# Arrow - Season 4 Thread **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [October 7, 2015, 11:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/arrow-season-4-thread/733881 "2015-10-07T23:59:36Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Alan\_Smithee](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/2acd7d/32.png) [@Alan\_Smithee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alan_Smithee)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2015, 4:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/arrow-season-4-thread/733881/21 "2015-10-16T04:43:24Z")
> [@MaxTheVool](#): > > I thought it was a bit odd how they were making such a huge deal of the fact that Speedy might have killed someone. Yes, Ollie tries to no longer kill people. But didn’t Diggle kill some goons with a pistol moments earlier? It’s one thing to not randomly shoot arrows into random thugs when you can just disable them, but since when is using deadly force in entirely legitimate self defense something that is so horrifying to Team Arrow that it requires an intervention? > And does Lance-is-working-with-Damien-Darkh make any sense to anyone? Lance has never had the clearest judgment. But it’s the other thing that _really_ makes no sense. DIGGLE: \ OLLIE: Thea, you’re HURTING that man! ---
**Author:** ![Fenris](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fenris/32/498_2.png) [@Fenris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fenris)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2015, 12:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/arrow-season-4-thread/733881/22 "2015-10-19T00:40:25Z")
> [@Ike\_Witt](#): > > The guy with the firing/salary algorithm at Palmer. Based on his name and his brainpower, I agree he’ll be Mr. Terrific, but he shouldn’t be. The kid’s too tiny to be Mr. Terrific. That kid is…what? 120 pounds soaking wet? Mr Terrific should be huge. Actually, if it’s not going to be Diggle (and it should be, dammit), the other black guy–the hardass corporate exec–physically looks the part. The kid is a much better actor, but seriously–I’m not buying him as Mr. Terrific. Also, Drake–Black Canary’s daddy–his (fake?) accent was charming in the first few seasons, but he’s laying it on so damned thickly that he sounds like a cartoon character. Also, the character can’t make up his mind if he’s a total douche or a total hypocrite. Either way, the character is seriously getting annoying. ---
**Author:** ![N9IWP](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/n9iwp/32/3154_2.png) [@N9IWP](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/N9IWP)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2015, 1:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/arrow-season-4-thread/733881/23 "2015-10-19T01:21:10Z")
I am also wondering what the limit on the Lazarus Pit is. Would it resurrect Otzi the ice man? Lucy? (The Australopithecus, not the peanuts character) Brian ---
**Author:** ![Fenris](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fenris/32/498_2.png) [@Fenris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fenris)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2015, 1:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/arrow-season-4-thread/733881/24 "2015-10-19T01:37:39Z")
A few years back, Ras threatened to use it on Thomas and Martha Wayne and Bruce thought it would work, so at least ~25 years. ---
**Author:** ![Alan\_Smithee](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/2acd7d/32.png) [@Alan\_Smithee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alan_Smithee)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2015, 1:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/arrow-season-4-thread/733881/25 "2015-10-19T01:43:23Z")
I know Marvel did big zombie thing a few years ago, and DC did it with Blackest Night, but have they ever considered spraying the planet with the liquid from the Lazarus Pits in order to bring about a mass raising of the dead? ---
**Author:** ![Fenris](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fenris/32/498_2.png) [@Fenris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fenris)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2015, 2:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/arrow-season-4-thread/733881/26 "2015-10-19T02:14:56Z")
The handwave they’ve given with the Lazarus Pit is that there’s only a few in the world and each one is only good for a few resurrections per year/decade/century/whatever’s convenient for the story before they have to renew themselves. There was a story a while back (2004-ish) about Bats going around the world blowing up the few remaining working Lazarus Pits. ---
**Author:** ![Alan\_Smithee](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/2acd7d/32.png) [@Alan\_Smithee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alan_Smithee)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2015, 2:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/arrow-season-4-thread/733881/27 "2015-10-19T02:59:01Z")
Well, clearly the ironclad rules of logic and consistency comic books are known for means that they could never do anything like I suggest. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Fenris](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fenris/32/498_2.png) [@Fenris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fenris)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2015, 1:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/arrow-season-4-thread/733881/28 "2015-10-19T13:00:25Z")
> [@Alan\_Smithee](#): > > Well, clearly the ironclad rules of logic and consistency comic books are known for means that they could never do anything like I suggest. 😉 Heh–you want “ironclad rules of logic and consistancy”, check out what the Lazarus Pit _does_. Depending on the story: 1. Except for Ras, it raises the dead as something like a high-functioning zombie. 2. It brings you back…but eeeeevil. If you’re already eeeeevil, it makes you eeeeevil-er. 3. You come back, but soulless (no real info on what this actually _does_. 4. You come out of it just fine (outside of being a crazy rage-monster for a while. But all versions have this side-effect) 5. Sort of something between 4 and 5. You come back fine…the first time. Each subsequent time it’s used, you become more soulless/evil. Internal consistency has never applied to the Lazarus Pit. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Ike\_Witt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ike_witt/32/283_2.png) [@Ike\_Witt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ike_Witt)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2015, 3:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/arrow-season-4-thread/733881/29 "2015-10-22T03:32:55Z")
T-Spheres. We see T-Spheres. ---
