# Article on Christianity and gaybashing **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [April 6, 2005, 11:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/article-on-christianity-and-gaybashing/298115 "2005-04-06T23:19:43Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Hunter\_Hawk](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/50afbb/32.png) [@Hunter\_Hawk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hunter_Hawk)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2005, 11:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/article-on-christianity-and-gaybashing/298115/1 "2005-04-06T23:19:43Z")
I don’t recall seeing a thread about this earlier, but here’s an interesting [article](http://www.thestranger.com/2005-03-31/feature.html) on evangelical Christianity and a gaybashing incident that happened in Seattle last year. Frankly, it’s nothing you really haven’t seen before, but it’s an interesting read and serves as another illustration about how the principle of “Love the sinner, hate the sin” often just turns into plain old “Hate the faggot.” ---
**Author:** ![Cervaise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cervaise/32/16693_2.png) [@Cervaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cervaise)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2005, 12:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/article-on-christianity-and-gaybashing/298115/2 "2005-04-07T00:27:36Z")
Read this over the weekend. I usually don’t care for _The Stranger_’s long features, but this one was pretty good: even-handed and insightful. The worst part of the story, I thought, was how the one crackpot defense attorney tried to put the victim’s personal life on trial. _Nobody_ deserves to be attacked and slashed with broken bottles. Period. Oh, and for the record, given that the article ends with “verdict expected any minute,” all three defendants were [convicted](http://archives.seattletimes.nwsource.com/cgi-bin/texis.cgi/web/vortex/display?slug=painter31m&date=20050331) (link requires free registration). People really suck sometimes. ---
**Author:** ![Cervaise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cervaise/32/16693_2.png) [@Cervaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cervaise)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2005, 12:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/article-on-christianity-and-gaybashing/298115/3 "2005-04-07T00:30:57Z")
Sorry for the double post, but I think it’s worth pointing out that the three attackers were convicted on the _harassment_ charge but acquitted of _assault._ Whatever. At least they’re going to jail. ---
**Author:** ![Hunter\_Hawk](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/50afbb/32.png) [@Hunter\_Hawk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hunter_Hawk)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2005, 1:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/article-on-christianity-and-gaybashing/298115/4 "2005-04-07T01:47:44Z")
[A different link](http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/local/218252_painter31.html) that doesn’t require registration. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2005, 2:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/article-on-christianity-and-gaybashing/298115/5 "2005-04-07T02:17:43Z")
Oh good god, that poor man. Did you see the picture of the pants he wore? Holy SHIT. ---
**Author:** ![lel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8797f3/32.png) [@lel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lel)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2005, 2:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/article-on-christianity-and-gaybashing/298115/6 "2005-04-07T02:53:47Z")
To be honest, it sounds like they were a bunch of young guys who had had scrapes with the law already. I don’t know, I can’t see it being so much the religion as a bunch of angry young guys who found a “convenient target.” Religiously motivated or not, it’s still heinous and I’m glad to hear they will be serving time. ---
**Author:** ![Sampiro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2acd7d/32.png) [@Sampiro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sampiro)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2005, 3:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/article-on-christianity-and-gaybashing/298115/7 "2005-04-07T03:24:28Z")
Sometimes I can’t believe that gays haven’t become one hell of a lot more violent in a vigilante sort of way. And I hate to admit it, but it’s almost disappointing. ---
**Author:** ![Imasquare](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Imasquare](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Imasquare)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2005, 4:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/article-on-christianity-and-gaybashing/298115/8 "2005-04-07T04:05:06Z")
> [@Hunter Hawk](#): > > I don’t recall seeing a thread about this earlier, but here’s an interesting [article](http://www.thestranger.com/2005-03-31/feature.html) on evangelical Christianity and a gaybashing incident that happened in Seattle last year. > > Frankly, it’s nothing you really haven’t seen before, but it’s an interesting read and serves as another illustration about how the principle of “Love the sinner, hate the sin” often just turns into plain old “Hate the faggot.” Not all Christians hate gays. Some of us are quite liberal. Unfortunately the right-wing Christians give the rest of us a bad name. ---
**Author:** ![lorinada](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/b5e925/32.png) [@lorinada](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lorinada)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2005, 4:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/article-on-christianity-and-gaybashing/298115/9 "2005-04-07T04:30:43Z")
Well, and not all gay-haters are Christian, or even religious. ---
