# Artists who arguably have produced BOTH the best AND the worst in their field **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [January 4, 2020, 4:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/artists-who-arguably-have-produced-both-the-best-and-the-worst-in-their-field/845937 "2020-01-04T16:31:01Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 10\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![pulykamell](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pulykamell/32/3166_2.png) [@pulykamell](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pulykamell)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2020, 2:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/artists-who-arguably-have-produced-both-the-best-and-the-worst-in-their-field/845937/121 "2020-01-12T02:29:21Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > I’d argue that his character in _Punchdrunk Love_ is a pretty standard Sandler character - an emotionally damaged man-baby who’s largely unequipped to function in society - except he’s not in an Adam Sandler movie, so his antics are perceived by people around him as disturbed and frightening, like they would be in real life, not hilarious and endearing. There may be a bit of that. I’d have to rewatch it – I only saw it once c. 2001/2002. But I do remember his quirks fitting the character perfectly and driving the story perfectly. As you say, it may have a bit to do with the his antics being perceived in a more realistic manner, but whatever the case may be, I felt he was perfect for the role. I also recall his character being reined in a bit – quirky but not as over-the-top as usual – quirky Adam Sandler, but within the bounds of what I perceived as realistic. ETA: Holy crap–did it really come out as late as October 2002? Damn, that doesn’t gibe with my personal chronology, but, hey, there’s no arguing with facts. So I would have seen it probably in 2003, as I rented it on VHS while living in Europe, and I moved back to the US in Nov 2003. Damn, memory is weird. ---
**Author:** ![Guest-starring\_Id](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guest-starring_id/32/21736_2.png) [@Guest-starring\_Id](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guest-starring_Id)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2020, 7:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/artists-who-arguably-have-produced-both-the-best-and-the-worst-in-their-field/845937/122 "2020-01-12T19:41:39Z")
> [@Ludovic](#): > > I don’t think they had a lot of absolute crap: either their good presence/acting or great writing usually saved the sketch. They come close to disaster when their stuff drags on for too long. For instance, my least favorite sketch, mr German-composer-with-an-overly-long name, had an interesting premise at least even if they stretched it on beyond comfortability. And another sketch that goes on for too long, the beach changing scene, took an otherwise uninteresting bit of slapstick and rescued it at the end with the protagonist’s enthusiasm when he enters the spotlight. The Tudor Smut Police under different hands would have been interminable but they made it pleasantly tolerable IMO with _both_ their writing and charisma despite the sketch’s length. For me, a tedious achilles heel of theirs was “The Golden Age of Ballooning”. > [@RioRico](#): > > And a similar category, from the era of 78s and 45s, would be best and worst on sides A and B of the same disc. I’ll nominate Jan & Dean’s Drag City (worst dragster song) b/w Schlock Rod (best hotrod parody). Bearing in mind, though, that a b-side was quite often not “strong” or “popular”. (please note quotes) Often it’s an obscure confection, like “You Know My Name (Look Up the Number)” as a b-side to the Beatles’ “Let it Be”. ---
**Author:** ![jtur88](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/e9c0ed/32.png) [@jtur88](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jtur88)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2020, 10:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/artists-who-arguably-have-produced-both-the-best-and-the-worst-in-their-field/845937/123 "2020-01-13T10:03:47Z")
Nat King Cole was an absolute gift in his time, but stunk the place up with his last two chart hits, "Ramblin Rose’ and “Crazy Days of Summer”. ---
**Author:** ![zimaane](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/a3d4f5/32.png) [@zimaane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/zimaane)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2020, 9:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/artists-who-arguably-have-produced-both-the-best-and-the-worst-in-their-field/845937/124 "2020-01-13T21:58:48Z")
> [@Ludovic](#): > > I don’t think Monty Python has produced the _worst_ in their genre - there have been a lot worse sketches I’ve seen over the years. But I’d agree that the standard deviation in greatness was huge, since there were a lot of mediocre-but-not-execrable stuff to contrast to their moments of sheer brilliance. > > I don’t think they had a lot of absolute crap: either their good presence/acting or great writing usually saved the sketch. They come close to disaster when their stuff drags on for too long. For instance, my least favorite sketch, mr German-composer-with-an-overly-long name, had an interesting premise at least even if they stretched it on beyond comfortability. And another sketch that goes on for too long, the beach changing scene, took an otherwise uninteresting bit of slapstick and rescued it at the end with the protagonist’s enthusiasm when he enters the spotlight. The Tudor Smut Police under different hands would have been interminable but they made it pleasantly tolerable IMO with _both_ their writing and charisma despite the sketch’s length. For me, the blancmange sketch is the nadir of MP. ---
