# Article says hate violence against trans people increasing - I don't see it from the data provided **URL:** \ **Category:** In My Humble Opinion\ **Created:** [November 20, 2016, 11:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/article-says-hate-violence-against-trans-people-increasing-i-dont-see-it-from-the-data-provided/772601 "2016-11-20T23:25:18Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 9\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![astro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/9dc877/32.png) [@astro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/astro)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2016, 11:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/article-says-hate-violence-against-trans-people-increasing-i-dont-see-it-from-the-data-provided/772601/1 "2016-11-20T23:25:18Z")
Article here caught my attention as I thought trans people were slowly becoming more accepted over time. [How Society Let This Happen: The Transgender People Killed in 2016](https://broadly.vice.com/en_us/article/how-society-let-this-happen-the-transgender-people-killed-in-2016) > [@](#): > > Every year on November 20, men and women around the United States light candles to mourn the murder of their transgender sisters and brothers whose lives were extinguished by extreme acts of violence. The same words are spoken at these vigils again and again as community leaders invoke the spirits of the fallen and call the community to action: These killings need to end. But they never do and, in fact, they seem only to grow in number; the reported murder rate of trans women of color continues to rise, breaking national records year after year. The media tracks these murders, chronicling the dead. There will likely be more names added to our lists before the year ends. > > Last year, Broadly investigated the nature of these crimes. We examined the cases of 23 victims in 2015 and reported on the facts as we knew them. Here are some: The killers are virtually all men. The majority of the victims are trans women of color and, more often than not, they’re killed in the context of sex or a relationship. The violence itself is excessive and extreme. In this past year, one victim was stabbed 119 times; another was beaten to death and then set on fire. In an interview last year, acclaimed gender theorist Judith Butler offered a reading of our data, theorizing that the men who kill transgender women perceive them to be a threat to their own masculinity. What is then offered as the confirming data for this national upswing [is a list of 21 people](http://www.hrc.org/blog/violence-against-transgender-community-continues-to-increase) killed in what appear to mainly relationship fights or garden variety street crime. It seems that every trans person murdered is being forced into a hate crime matrix for the purposes of the claims being made. Am I reading the data wrong. Is there something I’m missing? > [@](#): > > Today, the National Coalition on Anti-Violence Programs (NCAVP) released their 2014 hate violence report. While overall violence against LGBT people went down by 32 percent, crimes against transgender people rose by 13 percent. > > The report also found an upsurge in homicides against LGBT individuals, finding that about 50 percent of victims were transgender women and 35 percent were gay and bisexual men. > > This year’s report also highlighted high rates of violence against transgender women, highlighting the community as one of the most impacted identities. The report explained, “Transgender women survivors of hate violence were more likely to experience police violence, physical violence, discrimination, harassment, sexual violence, threats, and intimidation. Transgender women were more likely to experience hate violence in shelters and in public areas.” > > While this report is an important document in understanding and tracking violence against the LGBT community, the report is only based on reported crimes. The number of reported crimes from the Bureau of Justice Statistics, as well as the FBI, varies. Additionally, the report explained that, “data on the prevalence of hate violence against queer, bisexual, transgender, and HIV-affected people is virtually non-existent.“ ---
**Author:** ![Riemann](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/riemann/32/3133_2.png) [@Riemann](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Riemann)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2016, 11:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/article-says-hate-violence-against-trans-people-increasing-i-dont-see-it-from-the-data-provided/772601/2 "2016-11-20T23:36:14Z")
I don’t know about murder rates, but suicide is a far more significant cause of death attributable to anti-LGBT bigotry. [40 Percent Of Homeless Youth Are LGBT, Family Rejection Is Leading Cause](https://thinkprogress.org/study-40-percent-of-homeless-youth-are-lgbt-family-rejection-is-leading-cause-a2aaa72c414a#.icx37ep6d) [Suicide among LGBT youth](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suicide_among_LGBT_youth) ---
**Author:** ![GusNSpot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gusnspot/32/436_2.png) [@GusNSpot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GusNSpot)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2016, 1:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/article-says-hate-violence-against-trans-people-increasing-i-dont-see-it-from-the-data-provided/772601/3 "2016-11-21T01:25:41Z")
- Not enough of the correct education of the children up to & including PHD programs. - The fact that Religions exist/have not been shut down & then educated out of humanity the world over. - A lack of the correct form of tolerance being taught in the home & schools. - The historic and very predominant instinct of mammals to kill those that are different which people want to proclaim that it should go away tomorrow due to their lack of understanding of what & how long that takes even if they can magically fix 50% of their town ( forget the whole world ) with the slow progress being made with different skin colors which much of the educated world is still struggling with. The OP is not ↑↑↑↑ this enough which I feel is why he thinks he is missing something… IMO. He is not a ‘one trick pony’ so does not subscribe to the above so to be able to read the statistics and come to the proper fear level. ( He needs to re-learn the saying {There are lies, damn lies and statistics.} ) The effort is & should be made, me doing everything I can in my local position is not much even at just the town level. Many things I am very tolerant about, others I have to work on the tolerance and if am threatened or frightened, I may regress in the time before clear thinking kicks in. Those that suffer, want instant fixes and historically , even with full on dictatorship with religious backing & most people on board does not change everyone. Or so actual history seems to show. Keep on doing all you can to fix it but do not spend the time on statistics that don’t change anything other than filling you with fear/dread/no desire to go on & do the part you are responsible for and quit looking for things to be all negative and a person no one wants to be around. Or I could be totally wrong. ---
