# AshenLady.... **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [February 7, 2011, 1:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ashenlady/570469 "2011-02-07T01:02:22Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![FriarTed](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/friarted/32/1052_2.png) [@FriarTed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FriarTed)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2011, 5:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ashenlady/570469/81 "2011-02-07T05:24:03Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > I call BS on that. > > Rand Paul is a libertarian when it comes to foreign aid. He probably doesn’t want anyone to get foreign aid. Right you are. That is exactly what Rand Paul was saying- he just made it a point that Israel was NOT an exception to his call to end foreign aid. And EVERY GOP LEADER promptly repudiated his statement. I also second the observations that Jews are safer here than in Israel & it would be more likely (tho God forbid) that Israeli Jews would have to flee here for safety than vice versa. America & Israel are spiritual & I believe physical kindred. ---
**Author:** ![Capitaine\_Zombie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e95f7d/32.png) [@Capitaine\_Zombie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Capitaine_Zombie)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2011, 5:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ashenlady/570469/82 "2011-02-07T05:30:32Z")
> [@tomndebb](#): > > Addressed to Finn Again:I can’t wait until she starts pointing out how he is anti-Jewish. 😃 Wow, you know you may have mental issues when FinnAgain tells you your defense of Judaism sounds bigoted. ---
**Author:** ![FinnAgain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finnagain/32/12500_2.png) [@FinnAgain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinnAgain)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2011, 5:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ashenlady/570469/83 "2011-02-07T05:37:30Z")
> [@FriarTed](#): > > Right you are. That is exactly what Rand Paul was saying- he just made it a point that Israel was NOT an exception to his call to end foreign aid. And EVERY GOP LEADER promptly repudiated his statement. > I also second the observations that Jews are safer here than in Israel & it would be more likely (tho God forbid) that Israeli Jews would have to flee here for safety than vice versa. America & Israel are spiritual & I believe physical kindred. Truly, I’m having a little bit of trouble believing that Ashen is for real. She’s the very caricature of the whole Muslim-hater-who-thinks-that-criticism-of-Israel-is-antisemitism nutbar that folks like to talk about but I’ve never actually seen in real life. If she’s not playing a role, then hopefully at least she can earn herself a quick ban with a few more “raghead” slurs tossed out here and there. > [@Capitaine\_Zombie](#): > > Wow, you know you may have mental issues when FinnAgain tells you your defense of Judaism sounds bigoted. You know you may be an idiot if you think that Ashen hating Muslims is, in fact, a defense of Judaism. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2011, 5:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ashenlady/570469/84 "2011-02-07T05:43:26Z")
> [@AshenLady](#): > > Go fuck yourself where you breathe!!! > [@AshenLady](#): > > Fuckwit! > [@AshenLady](#): > > drop dead and go to hell. > [@AshenLady](#): > > Drop dead. Your powers of logical reasoning are not persuasive to me at this time. You may wish to take an anger management class, or at least figure out where your hatred is coming from. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2011, 6:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ashenlady/570469/85 "2011-02-07T06:07:38Z")
I vaguely sympathize with Ashen’s views, since I accept the remote possibility of modern pogroms. Just her views, though, not her childish behaviour. Also, if I could magically eliminate all religions except one, I’d preserve Judaism and fuck the rest. If I could eliminate all religions, period… ---
**Author:** ![loshan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/ce73a5/32.png) [@loshan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/loshan)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2011, 6:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ashenlady/570469/86 "2011-02-07T06:12:17Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > Your powers of logical reasoning are not persuasive to me at this time. You may wish to take an anger management class, or at least figure out where your hatred is coming from. These are great arguments. Guaranteed to convince. “Fuck you, drop dead, go to hell.” I am coming around to your point of view already. Amazing how that works. Not. ---
**Author:** ![loshan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/ce73a5/32.png) [@loshan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/loshan)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2011, 6:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ashenlady/570469/87 "2011-02-07T06:18:59Z")
Too late for edit: Not for **Euphonious Polemic** Reply directed to **AshenLady** ---
**Author:** ![The\_Tao\_s\_Revenge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/73ab20/32.png) [@The\_Tao\_s\_Revenge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Tao_s_Revenge)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2011, 6:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ashenlady/570469/88 "2011-02-07T06:31:38Z")
As-salaamu Alaikum **AshenLady** ---
**Author:** ![Inner\_Stickler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inner_stickler/32/318_2.png) [@Inner\_Stickler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inner_Stickler)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2011, 6:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ashenlady/570469/89 "2011-02-07T06:43:34Z")
> [@AshenLady](#): > > Go fuck yourself where you breathe!!! The contortions I am imagining one must engage in to fulfill this command are rather amusing, if probably hard on the spine. AshenLady, may every day greet you with the opportunity to make a muslim friend. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2011, 6:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ashenlady/570469/90 "2011-02-07T06:49:04Z")
