# (Artemis related) flatearthers -\> moon also flat? **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [April 4, 2026, 4:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/artemis-related-flatearthers-moon-also-flat/1029026 "2026-04-04T16:37:21Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 19\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2026, 3:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/artemis-related-flatearthers-moon-also-flat/1029026/21 "2026-04-06T03:58:12Z")
> [@Steven\_Maven](#): > > Here is a great PR stunt for one of the 3 space tourism companies. They should issue a press release offering a free top tier ride to the president of The Flat Earth Society, making sure to mention the retail price. > > There is only one condition. Upon return he (presumably) must publicly acknowledge that the Earth is indeed a sphere and disband the organization. As an aside, there actually _was_ an incident a few years back where a flat earth preacher arranged an expedition to Antarctica to prove his theory, only to come away concluding that the Earth is round after all and his beliefs were wrong. > **[The Final Experiment (expedition)](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Final_Experiment_(expedition))** > > The Final Experiment was a 2024 expedition to Antarctica to test the validity of modern flat Earth beliefs. > The expedition, which took three years of preparation, was organized by Will Duffy, an American Christian pastor who invited a total of forty-eight online content creators to Antarctica to witness the midnight sun, a natural phenomenon that contradicts most flat Earth beliefs. The actual expedition included both flat Earthers and "globe Earthers" (people who accept the spherical shape of... > According to Duffy’s website, both flat Earthers and their opponents agreed that being able to observe the Sun in the sky over Antarctica for 24 hours continuously would refute the idea of a flat Earth… > > After traveling from Chile to Union Glacier Camp in West Antarctica, expedition members livestreamed the midnight sun for several days. The participating flat Earthers all admitted that the midnight sun was a real phenomenon. > > Jeran Campanella, an American YouTuber popular among flat Earth content creators as “Jeranism”, acknowledged that his flat Earth model was no longer valid after witnessing the midnight sun firsthand. ---
**Author:** ![Shalmanese](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/45deac/32.png) [@Shalmanese](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shalmanese)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2026, 4:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/artemis-related-flatearthers-moon-also-flat/1029026/22 "2026-04-06T04:12:18Z")
> [@Steven\_Maven](#): > > There is only one condition. Upon return he (presumably) must publicly acknowledge that the Earth is indeed a sphere and disband the organization. They would just conclude that the company used CGI outside the windows and if they’re going to such effort to fool the top flat earthers, what _else_ must they be hiding? Flat Eartherism isn’t primarily about the topography of the earth, it’s about how, if the government is tricking the normies about such a fundamental aspect of our existence, what else might they be hiding that only flat earthers are capable of uncovering? I recommend this amazing video by Dan Olsen/Folding Ideas, the truth bomb they drop right in the middle of it had my jaw to the floor: > **[In Search Of A Flat Earth](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JTfhYyTuT44?1)** > > Clickbait Title: The Twist at 37 Minutes Will Make You Believe We Live In HellMore Lake Footage: https://youtu.be/y8MboQzXO1oThis has taken a long time to ma... ---
**Author:** ![Al128](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/al128/32/16541_2.png) [@Al128](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Al128)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2026, 1:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/artemis-related-flatearthers-moon-also-flat/1029026/23 "2026-04-06T13:03:27Z")
Will I become dumber, watching this video? ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2026, 9:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/artemis-related-flatearthers-moon-also-flat/1029026/24 "2026-04-06T21:53:16Z")
Dan is rather intelligent. He’s exploring sociological phenomena, not promoting backwards thinking. The irony is that these conspiracy theories think real life things are all linked, when it’s actually the conspiracy nutters who are all linked together. One conspiracy theory begets another. ---
**Author:** ![Mangetout](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mangetout/32/19_2.png) [@Mangetout](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mangetout)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2026, 11:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/artemis-related-flatearthers-moon-also-flat/1029026/25 "2026-04-07T11:05:07Z")
That’s the way the whole thing works, well a lot of it… As far as I can tell, the flat earther movement consists of three categories of people: 1. People who earnestly believe it, but lack any kind of understanding of simple geometry like perspective and lack any curiosity about testing things they want to believe, and want to feel empowered that they know something that most other people, including learned people, don’t 2. People who know it’s BS, but are using it to purposely manipulate the folks in category 1 to their own benefit. 3. Trolls. ---