**Author:** ![mswas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e99b99/32.png) [@mswas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mswas)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2005, 4:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/article-on-christianity-and-gaybashing/298115/10 "2005-04-07T04:59:44Z")
Not all right wing christians hate gays either. Erek ---
**Author:** ![Mockingbird](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c68b51/32.png) [@Mockingbird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mockingbird)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2005, 5:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/article-on-christianity-and-gaybashing/298115/11 "2005-04-07T05:15:39Z")
> [@mswas](#): > > Not all right wing christians hate gays either. > > Erek No, they just want them to have separate but equal status. Oh, and to stop being so uppity. ---
**Author:** ![Mockingbird](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c68b51/32.png) [@Mockingbird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mockingbird)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2005, 5:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/article-on-christianity-and-gaybashing/298115/12 "2005-04-07T05:20:30Z")
> [@lorinada](#): > > Well, and not all gay-haters are Christian, or even religious. Some gay people are homophobic, some women are misogynists, and some jewish people are anti-semites. So, the exceptions now are the rule? And before you can waste the time to ask: John Paulk, Phyllis Schlafley, and Jews for Jesus. ---
**Author:** ![FriarTed](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/friarted/32/1052_2.png) [@FriarTed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FriarTed)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2005, 8:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/article-on-christianity-and-gaybashing/298115/13 "2005-04-07T08:20:44Z")
> [@Mockingbird](#): > > …some women are misogynists, and some jewish people are anti-semites. > > So, the exceptions now are the rule? > > …Phyllis Schlafley, and Jews for Jesus. I do not think “misogynist” and “anti-semite” mean what you think they do. ---
**Author:** ![Mockingbird](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c68b51/32.png) [@Mockingbird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mockingbird)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2005, 9:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/article-on-christianity-and-gaybashing/298115/14 "2005-04-07T09:28:25Z")
> [@FriarTed](#): > > I do not think “misogynist” and “anti-semite” mean what you think they do. The pathetic Princess Bride allusion hits new levels of lameness. ---
**Author:** ![FriarTed](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/friarted/32/1052_2.png) [@FriarTed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FriarTed)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2005, 10:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/article-on-christianity-and-gaybashing/298115/15 "2005-04-07T10:15:56Z")
> [@Mockingbird](#): > > The pathetic Princess Bride allusion hits new levels of lameness. What Princess Bride allusion? 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Polycarp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/82dd89/32.png) [@Polycarp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Polycarp)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2005, 3:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/article-on-christianity-and-gaybashing/298115/16 "2005-04-07T15:21:29Z")
> [@FriarTed](#): > > What Princess Bride allusion? 😃 I always thought that was what Zechariah said when Gabriel told him about Elizabeth getting pregnant with John the Baptist! 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Sampiro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2acd7d/32.png) [@Sampiro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sampiro)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2005, 5:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/article-on-christianity-and-gaybashing/298115/17 "2005-04-07T17:14:02Z")
> [@Mockingbird](#): > > No, they just want them to have separate but equal status. Well, separate anyway. (As with Jim Crow, the _equal_ part is nudge-nudge-wink-wink.) ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2005, 5:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/article-on-christianity-and-gaybashing/298115/18 "2005-04-07T17:15:52Z")
> [@Mockingbird](#): > > Some gay people are homophobic, some women are misogynists, and some jewish people are anti-semites. > > So, the exceptions now are the rule? > > And before you can waste the time to ask: John Paulk, Phyllis Schlafley, and Jews for Jesus. I don’t think “Jews for Jesus” would count-aren’t they actually a front for some fundy Christian sect? ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2005, 5:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/article-on-christianity-and-gaybashing/298115/19 "2005-04-07T17:37:22Z")
> [@Sampiro](#): > > Sometimes I can’t believe that gays haven’t become one hell of a lot more violent in a vigilante sort of way. And I hate to admit it, but it’s almost disappointing. Maybe not as a group, and maybe not in any “predeclared” manner, but I pity anyone who would ever try coming at me with a bottle or knife. ---
**Author:** ![lel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8797f3/32.png) [@lel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lel)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2005, 3:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/article-on-christianity-and-gaybashing/298115/20 "2005-04-08T03:46:16Z")
> [@SteveG1](#): > > Maybe not as a group, and maybe not in any “predeclared” manner, but I pity anyone who would ever try coming at me with a bottle or knife. I don’t think that’s exclusive to being gay. If someone came at me with a knife or a broken bottle, I’d probably get some violent tendencies quite quickly myself. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/article-on-christianity-and-gaybashing/298115.md?page=2)