# Arrow - Season 4 Thread **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [October 7, 2015, 11:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/arrow-season-4-thread/733881 "2015-10-07T23:59:36Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Lightnin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lightnin/32/180_2.png) [@Lightnin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lightnin)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2016, 5:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/arrow-season-4-thread/733881/81 "2016-02-12T17:46:18Z")
> [@Tangent](#): > > Yeah, I doubt they’d kill the kid. > > I thought Oliver defeated Malcolm way too easily. So did I. Even after he was disarmed (heh), I figured it was just some sort of secret plan between Ollie and Malcolm. Malcolm’s supposed to be a bad-ass martial artist, and Oliver handed him his ass way too easily for it to be real. ---
**Author:** ![MaxTheVool](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9fc29f/32.png) [@MaxTheVool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MaxTheVool)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2016, 6:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/arrow-season-4-thread/733881/82 "2016-02-12T18:48:02Z")
> [@Lightnin](#): > > So did I. Even after he was disarmed (heh), I figured it was just some sort of secret plan between Ollie and Malcolm. Malcolm’s supposed to be a bad-ass martial artist, and Oliver handed him his ass way too easily for it to be real. Yeah, a lot of this last episode wasn’t particularly convincing to me… Malcolm cleverly ambushes Nyssa and her troops, but doesn’t bother having anyone approach from the rear to cut off their escape, etc. And as for the LofA politics, who cares? We’ve never gotten a clear enough explanation of who precisely they are, what they do, and how they have an inexhaustible supply of quasi-effective ninjas no matter how many have already been killed, to really care one way or the other. ---
**Author:** ![N9IWP](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/n9iwp/32/3154_2.png) [@N9IWP](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/N9IWP)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2016, 11:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/arrow-season-4-thread/733881/83 "2016-02-17T11:44:25Z")
Could it be William’s mom in the grave? Explains why Felicity wouldn’t be there, and since Barry knows the whole story it sort of explains his presence. Brian ---
**Author:** ![crazyjoe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f14d63/32.png) [@crazyjoe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crazyjoe)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2016, 4:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/arrow-season-4-thread/733881/84 "2016-02-17T16:21:53Z")
> [@N9IWP](#): > > Could it be William’s mom in the grave? Explains why Felicity wouldn’t be there, and since Barry knows the whole story it sort of explains his presence. > > Brian Felicity was there…she was in the limo Ollie gets in after the visit. ---
**Author:** ![N9IWP](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/n9iwp/32/3154_2.png) [@N9IWP](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/N9IWP)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2016, 6:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/arrow-season-4-thread/733881/85 "2016-02-17T18:00:51Z")
> [@crazyjoe](#): > > Felicity was there…she was in the limo Ollie gets in after the visit. I meant actually at the grave Brian ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2016, 7:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/arrow-season-4-thread/733881/86 "2016-02-17T19:07:26Z")
> [@N9IWP](#): > > I meant actually at the grave > > Brian probably didn’t have wheelchair access. ---
**Author:** ![Tangent](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tangent/32/3098_2.png) [@Tangent](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tangent)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2016, 11:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/arrow-season-4-thread/733881/87 "2016-02-26T23:05:04Z")
Oh boy, Oliver’s worlds were colliding this week. I was cringing for him in that scene where his baby mama was meeting his ex-girlfriend, Laurel, whom he was cheating on when he was with said baby mama, and his fiancée (or not), Felicity, who is pissed he didn’t tell her about the kid. While Diggle and Thea watch in awkward silence. That was rough. The visiting hero–the woman with the magic necklace–was a little lame. I take it her character, Vixen, has an animated series that the Arrow shows up in–but this is her first appearance on this show. I thought they took out Dahrk a little too easily, but I’m going to assume he will find a way to regain his powers. Malcolm is such a bad person. I’m glad Thea was finally saying ‘enough.’ ---
**Author:** ![Ike\_Witt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ike_witt/32/283_2.png) [@Ike\_Witt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ike_Witt)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2016, 4:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/arrow-season-4-thread/733881/88 "2016-02-27T04:04:28Z")
It was great/sad when Felicity walked out on Oliver. ---
**Author:** ![crazyjoe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f14d63/32.png) [@crazyjoe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crazyjoe)\ **Post date:** [February 29, 2016, 4:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/arrow-season-4-thread/733881/89 "2016-02-29T16:09:28Z")
I’m about ready to dump this show. Last week, we had the team trying to “tail” someone by following it with wholly inconspicuous green dirt-bikes doing trick jumps. This week we saw Vixen appear with a radically altered storyline…now she’s from Detroit. OK, fine, we even got a nice establishing shot of the the Ren Cen building from across the river in Windsor. Then at one point in the episode, she says she sent some research back to a colleague at Detroit University. WTF? How many people are there that don’t know that Detroit is in Michigan (many many people think it’s the capital). So why not use the name of an actual university with some renown? Like the University of Michigan? If not, at least use a name of a real fucking university…Detroit University? It’s like they don’t even want to bother writing the damn show at all. ---
**Author:** ![Declan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ecae2f/32.png) [@Declan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Declan)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2016, 1:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/arrow-season-4-thread/733881/90 "2016-03-03T01:45:17Z")
Is the Flash and Arrow on hiatus for a month ? Declan ---
**Author:** ![Terminus\_Est](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/terminus_est/32/3087_2.png) [@Terminus\_Est](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Terminus_Est)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2016, 2:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/arrow-season-4-thread/733881/91 "2016-03-03T02:10:47Z")
Yes, _The Flash_ comes back March 22 and _Arrow_ comes back the next day. _Legends of Tomorrow_ still has an episode scheduled for this week and next week before itself going on a two-week break. ---
