this page:** 20
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### Author:  [@jlzania](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jlzania)
#### Post date: [November 18, 2010, 9:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/arrogant-clueless-store-owner-meets-brick-wall-of-reality-with-face/560527/121 "2010-11-18T21:58:38Z")
> [@LouisB](#):
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> Yes, that one is hauled by a tractor; I would guess the people who move them manually would love to be able to afford a tractor. And I suspect the coop on wheels does require to be cleaned from time to time and the excess feathers disposed of and all the labor inherent in raising chickens stills needs to be done. To my mind, all of this hug your chicken nonsense is a waste of money and effort and I seriously doubt a taste test performed by the average citizen would be useless in determining which chicken was either free range or organic as opposed to those that are farm raised. Does PETA take a position on these critical considerations?
It’s not about ‘hugging your chicken’. It’s about raising the birds humanely and without the use of antibiotics. It’s about using a natural and time-honored method to fertilize your fields instead of spraying them with petroleum products.
It’s about having meat that’s actually nutritious, that won’t make you sick.
We have a **tractor** but it’s not necessary to use it to move our field pens. They designed to be pulled easily along the ground. I weigh 115 pounds and I can move them with no problem.
There isn’t an excess of feathers and, as the mobile coops we use don’t have a floor, nothing really needs to be cleaned except the waterers.
Finally, our repeat customers are proof that there is an enormous difference in taste and quality. The fat is different, the texture is different and there’s no comparison in flavor. Our chicken really tastes like chicken-not a bland mush. We charge 3.50 per pound and we sell out just about every week we go to market although you can often by CAFO chicken for .89 per pound.
Our customers aren’t rich-they buy our chicken because it’s tastes good, it’s raised right and they know they’re not going to get salmonella or E. Coli from eating it.
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### Author:  [@Dag\_Otto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dag_Otto)
#### Post date: [November 19, 2010, 7:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/arrogant-clueless-store-owner-meets-brick-wall-of-reality-with-face/560527/122 "2010-11-19T19:23:39Z")
Late to the thread, but getting back to the OP: Don Otto’s is about the dumbest name ever.
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### Author:  [@LouisB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LouisB)
#### Post date: [November 20, 2010, 11:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/arrogant-clueless-store-owner-meets-brick-wall-of-reality-with-face/560527/123 "2010-11-20T23:05:34Z")
> [@jlzania](#):
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> It’s not about ‘hugging your chicken’. It’s about raising the birds humanely and without the use of antibiotics. It’s about using a natural and time-honored method to fertilize your fields instead of spraying them with petroleum products.
> It’s about having meat that’s actually nutritious, that won’t make you sick.
>
> We have a **tractor** but it’s not necessary to use it to move our field pens. They designed to be pulled easily along the ground. I weigh 115 pounds and I can move them with no problem.
> There isn’t an excess of feathers and, as the mobile coops we use don’t have a floor, nothing really needs to be cleaned except the waterers.
>
> Finally, our repeat customers are proof that there is an enormous difference in taste and quality. The fat is different, the texture is different and there’s no comparison in flavor. Our chicken really tastes like chicken-not a bland mush. We charge 3.50 per pound and we sell out just about every week we go to market although you can often by CAFO chicken for .89 per pound.
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> Our customers aren’t rich-they buy our chicken because it’s tastes good, it’s raised right and they know they’re not going to get salmonella or E. Coli from eating it.
Our chickens were raised humanely as well; my grandfather had a cigar box of blue ribbons his chickens were awarded at the Texas State Fair over the years. I’m just a grouchy old guy who refuses to quit an argument. If your system works for you, that’s great. I dislike chickens enough that I wouldn’t bother with them.
What part of Texas are you from? I grew up in Dallas County myself.
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### Author:  [@jlzania](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jlzania)
#### Post date: [November 21, 2010, 5:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/arrogant-clueless-store-owner-meets-brick-wall-of-reality-with-face/560527/124 "2010-11-21T17:04:04Z")
> [@LouisB](#):
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> Our chickens were raised humanely as well; my grandfather had a cigar box of blue ribbons his chickens were awarded at the Texas State Fair over the years. I’m just a grouchy old guy who refuses to quit an argument. If your system works for you, that’s great. I dislike chickens enough that I wouldn’t bother with them.
> What part of Texas are you from? I grew up in Dallas County myself.
Trust me, it’s not that I have an overweaning love for chickens,except on my dinner plate.We raise chickens because it’s the best way I know to use our 20 acres to earn a decent living by farming.
However, I do insist that any meat I eat is raised and slaughtered humanely- as much for my benefit as any thing else.
CAFO meat is just plain disgusting. And I really don’t trust the big processing outfits.
We employed a young man last year who had previously worked at the Sanderson Farms slaughter house in Bryan for 3 months.
He had a fungal infection under every nail from handling those birds.
We farm outside Lexington in Lee County.
We’re lucky in that we’re only 50 miles from Austin and Bastrop which gives us a solid market of foodies for our birds.
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### Author:  [@Ludovic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ludovic)
#### Post date: [November 21, 2010, 7:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/arrogant-clueless-store-owner-meets-brick-wall-of-reality-with-face/560527/125 "2010-11-21T19:01:39Z")
> [@jlzania](#):
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> It’s not about ‘hugging your chicken’.
Good thing, too, or you’d produce poultry that are hazardous to vision!
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### Author:  [@Smeghead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smeghead)
#### Post date: [November 22, 2010, 10:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/arrogant-clueless-store-owner-meets-brick-wall-of-reality-with-face/560527/126 "2010-11-22T10:58:06Z")
Dammit. I keep opening this thread, because I was interested in the original story. I keep forgetting that it’s turned into a discussion on chicken-rearing techniques.
