# As you were, now I am. **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [March 13, 2009, 11:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/as-you-were-now-i-am/489317 "2009-03-13T11:02:53Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 6\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Robot\_Arm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/robot_arm/32/18280_2.png) [@Robot\_Arm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Robot_Arm)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2009, 3:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/as-you-were-now-i-am/489317/41 "2009-03-13T15:11:06Z")
> [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](#): > > That is a slanderous lie, **Der Trihs**. George W. Bush is far more intelligent than every fish, reptile, bird, inverterbrate, amoeba, and… > > :: reads note someone slips onto my desk :: > > Oh. You mean human population. Carry on, then. Conservative posters would get called on the carpet when they defended Bush by citing Clinton’s misdeeds, so Obama’s performance isn’t made better or worse by Bush’s intellect. And it’s not quite fair to call Bush stupid. He graduated from Yale, flew fighter jets, and was president. Now, I disagree strongly with both the premises and conclusions of his administration. I’m not sure exactly how to describe someone like that, but to say he’s less intelligent than most isn’t it. ---
**Author:** ![Sophistry\_and\_Illusion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b3f665/32.png) [@Sophistry\_and\_Illusion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sophistry_and_Illusion)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2009, 3:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/as-you-were-now-i-am/489317/42 "2009-03-13T15:52:09Z")
> [@Stan\_Shmenge](#): > > Jeez, do I have to look up EVERYTHING? Carter himself said it. > > See the link in my post immediately previous. The book linked to in your last post is written by a wackjob who also wrote _The American Prophecies: Ancient Scriptures Reveal Our Nation’s Future_. Please excuse me if I don’t consider him an expert on foreign policy. So far, you basically have shit. You have nothing but some dittohead grade school name calling (‘Obamunist’) and some accusations that you are completely incapable of backing up. You’d better step aside and let the adults like \*\*Bricker \*\*take over. ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2009, 3:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/as-you-were-now-i-am/489317/43 "2009-03-13T15:59:00Z")
> [@Stan Shmenge](#): > > Jeez, do I have to look up EVERYTHING? This being GD, you are expected to provide cites for your factual assertions when other posters ask for them, yes. I’m a little surprised you didn’t already know that. Acting petulant and exasperated when other posters ask you for cites for your assertions is not a very effective way to impress people with the validity of your arguments, btw. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2009, 7:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/as-you-were-now-i-am/489317/44 "2009-03-13T19:12:50Z")
> [@](#): > > He has leftist credentials, which I feel are as bad for the world now as they were when Carter threw the Shah under the rug for an Islamacist regime back in the late 70’s. I love this. First of all, there’s the implication that credentials are somehow a bad thing (which, admittedly, would explain the last 8 years), and then the implication that the “Islamacist regime” currently controlling Iran is in some sense “leftist”. Then, of course, we later get the explanation that Carter is a “religious extremist”, and therefore sympathises with Islam. Well, OK, you could call him that, given that he actually took Jesus’s commandment to help the poor seriously (how evil of him!). ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2009, 9:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/as-you-were-now-i-am/489317/45 "2009-03-13T21:27:55Z")
> [@Robot\_Arm](#): > > Conservative posters would get called on the carpet when they defended Bush by citing Clinton’s misdeeds, so Obama’s performance isn’t made better or worse by Bush’s intellect. Actually it was **Stan** who brought it up claiming that Obama was no smarter than Bush, I was just responding to him. > [@Robot\_Arm](#): > > And it’s not quite fair to call Bush stupid. He graduated from Yale, flew fighter jets, and was president. He got a “Gentleman’s C” ( aka was handed graduation because he was rich ), was handed the Presidency, and was in general handed every “accomplishment” in his life, and then screwed it up and had to be bailed out. A literal chimpanzee could do almost as well; you don’t need intelligence to be handed something because of wealth and connections. ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2009, 10:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/as-you-were-now-i-am/489317/46 "2009-03-13T22:42:20Z")
> [@Stan\_Shmenge](#): > > To get things started: > > [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=510166](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=510166) > > [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=509949](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=509949) Since those actually do seem to have gotten things started and are not simply “Pit Lite” threads hoping to be mistaken for Great Debates, I encourage you to follow those examples already set and submit actual discussions to this Forum. This silliness is closed. (And whle Marley is not a Moderator in this Forum, he is welcome to post without being chivvied on the fact that he has the word “Moderator” beneath his username. I, on the other hand, am a Moderator in this Forum, although I also post here as a member. Just to help you get it straight in your mind.) [/Modding] [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/as-you-were-now-i-am/489317.md?page=2)