# AshenLady.... **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [February 7, 2011, 1:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ashenlady/570469 "2011-02-07T01:02:22Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 11
**Author:** ![FinnAgain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finnagain/32/12500_2.png) [@FinnAgain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinnAgain)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2011, 4:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ashenlady/570469/201 "2011-02-10T04:19:17Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > if your views on antisemitism differ in any explicable respect from **AshenLady** ’s, you would do well to explain how. Did you just miss the part about how you’re roughly as stupid as Gonzomax? Why on Earth would I try to explain anything so that it could penetrate your neutron-dense skull? And seeing as how pitifully stupid you are, and you can’t even figure out that it’d be on you to show how my comments are the same as hers, and not on me to show that they’re different, why should I waste time on your retarded-class Fetch Quest of a request? > [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > > [@Finn](#): > > > > Not too bright, are ya? > > Figured out yet that the phrases “holding the wolf by the ears” or “holding the tiger by the tail” aren’t, in fact, calling people subhuman and are, in fact, examples of common idioms that you lack the intellect and knowledge to comprehend? > > WTF are you on about? You seem to have me confused with somebody else. No, as I’ve pointed out you have a sub-functional brain. Perhaps, when God was handing out brains, he gave you an etch-a-sketch? Do you hear a sound like sand sliding if you tilt your head quickly in one direction or another? > [@Will Israel dismantle unauthorized settlements?](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-israel-dismantle-unauthorized-settlements/498504/120): > > > [@Will Israel dismantle unauthorized settlements?](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-israel-dismantle-unauthorized-settlements/498504/119): > > > > > [@Will Israel dismantle unauthorized settlements?](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-israel-dismantle-unauthorized-settlements/498504/118): > > > > > > > [@Will Israel dismantle unauthorized settlements?](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-israel-dismantle-unauthorized-settlements/498504/117): > > > > > > > > > [@Will Israel dismantle unauthorized settlements?](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-israel-dismantle-unauthorized-settlements/498504/108): > > > > > > > > > > > [@Will Israel dismantle unauthorized settlements?](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-israel-dismantle-unauthorized-settlements/498504/110): > > > > > > > > > > > > > [@Will Israel dismantle unauthorized settlements?](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-israel-dismantle-unauthorized-settlements/498504/113): > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The problem with the WB is that Israel now has the wolf by the ears. It wasn’t Israel’s fault that it grabbed the wolf in the first place - that’s the end result of a war of aggression against it, you may recall > > > > > > > > > > > > Part of the problem is seeing their neighbors, their fellow human beings, as “wolves”, innit? :dubious: What kind of response can they expect from that? > > > > > > > > > > It’s a metaphore for the situation, not a commentary on their humanity. :rolleyes: Further, I’m not addressing the Palestinians in person and I’m not an Israeli. > > > > > > > > Yet you’ve only provided a metaphor for one side, unless you think the Palestinians think of \*themselves \*as “wolves”. Is that the case? > > > > > > Give me a metaphore that is equally apropos for the situation and casts Israelis in the “animal role” and I’d happily adopt it. Or, conversely, be offended. Frankly I don’t care. 🙂 > > > > How about a metaphor that casts \*both \*peoples is the \*human \*role? Could you adopt one of those instead? > > Perhaps I could grab the bull by the horns. But given how you are crying wolf over the issue … I think you are like the dog in the manger on the subject of metaphores. And since stupidity is the gift that keeps giving, you later went at it _again_. > [@Serdar Argic's cousin is a member of the SDMB](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/serdar-argics-cousin-is-a-member-of-the-sdmb/500961/53): > > > [@Serdar Argic's cousin is a member of the SDMB](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/serdar-argics-cousin-is-a-member-of-the-sdmb/500961/50): > > > > > [@Serdar Argic's cousin is a member of the SDMB](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/serdar-argics-cousin-is-a-member-of-the-sdmb/500961/51): > > > > > > > [@Serdar Argic's cousin is a member of the SDMB](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/serdar-argics-cousin-is-a-member-of-the-sdmb/500961/49): > > > > > > > > > [@Serdar Argic's cousin is a member of the SDMB](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/serdar-argics-cousin-is-a-member-of-the-sdmb/500961/48): > > > > > > > > > > The highlight is our mutual friend **ElvisL1ves** taking extreme offense at my use of the expression “having the wolf by the ears” in reference to the Israel-Palestine situation on the WB. He took this to mean Israelis literally thought Palestinians were _subhuman_, and could not be moved from this POV. > > > > > > > > > > So yes, I think you are quite accurate - he’s simply too stupid to understand what is under discussion (or alternatively, deliberately _plays_ being stupid for laughs). > > > > > > > > Not “Israelis”, you. YOU. It was your own analogy. When asked if YOU could consider any other analogy, one that did not portray other humans as animals, YOU could not. > > > > > > > > Perhaps you ought to go back and reread your own spluttering before you get caught in any more such silly lies. > > > > > > > > Less schmuck, more mensch, bubbeleh. :rolleyes: > > > > > > Dude. 