# Article sympathetic to mentoring teacher fired for helping troubled student - Not sure I agree **URL:** \ **Category:** In My Humble Opinion\ **Created:** [March 2, 2017, 6:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/article-sympathetic-to-mentoring-teacher-fired-for-helping-troubled-student-not-sure-i-agree/781182 "2017-03-02T06:24:05Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 5\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![TokyoBayer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tokyobayer/32/13989_2.png) [@TokyoBayer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TokyoBayer)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2017, 1:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/article-sympathetic-to-mentoring-teacher-fired-for-helping-troubled-student-not-sure-i-agree/781182/41 "2017-03-05T01:42:55Z")
> [@WhyNot](#): > > If it’s your claim that she was sufficiently trained and all this happened anyway because she’s an evil or reckless person, what’s your evidence for that? > [@TokyoBayer](#): > > Can you cite where I made that claim? > > I have _repeatedly_ stated that based on two sympathetic articles that we don’t know enough to make this judgment. I don’t particularly trust this type of article to be the end off of investigative journalism. > [@WhyNot](#): > > No, which is why I said, “If…” I had an ex-girlfriend who used to say the most passive aggressive bullshit all the time. She would say all sorts of shit just to get people mad, but then would always have an out. Your response, "No, which is why I said, “If…” is right up her alley. Again, why would you possibly say that in response to what I wrote. I wrote nothing which suggests anything remotely close to your allegations, and couching it with a weaselly “_No, which is why I said, "If…_” is horseshit. ---
**Author:** ![WhyNot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/c77e96/32.png) [@WhyNot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WhyNot)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2017, 2:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/article-sympathetic-to-mentoring-teacher-fired-for-helping-troubled-student-not-sure-i-agree/781182/42 "2017-03-05T02:18:12Z")
> [@TokyoBayer](#): > > I had an ex-girlfriend who used to say the most passive aggressive bullshit all the time. She would say all sorts of shit just to get people mad, but then would always have an out. > > Your response, "No, which is why I said, “If…” is right up her alley. > > Again, why would you possibly say that in response to what I wrote. I wrote nothing which suggests anything remotely close to your allegations, and couching it with a weaselly “_No, which is why I said, "If…_” is horseshit. No, it’s not. The fact that you said you didn’t believe the articles that she wasn’t well trained and called for a written policy \*suggested \*you believe she wasn’t well trained. ---
**Author:** ![TokyoBayer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tokyobayer/32/13989_2.png) [@TokyoBayer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TokyoBayer)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2017, 5:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/article-sympathetic-to-mentoring-teacher-fired-for-helping-troubled-student-not-sure-i-agree/781182/43 "2017-03-05T05:12:30Z")
So is it a comprehension issue? That despite explicitly stating numerous times that I don’t believe we have enough information to make a decision you are going to assume a meaning which I have stated I don’t know? What the fuck? ---
**Author:** ![WhyNot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/c77e96/32.png) [@WhyNot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WhyNot)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2017, 6:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/article-sympathetic-to-mentoring-teacher-fired-for-helping-troubled-student-not-sure-i-agree/781182/44 "2017-03-05T06:10:32Z")
> [@TokyoBayer](#): > > So is it a comprehension issue? That despite explicitly stating numerous times that I don’t believe we have enough information to make a decision you are going to assume a meaning which I have stated I don’t know? > > What the fuck? Yes, I think it is a comprehension issue. If one is asking for a policy, I’m going to assume that maybe they think there’s a chance that a policy exists. I’m done now. If you want a fight, you’re going to have to find it somewhere else. ---
**Author:** ![TokyoBayer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tokyobayer/32/13989_2.png) [@TokyoBayer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TokyoBayer)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2017, 8:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/article-sympathetic-to-mentoring-teacher-fired-for-helping-troubled-student-not-sure-i-agree/781182/45 "2017-03-05T08:21:57Z")
> [@WhyNot](#): > > Yes, I think it is a comprehension issue. > > If one is asking for a policy, I’m going to assume that maybe they think there’s a chance that a policy exists. > > I’m done now. If you want a fight, you’re going to have to find it somewhere else. Oh for fuck’s sake. Again really slowly here. I said > [@](#): > > The training I was referring to was that which glee’s school had which was: > > > [@](#): > > > > My (private) school had a school counsellor, who gave annual talks to all staff. These covered legal obligations and ‘best practice.’ > > The key point from these talks was to keep the school counsellor, your immediate superior and the pupil’s form teacher informed about all developments. They would advise, particularly what to tell the parents You replied > [@](#): > > From the second article, we know that they don’t and then quote a member of the board concerning training on now to deal with borderline personality disorders, something I was not discussing at all. I was only discussing **glee** ’s school’s training. Do they have it? Do they not? You seem to be the expert here, tell us. I have repeatedly stated that from these two articles we don’t know this one way or another. From there you go off on a tirade and make up a completely bullshit misrepresentation of my position] > [@you](#): > > If it’s your claim that she was sufficiently trained and all this happened anyway because she’s an evil or reckless person, what’s your evidence for that? Again again, I ask in easy-to-understand words. Show me anywhere I suggested that she was sufficiently trained. Show me anywhere I suggested that she was an evil person. This is completely baseless. Just because Trump makes up shit doesn’t mean this is the new norm. When I call you on your horseshit, you say it’s OK to do this because you used the magic words “if.” No. I’m not evil incarnate because I don’t read into a – not particularly well reported – article what you want to hear. I simple say we don’t know everything but since you disagree you are going to create a strawman. I don’t care whatever strawmen you want to create, but don’t attribute them to me. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/article-sympathetic-to-mentoring-teacher-fired-for-helping-troubled-student-not-sure-i-agree/781182.md?page=2)