As a full-on, hard-left liberal, I have been forced to reevaluate some views.

I am not attempting to say that Birther’s are correct, guys.

I am stating that I realized I wasn’t even listening to their argument, but was just reading media headlines, and ignoring everything, because usually what the right is spewing is so ludicrous that there ISN’T any point in paying attention.

And there was a valid reason to look- based on the law and what some of the idiots said.

Then I started speculating about the rest of the fundamental structure.
Trust me- I won’t be voting republican anytime soon.

I usually vote dem, green if there’s a chance, and libertarian when I don’t care, to up their percentages. They want out of my business enough, and I would like them to go…

But- again- this is NOT about Obama, specifically- it is about the odd law that allowed the doubt.

I have no doubt that if Obama hands the WH to the republicans in 2016, it will, in fact, be to Ahnold.

The reasoning is bullshit and we certainly need plenty of kids and parents who don’t share a common citizenship, that sounds humane and sensible!

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I still don’t know what you are on about.

Thank you, come again.

What does this mean?

You sort of understand that a US citizen parent of a child born abroad, who has left the US intentionally and for a long period of time, should not be able to pass on their US citizenship to their child. BUT there should be an exception for young teen parents and those who give birth on vacation or father a child during a fling.

Correct?

Well I can’t understand it at all because parents should always be able to pass on their citizenship to their child, no matter how long they have been outside the US. You seriously don’t know the kind of nightmare it would create for parents and children not to share a common citizenship between them, and I’m guessing you’ve never personally faced that.

You seem to have not read the earlier edit… Yes, actually, our daughter isn’t granted citizenship in her mother’s country of citizenship due to her having not been born there and/or having obtained documents from another country- mine… So we should have gone there, as I qualify to give her the opportunity to choose- but now she would have to go home on a visa…

I kind of have to agree with this one. He’s decent, reasonable, bright, disciplined, gracious, mature, and well educated. The whole thing has been kind of a fluke.

I keep reading the thread title as “full-on hard on”. Carry on.

What if the parents themselves have never been in the US? What if their parents had never been in the US?

In that case they presumably have another citizenship in the country they have spent their whole lives in which their children will share. Just being outside the US for years is not a good measure of anything.

Just for a hypothetical a US citizen parent who holds only US citizenship and has lived in the US their whole life leaves the US and goes abroad for years. They are living on visas or permanent residency somewhere when they have a child, lets say the country they have the child in is jus soli so the kid has a citizenship at least.

Now what if the parent has to leave, what now? If a parent can’t transmit citizenship it will only cause heartbreak.

But you agree that perpetual transmission is not ideal: there has to be SOME cutoff.

Just for a hypothetical, one could also make resident visas easy to obtain for minor children of citizens. Once one has the permanent resident visa, the path to citizenship is pretty clear cut.

I was never arguing for perpetual transmission, only that being outside the US for years is no kind of sensible cutoff.