😃 > > > [quoting you, idiot] Not so fast with the rolleyes, please. You offered it as a metaphor for the Israeli POV, and that POV is what I’ve been trying to address and that you, among others, have instead been trying to rationalize. [/quoting you, idiot] > > > > It was actually Thomas Jefferson’s analogy. His quote about slavery is actually pretty apropos to the Israeli-Palestinian situation: [quoting Jefferson, idiot] > > "But, as it is, we have the wolf by the ear, and we can neither hold him, nor safely let him go. Justice is in one scale, and self-preservation in the other. "[/quoting Jefferson, idiot] > > Jefferson was referring to an _institution_, not a people. Makes a difference, doesn’t it? > > **Malthus** and **FinnAgain** are, as they showed in that thread, self-blinded to the point of being unable to consider Arabs even as fellow human beings. As pointed out, even common idioms are something your tiny etch-a-sketch cannot process, so you just spew pure liquid stupid. Just so we’re clear here, of course I view Arabs, Muslims, Jews, Asians, Africans, etc… as fully human. You, however, are somewhat sub-human. I think you are probably some evolutionary throwback, an Australopithecus afarensis thawed out of some glacier somewhere and taught to post on the internet and do party tricks. After your “daddy” and “mommy” taught you how to annoy people online, one of the first things they taught you was how to catch a thrown potato chip in your mouth, wasn’t it? ---
**Author:** ![ladyfoxfyre](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/ad7895/32.png) [@ladyfoxfyre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ladyfoxfyre)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2011, 5:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ashenlady/570469/202 "2011-02-10T05:29:52Z")
Oh my god that quoting hack job just gave me a headache. I don’t know what the fuck you’re talking about but I’m begging you to just stop quoting. ---
**Author:** ![FinnAgain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finnagain/32/12500_2.png) [@FinnAgain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinnAgain)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2011, 5:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ashenlady/570469/203 "2011-02-10T05:34:44Z")
Reading is _hard_. ---
**Author:** ![ladyfoxfyre](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/ad7895/32.png) [@ladyfoxfyre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ladyfoxfyre)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2011, 5:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ashenlady/570469/204 "2011-02-10T05:35:22Z")
Especially when nobody gives a shit about what you have to say. ---
**Author:** ![FinnAgain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finnagain/32/12500_2.png) [@FinnAgain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinnAgain)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2011, 5:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ashenlady/570469/205 "2011-02-10T05:41:34Z")
That’s okay sweetie, thinking is _hard_ too. ---
**Author:** ![ladyfoxfyre](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/ad7895/32.png) [@ladyfoxfyre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ladyfoxfyre)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2011, 5:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ashenlady/570469/206 "2011-02-10T05:46:00Z")
:rolleyes: Italics and condescension. What a crafty formula you have going on there! ---
**Author:** ![FinnAgain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finnagain/32/12500_2.png) [@FinnAgain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinnAgain)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2011, 5:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ashenlady/570469/207 "2011-02-10T05:55:47Z")
Somehow, I may be able to cope with your lack of approval. ---
**Author:** ![sqweels](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f19dbf/32.png) [@sqweels](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sqweels)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2011, 6:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ashenlady/570469/208 "2011-02-10T06:07:22Z")
Let’s see if I have this straight… There was this Jewish kid, see, and he grabbed this wolf by the ears. The wolf cried out but the villagers ignored the cry of the wolf because wolves are generally full of shit. So he wolf ate the kid out of spite. The End. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2011, 6:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ashenlady/570469/209 "2011-02-10T06:43:30Z")