**Author:** ![Aspidistra](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspidistra/32/3894_2.png) [@Aspidistra](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspidistra)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2016, 6:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/article-says-hate-violence-against-trans-people-increasing-i-dont-see-it-from-the-data-provided/772601/4 "2016-11-21T06:02:19Z")
> [@astro](#): > > Article here caught my attention as I thought trans people were slowly becoming more accepted over time. > > [How Society Let This Happen: The Transgender People Killed in 2016](https://broadly.vice.com/en_us/article/how-society-let-this-happen-the-transgender-people-killed-in-2016) > > What is then offered as the confirming data for this national upswing [is a list of 21 people](http://www.hrc.org/blog/violence-against-transgender-community-continues-to-increase) killed in what appear to mainly relationship fights or garden variety street crime. It seems that every trans person murdered is being forced into a hate crime matrix for the purposes of the claims being made. Am I reading the data wrong. Is there something I’m missing? If it’s true that 50% of LGBT people murdered are trans women and 35% are gay men, that must mean that more trans women than gay men are killed every year. I don’t know the stats but surely there are A LOT more gay men than trans women in the US? Which would make the trans women murder rate shockingly high. ---
**Author:** ![puddleglum](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/puddleglum/32/137_2.png) [@puddleglum](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puddleglum)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2016, 6:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/article-says-hate-violence-against-trans-people-increasing-i-dont-see-it-from-the-data-provided/772601/5 "2016-11-21T18:25:48Z")
In the article there is a link to the Advocate which claims 26 murders of transgenders this year. That is a murder rate of 2 per 100,000. That is less than half of the murder rate for the entire country. Apparently society is very protective of the lives of the transgendered. ---
**Author:** ![Una\_Persson](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/una_persson/32/346_2.png) [@Una\_Persson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Una_Persson)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2016, 6:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/article-says-hate-violence-against-trans-people-increasing-i-dont-see-it-from-the-data-provided/772601/6 "2016-11-21T18:43:40Z")
Some of _any_ uptick in the deaths of transgender persons due to more of us coming out each year. Going by my estimate (based on my working at a transgender counseling center and being a transgender media person) I’d be shocked if there weren’t at least 4-5 times as many of us out and visible, compared to 2012. But another factor is that due to greater and greater police acceptance and tolerance, and more avenues for support available (Planned Parenthood, for example, kicked off a huge transgender support effort this year) there are almost certainly more cases being reported to the police. Things are changing - we have safety in numbers, and increasing numbers of us are legally carrying weapons and ready to use them. At our Transgender Day of Remembrance ceremony last night a group of young white males came by with a TRUMP banner flying, and used slurs and threats against us, shouting and pumping their fists. But out of about 240 people in the crowd, nearly a dozen of us were legally carrying weapons, and most of us doing so were retired military combat veterans. There was going to be no trans-bashing at our event, by golly. ---
**Author:** ![Una\_Persson](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/una_persson/32/346_2.png) [@Una\_Persson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Una_Persson)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2016, 6:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/article-says-hate-violence-against-trans-people-increasing-i-dont-see-it-from-the-data-provided/772601/7 "2016-11-21T18:50:14Z")
> [@puddleglum](#): > > In the article there is a link to the Advocate which claims 26 murders of transgenders this year. That is a murder rate of 2 per 100,000. That is less than half of the murder rate for the entire country. Apparently society is very protective of the lives of the transgendered. While I don’t dispute the absolute numbers, are you comparing to the national rate of being murdered as a hate crime? And as a request, would you mind not calling us “transgenders?” It’s a bit awkward use. ---
**Author:** ![puddleglum](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/puddleglum/32/137_2.png) [@puddleglum](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puddleglum)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2016, 7:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/article-says-hate-violence-against-trans-people-increasing-i-dont-see-it-from-the-data-provided/772601/8 "2016-11-21T19:54:24Z")
> [@Una\_Persson](#): > > While I don’t dispute the absolute numbers, are you comparing to the national rate of being murdered as a hate crime? > > And as a request, would you mind not calling us “transgenders?” It’s a bit awkward use. I am comparing the rate that transgenders are murdered to the rate the general population. The only alternative I could think of was transgendered people and that sounds even more awkward. ---
**Author:** ![Aspidistra](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspidistra/32/3894_2.png) [@Aspidistra](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspidistra)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2016, 8:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/article-says-hate-violence-against-trans-people-increasing-i-dont-see-it-from-the-data-provided/772601/9 "2016-11-21T20:41:59Z")
About three quarters of the women on their named list are black women. That can’t possibly be an exhaustive list of every trans woman in America who was murdered last year, unless all the white trans women have a halo of anti-murder protection (in a country where the total murder number is about 15 thousand)