**Author:** ![Declan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ecae2f/32.png) [@Declan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Declan)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2016, 3:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/arrow-season-4-thread/733881/92 "2016-03-03T03:49:46Z")
> [@Terminus\_Est](#): > > Yes, _The Flash_ comes back March 22 and _Arrow_ comes back the next day. _Legends of Tomorrow_ still has an episode scheduled for this week and next week before itself going on a two-week break. Thanks Terminus Thank god Agents of Shield starts back up next week, with three DC’s out of my viewing line up. I hate waiting for new eps. Declan ---
**Author:** ![Terminus\_Est](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/terminus_est/32/3087_2.png) [@Terminus\_Est](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Terminus_Est)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2016, 8:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/arrow-season-4-thread/733881/93 "2016-03-31T08:43:54Z")
This show has taken to borrowing villains from _The Flash_ to be any good. (Also breaking up Olicity.) Bree Larvin was a better fit on _Arrow_ anyway. They’re more of a challenge here since you can’t shoot individual bees with arrows. Plus the Canary Cry was actually useful. Maybe they could also borrow the Banshee effect from _Supergirl_? Mr Terrific filled in the Felicity role for Team Arrow really well. Arguably better than Felicity ever has. When is he getting a mask? ---
**Author:** ![Reluctant\_A](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/839c29/32.png) [@Reluctant\_A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Reluctant_A)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2016, 3:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/arrow-season-4-thread/733881/94 "2016-03-31T15:16:14Z")
Wow; backhand full of knuckles on that praise… But, anyway, how long has Diggle had a code name? ---
**Author:** ![Tangent](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tangent/32/3098_2.png) [@Tangent](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tangent)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2016, 4:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/arrow-season-4-thread/733881/95 "2016-04-01T04:20:33Z")
I think it was near the beginning of this season, on one of their evening patrols they mentioned he needed a code name and pretty soon after he started using one. I liked Curtis a lot in this ep. I’m not a fan of mopey Felicity. I don’t remember bee girl from _Flash_. Is that Beth from _Walking Dead_? ---
**Author:** ![Terminus\_Est](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/terminus_est/32/3087_2.png) [@Terminus\_Est](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Terminus_Est)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2016, 4:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/arrow-season-4-thread/733881/96 "2016-04-01T04:30:33Z")
> [@Tangent](#): > > I don’t remember bee girl from _Flash_. Is that Beth from _Walking Dead_? She was the metahuman-of-the-week when Ray and Felicity came to visit Central City. At least she can be credited with being from where Ray got the idea to go smaller with the A.T.O.M. suit. ---
**Author:** ![N9IWP](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/n9iwp/32/3154_2.png) [@N9IWP](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/N9IWP)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2016, 11:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/arrow-season-4-thread/733881/97 "2016-04-07T11:07:42Z")
Guess we know who is in the grave now. Though what Laurel asked Ollie to promise is the big question Sounds like Earth-1 Laurel is more than just mostly dead: > **[‘Arrow’ Boss Explains Grave Shocker: “We Knew That It Would Enrage a Lot of...](https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/tv/tv-news/arrow-laurel-dies-katie-cassidy-2-881297/)** > > A core member of Team Arrow was revealed to have been in the flash-forward grave. Here, EPs Marc Guggenheim and Wendy Mericle break down what’s next in the wake of the major loss. Brian ---
**Author:** ![Terminus\_Est](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/terminus_est/32/3087_2.png) [@Terminus\_Est](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Terminus_Est)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2016, 1:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/arrow-season-4-thread/733881/98 "2016-04-07T13:18:01Z")
So that’s whom they’re going with to be in the grave. Maybe they can get word to Sara somehow and she take Laurel’s body back to a time when the Lazarus Pit was still active. Then John Constantine can pay another visit because bloodlust. Or maybe they’ll just turn the show into _Felicity and Friends_. According to reports, Katie Cassidy was seen filming with the Flash crew. ---
**Author:** ![Tangent](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tangent/32/3098_2.png) [@Tangent](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tangent)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2016, 2:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/arrow-season-4-thread/733881/99 "2016-04-07T14:44:11Z")
> [@Terminus\_Est](#): > > According to reports, > > Katie Cassidy was seen filming with the Flash crew. I heard she will be playing her Earth 2 doppelganger. ---
**Author:** ![MaxTheVool](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9fc29f/32.png) [@MaxTheVool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MaxTheVool)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2016, 6:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/arrow-season-4-thread/733881/100 "2016-04-07T18:03:08Z")
There was a lot to like in this episode, but it was hampered by SO MUCH STUPID. So your nearly invincible foe is finally defeated because you smash is magic idol. Do you: (a) Ground the pieces to dust and scatter them to the wind or (b) Reassemble all of it, except for one bit, and then hide that one bit not particularly well, and put the rest of it on display in your not-very-secret lair? I mean, come ON!!! Sheesh. The irritating thing is you could change what happened just slightly and have it be a fine episode… the pieces of the idol are all in an evidence room at the police station, so first someone gets them from there and reassembles them, then Darkh discovers that a piece is missing, which was (cleverly) stolen by one of Team Arrow, but they were unable to destroy it, so they hid it… Probably still a bit of stupid there, but several orders of magnitude less, and you can still hit most of the same story beats. Grrr. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/arrow-season-4-thread/733881.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/arrow-season-4-thread/733881.md?page=6)