Hence the expression, “Ear today, gone tomorrow”. ---
**Author:** ![Inner\_Stickler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inner_stickler/32/318_2.png) [@Inner\_Stickler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inner_Stickler)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2011, 6:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ashenlady/570469/210 "2011-02-10T06:49:15Z")
Why are they spelling metaphors as metaphores? ---
**Author:** ![FinnAgain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finnagain/32/12500_2.png) [@FinnAgain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinnAgain)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2011, 6:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ashenlady/570469/211 "2011-02-10T06:55:29Z")
Repeated typo. Pretty sure there was a joke about it somewhere too, like metaphore is a signal like semaphore. Been a while, Elvis’ angry stupidity stood out, but I don’t recall the jokes, tbh. ---
**Author:** ![leander](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/bcef8e/32.png) [@leander](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/leander)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2011, 11:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ashenlady/570469/212 "2011-02-10T11:23:45Z")
Good old Frothy. Does anyone take you seriously anymore, aside from a few nutjobs like not\_alice? Maybe you should try your angry, loony bit at another board where your frothy history isn’t so well-established (and searchable)… ---
**Author:** ![j666](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/9de0a6/32.png) [@j666](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/j666)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2011, 1:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ashenlady/570469/213 "2011-02-10T13:54:15Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > That’s not so much a lie, as it is an apparent symptom of delusional psychosis. > [@John\_Mace](#): > > Wow, you really are a deluded nut. It’s more likely that the Jews will be kicked out of Israel and will end up in the US. > [@John\_Mace](#): > > Jews are safer in the US than they are in Israel right now. Much safer. > [@Guinastasia](#): > > A tragic event, all around, but how that proves Jews are going to be wiped off the map today? > [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > I vaguely sympathize with Ashen’s views, since I accept the remote possibility of modern pogroms. As an aside, I would like to suggest that this thread shows disturbing evidence of an ‘It could never happen here’ attitude. At this point in history, is a US pogrom\* likely? Maybe not. But do we truly believe we are now so enlightened, peaceful, and accepting of all diversity that there could never be an organized attempted destruction of an ethnic or religious group? (Not if we’ve been reading Ashen’s posts.) If I were Arab and/or Muslim in America right now, I would be stashing some savings in Canada; maybe I would be if I were Jewish, too. - Is ‘pogrom’ used to refer exclusively to Jew? ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2011, 3:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ashenlady/570469/214 "2011-02-10T15:10:56Z")
> [@j66](#): > > As an aside, I would like to suggest that this thread shows disturbing evidence of an ‘It could never happen here’ attitude. > > At this point in history, is a US pogrom\* likely? Maybe not. But do we truly believe we are now so enlightened, peaceful, and accepting of all diversity that there could never be an organized attempted destruction of an ethnic or religious group? (Not if we’ve been reading Ashen’s posts.) > > If I were Arab and/or Muslim in America right now, I would be stashing some savings in Canada; maybe I would be if I were Jewish, too. > > - Is ‘pogrom’ used to refer exclusively to Jew? Anything could happen anywhere, given enough time and the right circumstances. That doesn’t mean that in the near-to-medium future a pogrom of any sort is “likely” in America, and it’s hardly living in denial to say so. Furthermore, the Muslims are not going to take over and impose Sharia law on everyone, Communism is not going to become the main economic system, Spanish is not going to become the official language of the US (at least not for several decades), and robots are not stealing your luggage, despite what anyone on this or any other messageboard says. Happy now? ---
**Author:** ![42fish](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/4/b487fb/32.png) [@42fish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/42fish)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2011, 3:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ashenlady/570469/215 "2011-02-10T15:17:01Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > Furthermore, the Muslims are not going to take over and impose Sharia law on everyone, Communism is not going to become the main economic system, Spanish is not going to become the official language of the US (at least not for several decades), and robots are not stealing your luggage, despite what anyone on this or any other messageboard says. However, a massive criminal conspiracy _is_ breaking into your hotel rooms and gassing you in your sleep, hoping you’ll write it off as jet lag. (Anyone else remember that classic from GQ?) ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2011, 3:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ashenlady/570469/216 "2011-02-10T15:28:45Z")
> [@42fish](#): > > However, a massive criminal conspiracy _is_ breaking into your hotel rooms and gassing you in your sleep, hoping you’ll write it off as jet lag. Well, yeah. That one is definitely true. Either that, or it was the burritos they ate on the plane. ---