**Author:** ![DPRK](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/4491bb/32.png) [@DPRK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DPRK)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2026, 11:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/artemis-related-flatearthers-moon-also-flat/1029026/26 "2026-04-07T11:32:51Z")
> [@Mangetout](#): > > People “People”? And here I thought the Flat Earther Movement consisted of one guy with a PO box in New Brunswick. ---
**Author:** ![Voyager](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/voyager/32/133_2.png) [@Voyager](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Voyager)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2026, 5:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/artemis-related-flatearthers-moon-also-flat/1029026/27 "2026-04-07T17:28:43Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > As an aside, there actually _was_ an incident a few years back where a flat earth preacher arranged an expedition to Antarctica to prove his theory, only to come away concluding that the Earth is round after all and his beliefs were wrong. Will Duffy is a creationist, but not a flat earther. Even before the TFE. He did pay for two flat earthers, and one normal person to go. One of them was convinced and renounced the movement, to the hatred of the flerfs. > [@Steven\_Maven](#): > > Here is a great PR stunt for one of the 3 space tourism companies. They should issue a press release offering a free top tier ride to the president of The Flat Earth Society, making sure to mention the retail price. I think there is a Flat Earth Society, but it is a parody group, not a real flat earth group. Real flat earhers just have lots of followers. They’d probably claim that the windows of the spacecraft were gimmicked to make the earth look round. These people’s livelihoods depend on the grift, so don’t think a free flight is going to change their minds. ---
**Author:** ![wolfpup](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpup/32/10618_2.png) [@wolfpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfpup)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2026, 6:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/artemis-related-flatearthers-moon-also-flat/1029026/28 "2026-04-07T18:27:05Z")
> [@Voyager](#): > > > [@Smapti](#): > > > > As an aside, there actually _was_ an incident a few years back where a flat earth preacher arranged an expedition to Antarctica to prove his theory, only to come away concluding that the Earth is round after all and his beliefs were wrong. > > Will Duffy is a creationist, but not a flat earther. Even before the TFE. He did pay for two flat earthers, and one normal person to go. One of them was convinced and renounced the movement, to the hatred of the flerfs. Good for the flerfs! 😁 Flat-earthism requires such a large set of comically incorrect beliefs and evidence-ignoring that one more would make no difference. The flerfs already have to account for the concept of day and night. If I were a committed flerf, I’d simply posit that the Arctic and Antarctic were special places on the flat earth continuum that had exceptionally long days and nights due to the influence of telekinetic vortices of ectoplasm. Proof of a flat earth could be obtained by simply looking around the Antarctic itself. See? It’s flat! 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Exapno\_Mapcase](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/exapno_mapcase/32/1051_2.png) [@Exapno\_Mapcase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Exapno_Mapcase)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2026, 6:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/artemis-related-flatearthers-moon-also-flat/1029026/29 "2026-04-07T18:54:35Z")
The subreddit called r/flatearth is not a real flat earther (flerher) site, but one that exists to comment on and mock real flat earther comments. The people who dig up this stuff probably need to have their brains drained and refreshed every 30 views because of the cesspool of ignorance they have to wade through. Fun place to dip into, though. Artemis hit the flerhers hard, so all they can do is ridicule NASA and its fake news. A video from SciManDan, who takes apart this nonsense, looked at two top flerhers livestreaming the Artemis launch. Beautiful example of “if you have nothing to say, say it loud.” Here it is from YouTube. [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/NuesVbR-hF0/maxresdefault.jpg "Two Flat Earthers Get Super Triggered Over the New Moon Mission") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NuesVbR-hF0) ---
**Author:** ![wolfpup](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpup/32/10618_2.png) [@wolfpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfpup)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2026, 7:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/artemis-related-flatearthers-moon-also-flat/1029026/30 "2026-04-07T19:18:44Z")
I couldn’t stand to watch that video for more than a few minutes, but I liked the part where the flat-earther casts doubt on the reality of the Artemis mission because “four people in a space that small would kill each other” long before 10 days had elapsed! What a terrific example of projection! Yes, flerf, or flerher, I’m sure you and your kind definitely would kill each other in short order. But the actual astronauts were carefully evaluated for things like mental stability and high intelligence, traits in which you, flerf or flerher, are totally lacking. 😁 ---
**Author:** ![Exapno\_Mapcase](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/exapno_mapcase/32/1051_2.png) [@Exapno\_Mapcase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Exapno_Mapcase)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2026, 8:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/artemis-related-flatearthers-moon-also-flat/1029026/31 "2026-04-07T20:10:27Z")
I was thinking: ever hear of a submarine? BTW, you’re right, it’s flerfer. Even reading about them gives a normal person bhrain fharts. ---
