# AshenLady.... **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [February 7, 2011, 1:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ashenlady/570469 "2011-02-07T01:02:22Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2011, 2:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ashenlady/570469/41 "2011-02-07T02:14:34Z")
> [@](#): > > Originally Posted by Euphonious Polemic > Oh, well if your mom said it, it must be true then. > > It it fun playing the victim? > [@AshenLady](#): > > She was a first generation American, and was the daughter of victims of oppression in Eastern Europe. Don’t think that history never repeats itself. So, the answer to my question would be “yes” then. Thanks for your honesty. ---
**Author:** ![Kyla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/eada6e/32.png) [@Kyla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kyla)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2011, 2:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ashenlady/570469/42 "2011-02-07T02:15:32Z")
> [@Claverhouse](#): > > One small problem occurs with jewish demographics in that they never seem to like the host populations much. And prefer the hosts’ majority cultures weakened in order to prevent such persecution of their people as has happened elsewhere. What? ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Excellent](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f19dbf/32.png) [@Mr.Excellent](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Excellent)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2011, 2:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ashenlady/570469/43 "2011-02-07T02:18:15Z")
> [@AshenLady](#): > > The GOP has already called for a cessation of ALL aid to Israel, Rand Paul, Tea Baggers and they are using financial problems as a reason to cut aid to Israel. That, however, is not anti-Semitism. Whether you agree with their position or not, these men advocate a change in our relationship with _Israel_ - a foreign power, just like any other foreign power. It’s certainly possible for one to be both critical of Israel and an anti-Semite - “I don’t like aid to Israel because Israel is full of Jews” - but one can also be critical of Israel for reasons that have nothing to do with Judaism: “I don’t believe Israel treats the Palestinians fairly, so I don’t want to send them aid.” ---
**Author:** ![Ibn\_Warraq](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/e19b73/32.png) [@Ibn\_Warraq](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ibn_Warraq)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2011, 2:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ashenlady/570469/44 "2011-02-07T02:21:10Z")
> [@AshenLady](#): > > No, they are from Samoa, Polamalu anyway. He’s a defensive back, not a wide receiver. ---
**Author:** ![Ibn\_Warraq](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/e19b73/32.png) [@Ibn\_Warraq](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ibn_Warraq)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2011, 2:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ashenlady/570469/45 "2011-02-07T02:23:31Z")
> [@Claverhouse](#): > > One small problem occurs with jewish demographics in that they never seem to like the host populations much. And prefer the hosts’ majority cultures weakened in order to prevent such persecution of their people as has happened elsewhere. Huh? ---
**Author:** ![loshan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/ce73a5/32.png) [@loshan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/loshan)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2011, 2:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ashenlady/570469/46 "2011-02-07T02:24:55Z")
> [@AshenLady](#): > > My mother, rest in peace, said that someday, not in her time, but maybe in mine or her grandchildrens’, what happened in England, France, Spain, Russia and everywhere else on earth, Jews would be tossed out of the USA, just like the rest of the powers in their time. > > I can see this happening. Maybe you should get your sight checked. Jus’ sayin. ---
**Author:** ![AshenLady](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/94ad74/32.png) [@AshenLady](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AshenLady)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2011, 2:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ashenlady/570469/47 "2011-02-07T02:25:45Z")
> [@Ibn\_Warraq](#): > > He’s a defensive back, not a wide receiver. and not a Muslim, either. ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2011, 2:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ashenlady/570469/48 "2011-02-07T02:25:53Z")
_ **SS** St. Louis_? Nah. Too easy. ---
**Author:** ![AshenLady](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/94ad74/32.png) [@AshenLady](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AshenLady)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2011, 2:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ashenlady/570469/49 "2011-02-07T02:27:46Z")
> [@FinnAgain](#): > > Ashen, you are an idiot and a bigot. > Seriously, shut the fuck up and go away. > > Thanks. > > Oh, and as long as I’m at it: > > This is fucking stupid too. “Host” populations? We haven’t officially divided nations into their “real” citizens and the Jews since the dark days of the early 20th century. It’s not a choice between being German and Jewish anymore. And no, Jews don’t nefariously try to weaken their “host” nations culture so as to prevent persecution. > Good lord, is it too much to ask for a week or two to pass without some really striking religion or ethnic-based stupidity? You’re pretty fucked up, yourself, ole boy. ---
**Author:** ![AshenLady](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/94ad74/32.png) [@AshenLady](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AshenLady)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2011, 2:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ashenlady/570469/50 "2011-02-07T02:30:40Z")
> [@Claverhouse](#): > > America appears to have been more friendly and beneficial to jewish people than any other country on earth (apart from Israel, of course ). > > One small problem occurs with jewish demographics in that they never seem to like the host populations much. And prefer the hosts’ majority cultures weakened in order to prevent such persecution of their people as has happened elsewhere. > > The USA is unlikely to turn on jewish people, nor on Israel: but if events wipe out American power ( as may happen to any major power even, say China or India if enough of them died from a new plague ) and/or diminish the post-protestant christian influence in America, I should not think the prospects for jews will be very good in a muslim or Chinese dominated world, nor would there be many places to go next _en masse_. Um, German Jews were very, very Pro-German and took their patriotism seriously, as in WWI, they proudly served. They were the product of Moses Mendelsohn’s entreaties for Jews to assimilate and assimilate they did. They almost tried to “out-German” the Germans. This annoyed the Germans, no end. ---