**Author:** ![j666](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/9de0a6/32.png) [@j666](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/j666)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2011, 4:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ashenlady/570469/217 "2011-02-10T16:47:13Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > Anything could happen anywhere, given enough time and the right circumstances. That doesn’t mean that in the near-to-medium future a pogrom of any sort is “likely” in America, and it’s hardly living in denial to say so. > > Furthermore, the Muslims are not going to take over and impose Sharia law on everyone, Communism is not going to become the main economic system, Spanish is not going to become the official language of the US (at least not for several decades), and robots are not stealing your luggage, despite what anyone on this or any other messageboard says. > > Happy now? No, not really … I have watch a steady dimunition of my privacy this centuary. I have witnesses several waves of ethnic and religious based hatred. I am not so sanguine as you appear to be. As for the rest, I am more worried about the imposition of christian law than sharia in the US; Is that delusional? I am aware that Spanish has been spoken on this continent longer than any other European language. I always pack a change of clothes in my carry-on because luggage does go astray. ---
**Author:** ![j666](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/9de0a6/32.png) [@j666](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/j666)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2011, 4:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ashenlady/570469/218 "2011-02-10T16:55:48Z")
The US has been a nice place to live for a lot of different types of people, but many peoples have been demonized, marginalized, and robbed by the government. I see no evidence to believe that will never happen again. Were I a Jew with a reasonable knowledge of European history, I might not be so confident it would not happen to the Jews in the US in my lifetime. ---
**Author:** ![AshenLady](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/94ad74/32.png) [@AshenLady](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AshenLady)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2011, 5:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ashenlady/570469/219 "2011-02-10T17:03:14Z")
I have no problem with speaking Spanish or not, and I don’t care about Sharia law here in the USA, although it’s a travesty in the middle east, nor do I care one scintilla about communism, nor any aspect of it. However, Islamic terrorism is a constant threat everywhere, anywhere, at any time. I haven’t heard of any Swedes or Norwegians blowing anything up. Tell me all about Scandinavian terrorism that has impeded the freedom to go on an airplane without being searched like a criminal. ---
**Author:** ![Lemur866](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lemur866/32/434_2.png) [@Lemur866](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lemur866)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2011, 5:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ashenlady/570469/220 "2011-02-10T17:20:15Z")
> [@j66](#): > > The US has been a nice place to live for a lot of different types of people, but many peoples have been demonized, marginalized, and robbed by the government. I see no evidence to believe that will never happen again. Were I a Jew with a reasonable knowledge of European history, I might not be so confident it would not happen to the Jews in the US in my lifetime. Sure, except if there are pogroms against Jews in the United States, having a bag packed to go to Canada probably ain’t gonna do much good. Like, what if Hitler 2.0 was born in Canada, and then when he becomes dictator combines Canada and the United States into one country? How’s that going to work out for you? If you’re paranoid about getting killed in a pogrom for being Jewish, where exactly are you going to go where you’re less likely to be killed for being a Jew than the United States? The answer to that question isn’t Israel, because of the whole, you know, terrorism thing. If you know of a country that is more friendly to Jews, you’re welcome to keep your bags packed, your ticket purchased, and keep one eye on CNN all day so you know when you’re going to need to flee the country. But it seems to me that if things change so there are pogroms here in the United States, that other country that you think is so safe is probably going to be having pogroms as well. And by that time Israel is likely to be a couple of radioactive craters. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ashenlady/570469.md?page=10) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ashenlady/570469.md?page=12)