**Author:** ![Terminus\_Est](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/terminus_est/32/3087_2.png) [@Terminus\_Est](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Terminus_Est)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2015, 1:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/arrow-season-4-thread/733881/30 "2015-10-22T13:37:36Z")
I like assertive Felicity laying down the law to Diggle and Queen. I hope we see more of that instead of weepy Felicity from last season. ---
**Author:** ![Tangent](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tangent/32/3098_2.png) [@Tangent](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tangent)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2015, 4:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/arrow-season-4-thread/733881/31 "2015-10-22T16:17:51Z")
Yeah, I liked that, too. And while I don’t want Felicity going out ‘in the field,’ it might be a good idea for her to have some firearm training. I was cringing like crazy when she was firing that gun and hitting pretty much everything but her target. So, how does reviving Sara in the pit allow Thea’s bloodlust to be cured? ---
**Author:** ![Ike\_Witt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ike_witt/32/283_2.png) [@Ike\_Witt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ike_Witt)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2015, 5:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/arrow-season-4-thread/733881/32 "2015-10-22T17:59:21Z")
Oliver taking a ‘bullet’ for Diggle just reinforces my notion that Diggle ends up dead. ---
**Author:** ![MaxTheVool](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9fc29f/32.png) [@MaxTheVool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MaxTheVool)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2015, 6:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/arrow-season-4-thread/733881/33 "2015-10-22T18:33:35Z")
> [@Tangent](#): > > So, how does reviving Sara in the pit allow Thea’s bloodlust to be cured? Was there an implication that it does? Malcolm did say something like “you will have the bloodlust until you kill the one that hurt you”, which strongly makes me suspect that she will end up killing him. But I don’t think there’s an implication that that has already happened. Definitely a fun and goofy episode. ---
**Author:** ![TBG](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c89c15/32.png) [@TBG](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TBG)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2015, 10:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/arrow-season-4-thread/733881/34 "2015-10-22T22:32:51Z")
That hipster doof is supposed to me Mr Terrific? Bleh. Ollie’s Island gets about as much traffic as Gilligan’s it seems. ---
**Author:** ![BrianJ](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/54ee81/32.png) [@BrianJ](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrianJ)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2015, 11:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/arrow-season-4-thread/733881/35 "2015-10-22T23:54:56Z")
So any theories on what’s up with Felicity’s phone? ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2015, 12:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/arrow-season-4-thread/733881/36 "2015-10-23T00:27:44Z")
> [@MaxTheVool](#): > > Was there an implication that it does? > > Malcolm did say something like “you will have the bloodlust until you kill the one that hurt you”, which strongly makes me suspect that she will end up killing him. But I don’t think there’s an implication that that has already happened. > Definitely a fun and goofy episode. Malcom told thea that he would do anything for his daughter and was raising Sarah as evidence for that - nothing could ‘cure’ the bloodlust except the occaisonal bloodletting, and maybe Malcom was going to sacrifice parts of his army to her. The only thing that could cure her bloodlust was to kill the one that hurt her. Thea’s response was that ‘Ras was already dead’ - but the reality is that Ras is only the on that ‘almost’ killed her - not neccisiarily the one that ‘hurt’ her - which could either be malcomdaddy or olliebrother. > [@TBG](#): > > That hipster doof is supposed to me Mr Terrific? Bleh. > Ollie’s Island gets about as much traffic as Gilligan’s it seems. Next week, the Harlem Globetrotters! > [@BrianJ](#): > > So any theories on what’s up with Felicity’s phone? It’s going to be Palmer, aka ‘The Atom’ - remember, he was working on miniturization tech when things went boom. “Felicity, I shrunk the CEO” ---
**Author:** ![Plumpudding](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/edb3f5/32.png) [@Plumpudding](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Plumpudding)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2015, 8:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/arrow-season-4-thread/733881/37 "2015-10-25T20:50:56Z")
From the last episode, episode 3: Whiny Sister: “Thanks for the fatherly advice! Can you just for a, a second pretend to be a normal father?! Can you do that dad? Do you have anything remotely normal to offer me?” “Normal” Evil Jack Harkness Dad: “Alright… There is something, high in the mountains… A man! Some call him a sage, he has a way with the ancient… [awkward pause] Arts of healing! Blablabla Proud “Normal” Jack Harkness Dad: “…Now, does that qualify as being normal?” Grumpy Frumpy Whiny Sister: “Normal enough!” Just thought it was a funny exchange. I watch this show for the writing! ---
**Author:** ![epbrown01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7ba0ec/32.png) [@epbrown01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/epbrown01)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2015, 3:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/arrow-season-4-thread/733881/38 "2015-10-26T15:44:16Z")
> [@simster](#): > > It’s going to be Palmer, aka ‘The Atom’ - remember, he was working on miniturization tech when things went boom. > > “Felicity, I shrunk the CEO” Yep, as both shows seem to be ramping up for the DC Legends debut. **The Flash** has been prepping Firestorm and Captain Cold, and **Arrow** is gearing up The Atom and… Canary? So Palmer also returning from the dead seems about due… And seriously, are we sure Ollie wasn’t in Hawaii? Some of the islands there see less traffic! ---
**Author:** ![Ethilrist](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ethilrist/32/4604_2.png) [@Ethilrist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ethilrist)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2015, 8:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/arrow-season-4-thread/733881/39 "2015-10-28T20:29:10Z")
> [@MaxTheVool](#): > > Malcolm did say something like “you will have the bloodlust until you kill the one that hurt you” I’m thinking that’s gotta work out poorly for Thea… ---
**Author:** ![Tangent](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tangent/32/3098_2.png) [@Tangent](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tangent)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2015, 3:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/arrow-season-4-thread/733881/40 "2015-10-29T03:11:30Z")
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