**Author:** ![loshan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/ce73a5/32.png) [@loshan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/loshan)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2011, 2:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ashenlady/570469/51 "2011-02-07T02:34:35Z")
> [@AshenLady](#): > > Um, German Jews were very, very Pro-German and took their patriotism seriously, as in WWI, they proudly served. They were the product of Moses Mendelsohn’s entreaties for Jews to assimilate and assimilate they did. They almost tried to “out-German” the Germans. This annoyed the Germans, no end. So, if I am reading this right. It isn’t about Muslims, or Germans, or Americans. It is pretty much anyone who is. not. Jewish. Right? Yeah. Have fun with that. ---
**Author:** ![Claverhouse](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/13edae/32.png) [@Claverhouse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Claverhouse)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2011, 2:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ashenlady/570469/52 "2011-02-07T02:41:56Z")
> [@Kyla](#): > > What? Of every place where jews were a distinctive minority, from Babylon to Egypt to Rome to medieval europe to Dar al Islam, including Ottoman Turkey, to Poland and eastern europe over the last 500 years, they seem to have heartily disliked and despised ( with possibly good reason, except no-one was forcing them to stay wherever apart from the first two ) the dominant majority. The only real place they felt happy was in late 19th century Germany, once they’d left the ghetto. That didn’t work out that well. For those reasons a few of them supported revolutions and idealistic changes that didn’t benefit the host countries that much in the end. Although not typical of the whole this fed into the anti-semites’ obsessions and bred distrust. The most were typified by the few. And when I say not _typical of the whole_ it can never ever be emphasized too much that most jewish people throughout history have been dirt-poor: as opposed to the baroque fantasies of ‘wealthy exploiting jews’ favoured by anti-jewish lunatics. There may be a Rothschild Family, with a rich and wondrous internet sub-culture devoted to their alleged machinations, but most were not Rothschilds. Even in Poland. ---
**Author:** ![Steve\_MB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steve_mb/32/5339_2.png) [@Steve\_MB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steve_MB)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2011, 2:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ashenlady/570469/53 "2011-02-07T02:42:01Z")
> [@AshenLady](#): > > No one else uses their religion as an excuse for violence You really _aren’t_ very bright, are you? ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2011, 2:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ashenlady/570469/54 "2011-02-07T02:43:10Z")
> [@AshenLady](#): > > The GOP has already called for a cessation of ALL aid to Israel, I call BS on that. > [@](#): > > Rand Paul, Tea Baggers and they are using financial problems as a reason to cut aid to Israel. Rand Paul is a libertarian when it comes to foreign aid. He probably doesn’t want anyone to get foreign aid. ---
**Author:** ![Ludovic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ab992/32.png) [@Ludovic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ludovic)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2011, 2:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ashenlady/570469/55 "2011-02-07T02:43:46Z")
> [@Claverhouse](#): > > The USA is unlikely to turn on jewish people I know I was pretty unsuccessful at it in high school ☹ ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2011, 2:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ashenlady/570469/56 "2011-02-07T02:45:01Z")
> [@Claverhouse](#): > > Of every place where jews were a distinctive minority, from Babylon to Egypt to Rome to medieval europe to Dar al Islam, including Ottoman Turkey, to Poland and eastern europe over the last 500 years, they seem to have heartily disliked and despised ( with possibly good reason, except no-one was forcing them to stay wherever apart from the first two ) the dominant majority. Well, I can’t imagine why. What with how splendidly they were treated everywhere. ---
**Author:** ![loshan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/ce73a5/32.png) [@loshan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/loshan)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2011, 2:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ashenlady/570469/57 "2011-02-07T02:53:22Z")
> [@Steve\_MB](#): > > You really _aren’t_ very bright, are you? No shit. \*\* > [@](#): > > No one else uses their religion as an excuse for violence \*\* Number one reason for violence, through all humanity. All religions have participated in this lovely tradition.[Your’s is not an exception.](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judaism_and_violence) ---
**Author:** ![Dissonance](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/85f322/32.png) [@Dissonance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dissonance)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2011, 2:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ashenlady/570469/58 "2011-02-07T02:58:43Z")
> [@Claverhouse](#): > > favoured by anti-jewish lunatics. The irony, it burns. ---
**Author:** ![AshenLady](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/94ad74/32.png) [@AshenLady](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AshenLady)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2011, 3:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ashenlady/570469/59 "2011-02-07T03:03:46Z")
I’m busy with the football game. I can’t do both…I shouldn’t have tried. ---
**Author:** ![loshan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/ce73a5/32.png) [@loshan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/loshan)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2011, 3:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ashenlady/570469/60 "2011-02-07T03:09:33Z")
> [@AshenLady](#): > > I’m busy with the football game. I can’t do both…I shouldn’t have tried. LMAO Perfect. Can’t defend, so disengage. Got it. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ashenlady/570469.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ashenlady/570469.md?page=4)