# AshenLady.... **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [February 7, 2011, 1:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ashenlady/570469 "2011-02-07T01:02:22Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2011, 1:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ashenlady/570469/21 "2011-02-07T01:52:17Z")
Oh, well if your **mom** said it, it must be true then. It it fun playing the victim? ---
**Author:** ![AshenLady](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/94ad74/32.png) [@AshenLady](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AshenLady)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2011, 1:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ashenlady/570469/22 "2011-02-07T01:52:23Z")
> [@Guinastasia](#): > > Are you retarded? Are you??? ---
**Author:** ![Cat\_Whisperer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cat_whisperer/32/4839_2.png) [@Cat\_Whisperer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cat_Whisperer)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2011, 1:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ashenlady/570469/23 "2011-02-07T01:52:37Z")
Doesn’t the US get criticised on the international stage for being TOO much on the side of Israel, to the point of ignoring the country’s flaws and misdemeanours? ---
**Author:** ![Kyla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/eada6e/32.png) [@Kyla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kyla)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2011, 1:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ashenlady/570469/24 "2011-02-07T01:52:55Z")
> [@AshenLady](#): > > I’ve been to Israel twice. I didn’t hang with Muslims. Kol hakavod. It still has a WAY higher proportion of Muslims in the population than the US. Unless you plan on never interacting with anyone outside of your social circle, it’s not a good place to go if you want to avoid Muslims. Your thought process is that to avoid Muslims, you want to leave the US - where Muslims account for ~2% of the general population - to go to Israel. Where Muslims are about ~16% of the population. Not only that, but the US is an immense country and Muslims tend to be concentrated in small areas. Israel is a tiny country with a densely packed population, and Muslims are all over the place. Your logic is wacky. ETA: p.s. are you my bubbe? This totally sounds like something she would say. But she’s 93. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2011, 1:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ashenlady/570469/25 "2011-02-07T01:53:35Z")
> [@AshenLady](#): > > No one else uses their religion as an excuse for violence, Um, that’s just not true. > [@](#): > > nor would it be tolerated, why so does Islam get a pass? Who is giving Islam a pass? > [@](#): > > People have all kinds of vendettas, but they don’t use their religion to give it credence, only Islam does. Issues and problems have driven people to violence, but only Muslims do so, as an excuse to incite violence. Bullshit. ---
**Author:** ![AshenLady](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/94ad74/32.png) [@AshenLady](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AshenLady)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2011, 1:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ashenlady/570469/26 "2011-02-07T01:54:00Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > Oh, well if your **mom** said it, it must be true then. > > It it fun playing the victim? She was a first generation American, and was the daughter of victims of oppression in Eastern Europe. Don’t think that history never repeats itself. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2011, 1:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ashenlady/570469/27 "2011-02-07T01:55:30Z")
> [@AshenLady](#): > > Don’t worry; John, if you know your history, this could never, ever happen…remember the St. Louis? Jews are safer in the US than they are in Israel right now. Much safer. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Tooth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c67d28/32.png) [@The\_Tooth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Tooth)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2011, 1:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ashenlady/570469/28 "2011-02-07T01:58:02Z")
St. Louis, St. Louis . . . nope, doesn’t ring a bell. Was he Jewish? ---
**Author:** ![AshenLady](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/94ad74/32.png) [@AshenLady](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AshenLady)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2011, 1:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ashenlady/570469/29 "2011-02-07T01:58:45Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > Um, that’s just not true. > > Who is giving Islam a pass? > > Bullshit. The left wing is always crapping on Israel and defending Islam. I lean left in everything polticial, but because I am a backer of Israel, I can’t call myself anything but a Sean Hannity shill, beings a Pro-Israeli. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2011, 2:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ashenlady/570469/30 "2011-02-07T02:02:36Z")
> [@The\_Tooth](#): > > St. Louis, St. Louis . . . nope, doesn’t ring a bell. Was he Jewish? I believe she’s referring to the so-called [Voyage of the Damned](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SS_St._Louis). A tragic event, all around, but how that proves Jews are going to be wiped off the map today? (At least that’s what I’M getting out of her rantings.) ---
**Author:** ![even\_sven](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/dfb087/32.png) [@even\_sven](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/even_sven)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2011, 2:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ashenlady/570469/31 "2011-02-07T02:02:50Z")
Well I, for one, am going to celebrate “giving Islam a pass” tonight. The guy at the store by my house didn’t give me enough change, but since I think he was Muslim, I didn’t say a word. It’s fun to give Islam a pass! ---
**Author:** ![Frank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Frank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frank)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2011, 2:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ashenlady/570469/32 "2011-02-07T02:02:52Z")
> [@The\_Tooth](#): > > St. Louis, St. Louis . . . nope, doesn’t ring a bell. Was he Jewish? The [SS St. Louis](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SS_St._Louis) ---