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### Author:  [@The\_Tao\_s\_Revenge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Tao_s_Revenge)
#### Post date: [November 22, 2010, 12:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/arrogant-clueless-store-owner-meets-brick-wall-of-reality-with-face/560527/127 "2010-11-22T12:45:03Z")
> [@foolsguinea](#):
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> Dumb retailer loses his store, we’ve seen it before. I’m hijacking this joint.Oh, so twenty-somethings don’t deserve to make a living?
Not if they’re going about it like tools. The old mom and pop type shop at least has the argument of tradition.
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### Author:  [@Harmonious\_Discord](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Harmonious_Discord)
#### Post date: [November 22, 2010, 2:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/arrogant-clueless-store-owner-meets-brick-wall-of-reality-with-face/560527/128 "2010-11-22T14:11:13Z")
> [@Smeghead](#):
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> Dammit. I keep opening this thread, because I was interested in the original story. I keep forgetting that it’s turned into a discussion on chicken-rearing techniques.
Yes. It makes me madder than a wet hen.
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### Author:  [@jlzania](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jlzania)
#### Post date: [November 23, 2010, 12:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/arrogant-clueless-store-owner-meets-brick-wall-of-reality-with-face/560527/129 "2010-11-23T00:55:54Z")
I apologize for my contributions to the fowl highjacking of this thread.
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### Author:  [@descamisado](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/descamisado)
#### Post date: [November 23, 2010, 1:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/arrogant-clueless-store-owner-meets-brick-wall-of-reality-with-face/560527/130 "2010-11-23T01:09:30Z")
Don’t worry; no harm, no fowl.
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### Author:  [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)
#### Post date: [November 23, 2010, 1:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/arrogant-clueless-store-owner-meets-brick-wall-of-reality-with-face/560527/131 "2010-11-23T01:22:50Z")
If I cared, I would flip you the bird.
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### Author:  [@Smeghead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smeghead)
#### Post date: [November 23, 2010, 1:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/arrogant-clueless-store-owner-meets-brick-wall-of-reality-with-face/560527/132 "2010-11-23T01:51:03Z")
You cock.
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### Author:  [@Nametag](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nametag)
#### Post date: [November 23, 2010, 3:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/arrogant-clueless-store-owner-meets-brick-wall-of-reality-with-face/560527/133 "2010-11-23T03:55:55Z")
Stop! Don’t egg these people on!
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### Author:  [@Mithril](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mithril)
#### Post date: [November 23, 2010, 11:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/arrogant-clueless-store-owner-meets-brick-wall-of-reality-with-face/560527/134 "2010-11-23T11:50:33Z")
> [@jlzania](#):
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> I apologize for my contributions to the fowl highjacking of this thread.
**jlzania** , would you consider starting an “Ask the Organic Farmer” thread?
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### Author:  [@jlzania](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jlzania)
#### Post date: [November 24, 2010, 8:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/arrogant-clueless-store-owner-meets-brick-wall-of-reality-with-face/560527/135 "2010-11-24T20:53:35Z")
I’m flattered,\*\* Mithril\*\* but I’m not an organic farmer per se-I operate in a very niche market, sustainable pastured poultry.
I suspect dopers would be more interested in hearing from an organic vegetable farmer-if they had any interest in alternative farming at all.
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### Author:  [@Nava](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nava)
#### Post date: [November 26, 2010, 10:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/arrogant-clueless-store-owner-meets-brick-wall-of-reality-with-face/560527/136 "2010-11-26T10:21:49Z")
Alex, I’ll take “Ask the chicken farmer” for 200.
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### Author:  [@gaffa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gaffa)
#### Post date: [November 26, 2010, 6:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/arrogant-clueless-store-owner-meets-brick-wall-of-reality-with-face/560527/137 "2010-11-26T18:30:44Z")
> [@zoid](#):
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> You don’t _get_ rich by spending.
How very true. In my experience, rich people get that way by the simple expedient of not giving any money to anyone else. If I had a thousand dollars for every millionaire who has whined about what I charge for my services or product…why, I’d be a millionaire!
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### Author:  [@saje](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/saje)
#### Post date: [November 26, 2010, 7:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/arrogant-clueless-store-owner-meets-brick-wall-of-reality-with-face/560527/138 "2010-11-26T19:27:32Z")
> [@jlzania](#):
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> I apologize for my contributions to the fowl highjacking of this thread.
Ahhh, **jlz** , I’ve missed you! 🆒 Yes, I’m _that_ saje, I’m broadening my horizons 😃
[/hijack]
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### Author:  [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)
#### Post date: [November 26, 2010, 8:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/arrogant-clueless-store-owner-meets-brick-wall-of-reality-with-face/560527/139 "2010-11-26T20:24:29Z")
> [@Raiko](#):
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> The problem with passing uneccesary laws is that they are often coupled with several thousand ear-marks and pork barrel spending.
There’s an argument that “ear-marks and pork barrel spending” is exactly what a legislature is _supposed_ to do.
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### Author:  [@jlzania](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jlzania)
#### Post date: [November 26, 2010, 11:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/arrogant-clueless-store-owner-meets-brick-wall-of-reality-with-face/560527/140 "2010-11-26T23:01:39Z")
[Total hijack) **Saje!**
(Squeals girlishly with delight.) I’ve missed you too. Great to see you here. I’m very much a lurker on the Dope and have been for years and years. Every once in a while I wander into a thread but it’s not very often. [/hijack over]
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