**Author:** ![Voyager](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/voyager/32/133_2.png) [@Voyager](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Voyager)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2026, 1:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/artemis-related-flatearthers-moon-also-flat/1029026/32 "2026-04-08T01:37:42Z")
Go and subscribe to Dan’s channel. Good stuff, though often he doesn’t go into enough depth. Amusingly Dave Weiss makes his money from an app which shows you how far you are from other flerfs. The package he uses to compute the distance assumes a globe earth. His app also exposes the addresses of all those who use it. ---
**Author:** ![Voyager](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/voyager/32/133_2.png) [@Voyager](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Voyager)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2026, 1:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/artemis-related-flatearthers-moon-also-flat/1029026/33 "2026-04-08T01:39:22Z")
> [@wolfpup](#): > > I couldn’t stand to watch that video for more than a few minutes, but I liked the part where the flat-earther casts doubt on the reality of the Artemis mission because “four people in a space that small would kill each other” long before 10 days had elapsed! I liked that it couldn’t be real because the toilet isn’t big enough. Just to note that the Gemini astronauts went for longer missions with even less room. ---
**Author:** ![DesertDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/desertdog/32/11503_2.png) [@DesertDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DesertDog)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2026, 1:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/artemis-related-flatearthers-moon-also-flat/1029026/34 "2026-04-08T01:45:08Z")
> [@Voyager](#): > > The package he uses to compute the distance assumes a globe earth. Well, it would be really complicated to figure out the distance on a flat earth where the miles get longer the farther you get from the north pole. Come to think of it, why aren’t there flerf maps with the south pole at the center and the northern hemisphere stretched like taffy? ---
**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2026, 2:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/artemis-related-flatearthers-moon-also-flat/1029026/35 "2026-04-08T02:00:48Z")
Silly boy! Those are _frelf_ maps! The flerf believers would never make common cause with the frelfs! Splittists! ---
**Author:** ![Voyager](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/voyager/32/133_2.png) [@Voyager](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Voyager)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2026, 5:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/artemis-related-flatearthers-moon-also-flat/1029026/36 "2026-04-08T05:13:56Z")
> [@DesertDog](#): > > Well, it would be really complicated to figure out the distance on a flat earth where the miles get longer the farther you get from the north pole. I once found a website which computed the distance between any two cities on the Gleason (standard Flerf) map. Very useful in computing the speed at which one of the planes which fly from Santiago to Sydney would have to fly. (Well over Mach 1.) The flerfs admit a 24 hour sun in the Arctic. There is a clip some of the debunkers play where the aforementioned flat earth Dave says “the 24 hour sun doesn’t work on a flat earth.” He refused the offer of a trip to see it. ---
**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2026, 10:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/artemis-related-flatearthers-moon-also-flat/1029026/37 "2026-04-08T10:07:33Z")
Flerf is simply a religion. It is more important to the believers to _believe_ than it is to believe in something sensible. The act of faith in nonsense is somehow soothing to whatever is missing inside their psyche. You can’t fix that by debunking the facts. Only by replacing their desire to have faith with something more productive. ---
**Author:** ![Voyager](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/voyager/32/133_2.png) [@Voyager](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Voyager)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2026, 5:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/artemis-related-flatearthers-moon-also-flat/1029026/38 "2026-04-08T17:05:39Z")
Yes. The vast majority of flat earthers I’ve heard believe it because they think the Bible says the earth is flat. That bit of faith makes them ignore all the evidence. ---
**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2026, 8:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/artemis-related-flatearthers-moon-also-flat/1029026/39 "2026-04-08T20:17:16Z")
You raise a good point. Though I wasn’t suggesting that christianity itself causes flerfs to believe. I was saying that the sort of mind that embraces conventional religion is the same sort of mind that can choose “flerfism” as their personal pet religion. They cling to their beliefs because the act of having faith itself is soothing, no matter what they choose to believe in. IMO the fact that one line in the bible can be read in an ignorant literal isolated fashion to somehow suggest the Earth might possibly be flat is just icing on the flerfism cake. It gives the flerf promoters a leg up at recruiting fundamentalist xians to a second back-up religion: flerfism. Which religion they embrace with all the thought-free fervor they used to reserve for fundamentalist xianism. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/artemis-related-flatearthers-moon-also-flat/1029026.md?page=1)