**Author:** ![AshenLady](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/94ad74/32.png) [@AshenLady](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AshenLady)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2011, 2:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ashenlady/570469/33 "2011-02-07T02:03:40Z")
In fact, I vote Democratic, I am pro just about everything that Obama has stood for; but I’d like to see more social programs, not less, meals for kids who are going without in this economy, I’m for universal healthcare, I want to see fulll employment, and taxation of the richest of us, yet, because I am Pro-Israeli and have family over there, my vote doesn’t count for Jack-shit and everyone is so hot to to toss Israel under a bus, for the sake of Egypt now, with friends like this, who needs enemies? ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2011, 2:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ashenlady/570469/34 "2011-02-07T02:04:09Z")
> [@Frank](#): > > The [SS St. Louis](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SS_St._Louis) Funny, he doesn’t \*look \*Jewish. ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Excellent](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f19dbf/32.png) [@Mr.Excellent](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Excellent)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2011, 2:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ashenlady/570469/35 "2011-02-07T02:06:13Z")
> [@AshenLady](#): > > My mother, rest in peace, said that someday, not in her time, but maybe in mine or her grandchildrens’, what happened in England, France, Spain, Russia and everywhere else on earth, Jews would be tossed out of the USA, just like the rest of the powers in their time. > > I can see this happening. Please name the political party that both tolerates anti-Semitism and wins elections in the US. > [@AshenLady](#): > > I’ve been to Israel twice. I didn’t hang with Muslims. Your loss. If and when I ever visit Israel, I intend to make hanging with Muslims a priority. Would be fascinating to pick their brains on the Israeli Muslim experience. > [@AshenLady](#): > > No one else uses their religion as an excuse for violence, nor would it be tolerated, why so does Islam get a pass? People have all kinds of vendettas, but they don’t use their religion to give it credence, only Islam does. Issues and problems have driven people to violence, but only Muslims do so, as an excuse to incite violence. Oh, too easy. I’ll kick it off with Hindu Nationalists in India and evangelical Christians in Uganda - anyone else want to add to the list? ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2011, 2:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ashenlady/570469/36 "2011-02-07T02:07:50Z")
> [@even\_sven](#): > > Well I, for one, am going to celebrate “giving Islam a pass” tonight. > > The guy at the store by my house didn’t give me enough change, but since I think he was Muslim, I didn’t say a word. It’s fun to give Islam a pass! I think she meant that all the Wide Receivers in the Super Bowl right now are Muslim. ---
**Author:** ![AshenLady](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/94ad74/32.png) [@AshenLady](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AshenLady)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2011, 2:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ashenlady/570469/37 "2011-02-07T02:09:08Z")
> [@Mr.Excellent](#): > > Please name the political party that both tolerates anti-Semitism and wins elections in the US. > > Your loss. If and when I ever visit Israel, I intend to make hanging with Muslims a priority. Would be fascinating to pick their brains on the Israeli Muslim experience. > > Oh, too easy. I’ll kick it off with Hindu Nationalists in India and evangelical Christians in Uganda - anyone else want to add to the list? The GOP has already called for a cessation of ALL aid to Israel, Rand Paul, Tea Baggers and they are using financial problems as a reason to cut aid to Israel. ---
**Author:** ![AshenLady](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/94ad74/32.png) [@AshenLady](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AshenLady)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2011, 2:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ashenlady/570469/38 "2011-02-07T02:10:10Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > I think she meant that all the Wide Receivers in the Super Bowl right now are Muslim. No, they are from Samoa, Polamalu anyway. ---
**Author:** ![Claverhouse](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/13edae/32.png) [@Claverhouse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Claverhouse)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2011, 2:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ashenlady/570469/39 "2011-02-07T02:11:23Z")
> [@AshenLady](#): > > My mother, rest in peace, said that someday, not in her time, but maybe in mine or her grandchildrens’, what happened in England, France, Spain, Russia and everywhere else on earth, Jews would be tossed out of the USA, just like the rest of the powers in their time. > > I can see this happening. America appears to have been more friendly and beneficial to jewish people than any other country on earth (apart from Israel, of course ). One small problem occurs with jewish demographics in that they never seem to like the host populations much. And prefer the hosts’ majority cultures weakened in order to prevent such persecution of their people as has happened elsewhere. The USA is unlikely to turn on jewish people, nor on Israel: but if events wipe out American power ( as may happen to any major power even, say China or India if enough of them died from a new plague ) and/or diminish the post-protestant christian influence in America, I should not think the prospects for jews will be very good in a muslim or Chinese dominated world, nor would there be many places to go next _en masse_. ---
**Author:** ![FinnAgain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finnagain/32/12500_2.png) [@FinnAgain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinnAgain)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2011, 2:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ashenlady/570469/40 "2011-02-07T02:14:10Z")
Ashen, you are an idiot and a bigot. Seriously, shut the fuck up and go away. Thanks. Oh, and as long as I’m at it: > [@Claverhouse](#): > > One small problem occurs with jewish demographics in that they never seem to like the host populations much. And prefer the hosts’ majority cultures weakened in order to prevent such persecution of their people as has happened elsewhere. This is fucking stupid too. “Host” populations? We haven’t officially divided nations into their “real” citizens and the Jews since the dark days of the early 20th century. It’s not a choice between being German and Jewish anymore. And no, Jews don’t nefariously try to weaken their “host” nations culture so as to prevent persecution. Good lord, is it too much to ask for a week or two to pass without some really striking religion or ethnic-based stupidity? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ashenlady/570469.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ashenlady/570469.md?page=3)