**Author:** ![RioRico](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/f04885/32.png) [@RioRico](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RioRico)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2020, 5:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/artists-who-arguably-have-produced-both-the-best-and-the-worst-in-their-field/845937/125 "2020-01-14T05:49:13Z")
Not quite “best and worst” but Jimmy Webb is responsible for both the sublime WICHITA LINEMAN and the horrendous MACARTHUR(S) PARK. > [@Guest-starring\_Id](#): > > Bearing in mind, though, that a b-side was quite often not “strong” or “popular”. (please note quotes) Often it’s an obscure confection, like “You Know My Name (Look Up the Number)” as a b-side to the Beatles’ “Let it Be”. Sure, that’s common, but my example has the worst (strong and popular) on the a-side and the best (obscure madness) on the flip. > [@jtur88](#): > > Nat King Cole was an absolute gift in his time, but stunk the place up with his last two chart hits, "Ramblin Rose’ and “Crazy Days of Summer”. Nat earned an awful lot less as a superb jazz pianist than he did as a pop crooner, and I’d hardly call your examples the “worst in their field”. Jim Nabors easily beats him. ---
**Author:** ![lingyi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/d2c977/32.png) [@lingyi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lingyi)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2020, 7:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/artists-who-arguably-have-produced-both-the-best-and-the-worst-in-their-field/845937/126 "2020-01-14T07:18:44Z")
Another Clapton moment. At the [2007 Crossroads Festival](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=98XqT4kBWT4), he totally stepped all over Steve Winwood’s singing. More than a few times Winwood has a WTF face and stopped singing. Yes, I know it’s Clapton’s song, but it was Winwood’s singing on it during \*Blind Faith \*that made it a classic. ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2020, 3:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/artists-who-arguably-have-produced-both-the-best-and-the-worst-in-their-field/845937/127 "2020-01-14T15:04:21Z")
> [@RioRico](#): > > I own a masterpiece bracelet by a Navajo silversmith who made his daily living churning out tourist schlock because that’s what sold. Of better-known folks, I’ll nominate Bob Dylan, who won his Nobel because “The ghost electricity howls in the bones of her face” but dipped to “All the wild horses in the sun” and “You’ve gotta serve somebody.” Think of Dylan like a gold mine. There are a lot of gold nuggets there, but they’re mixed with a lot of ore. Even his ore is better than a lot of artists’ best stuff. His gold- unbeatable. How about Johnny Depp? A lot of great roles then… Tonto. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2020, 3:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/artists-who-arguably-have-produced-both-the-best-and-the-worst-in-their-field/845937/128 "2020-01-14T15:45:45Z")
Would like to note that a lot of Mozart’s early work is so bad it sounds like a child wrote it. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2020, 3:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/artists-who-arguably-have-produced-both-the-best-and-the-worst-in-their-field/845937/129 "2020-01-14T15:55:11Z")
> [@Odesio](#): > > Cobra was worse than Rambo II and III combined. Just awful. And **Oscar** was worse than all of them. Seriously, who said “You know what the world needs? An old-tyme farce starring Sylvester Stallone, that’s what!”? And the person who apparently said this was John Landis who directed it, and thus also earns himself a place in this thread. Actually, Landis earns it for the two _Blues Brothers_ films, which were respectively brilliant and horrific. > [@SpeedwayRyan](#): > > I saw a tweet recently that mentioned how Sandler makes an absolutely amazing movie about every 15 years and then goes back to playing fart wizards the rest of the time. 😛 > [@Miller](#): > > From what I understand, it’s basically the latter. His comedy career basically funds a series of vacations for him and his friends to fly out somewhere, spend a few weeks fucking around in front of cameras by day, and partying at night. This explains his recent effort _The Ridiculous Six_ which is horrible even by “bad Adam Sandler film” standards. It only makes sense if you understand it as Sandler rounding up some friends to make a stupid Western he’d written. It ought to be offensive to Mexicans and Native Americans, given the grotesque caricatures of both in the film, but it’s so bad I suspect both groups would avoid complaining just to avoid any association with it at all. I beg you - don’t ever watch it, for your own sake. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2020, 3:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/artists-who-arguably-have-produced-both-the-best-and-the-worst-in-their-field/845937/130 "2020-01-14T15:56:58Z")
> [@JohnT](#): > > Would like to note that a lot of Mozart’s early work is so bad it sounds like a child wrote it. ISWYDT. Forget to mention re: the Beatles - I’d put _Why Don’t We Do It In The Road_ at the bottom of their oeuvre. I mean yes, the title’s funny, but it just sounds like McCartney got drunk and busked this one. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/artists-who-arguably-have-produced-both-the-best-and-the-worst-in-their-field/845937.md?page=6)