How about a _Twilight_ scenario? Torn by her passion for a Muslim werewolf and a Jewish vampire! We can work in that classic line: “_Oy_, have you ever got the wrong vampire!” ---
**Author:** ![Claverhouse](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/13edae/32.png) [@Claverhouse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Claverhouse)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2011, 6:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ashenlady/570469/91 "2011-02-07T06:54:50Z")
> [@FinnAgain](#): > > Just so we’re clear here, the history of a anti-Jewish racism and/or violence is something that you think happened “possibly with good reason”. Not like those crazy fuckers who think that Jews are wealthy. Should you read with — much, much — greater care, you may see that I suggested the jewish minority in such places as they were situated _may have had good reason_ to hate and despise those who were the majority. Which neither excuses their bigotry against the christian or muslim majorities nor condemns it. Just understands it. ---
**Author:** ![madrabbitwoman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c37758/32.png) [@madrabbitwoman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/madrabbitwoman)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2011, 6:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ashenlady/570469/92 "2011-02-07T06:59:58Z")
Sorry but was unable to give a muslim a hug today. I did however get to teach one some English. Later in the week not only will I teach some English to a muslim lady but I will probably give her a hug to - but this is normal behaviour so I will have to think up something extra nice to do. ---
**Author:** ![FinnAgain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finnagain/32/12500_2.png) [@FinnAgain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinnAgain)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2011, 7:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ashenlady/570469/93 "2011-02-07T07:06:19Z")
You are correct, I misread. I thought that you’d flubbed your text and missed a “been” and “by”. Since actual reality was that Jews were hated and despised in many countries but didn’t have any actual objection to various cultures most of the time, except when they were all about persecuting them. But you’ve clarified that you’re making the slightly less stupid claim that in every place Jews have lived over the last 500 years, they’ve “disliked and despised” the majority member of their “host” countries, and were “bigoted” against them. Of course, that’s still not different than your earlier assertion that “they never seem to like the host populations much. And prefer the hosts’ majority cultures weakened.” A rather odd and conspiratorial way of saying “Jews are often persecuted and would kinda prefer that they wouldn’t be.” ---
**Author:** ![Doctor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e0b2c6/32.png) [@Doctor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Doctor)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2011, 7:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ashenlady/570469/94 "2011-02-07T07:09:39Z")
Funny thing about all of this is that I work with 2 girls who are Jewish and from Isreal and neither one of them has ever said a bad thing about a Muslim. Funny how that is. You might expect them to have more reason to do so than anyone living in America. But I think they know that all the conflict is much more political than it is religious. There are some serious fucked up politics in that area unfortunately in a large part fueled by the US, Great Britian and other nations who have stuck their fingers in the pie (oil is a big motivation, obviously). So let’s stir up some conflict so some other faction does not get to big a peice of the pie. But I must say, of all the Jewish people I have known, AshenLady is far and away the craziest and most racist – mainly because all the other Jewish people I knew were great people. If you think Jews are some sort of oppressed people in America, you are living in a box with no windows. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2011, 7:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ashenlady/570469/95 "2011-02-07T07:13:20Z")
> [@AshenLady](#): > > Go fuck yourself where you breathe!!! > [@AshenLady](#): > > drop dead and go to hell. > [@AshenLady](#): > > Drop dead. [Moderating] **AshenLady** , please note [this thread](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=508858) which lists specific insults which are forbidden, even in the Pit, including “fuck yourself.” Also, note the prohibition in [this thread](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=507985) against wishing death or harm on other posters. Please refrain from making these sorts of statements in the future. No warning issued. [/Moderating] ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2011, 7:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ashenlady/570469/96 "2011-02-07T07:21:00Z")
[Quote=AshenLady] Go fuck yourself where you breathe!!! [/quote] I picture the Godess designing people. “OK, the one with the dick, I crank up the horniness vector up to eleven. Hmmm, maybe make the spine extra flexible so they can bend down and give themselves…oh, maybe not that good an idea. Horny to max, spine stiff, put the wobbly bits on the other one. Yeah, that works…” ---
**Author:** ![Dissonance](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/85f322/32.png) [@Dissonance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dissonance)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2011, 8:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ashenlady/570469/97 "2011-02-07T08:22:18Z")
> [@Claverhouse](#): > > Should you read with — much, much — greater care, you may see that I suggested the jewish minority in such places as they were situated _may have had good reason_ to hate and despise those who were the majority. > > Which neither excuses their bigotry against the christian or muslim majorities nor condemns it. Just understands it. Should you look over what you wrote with — much, much — greater care, you can see why your use of “anti-jewish lunatics” is… odd. > [@Claverhouse](#): > > One small problem occurs with jewish demographics in that they never seem to like the host populations much. And prefer the hosts’ majority cultures weakened in order to prevent such persecution of their people as has happened elsewhere. Strange wording, weakening the host populations? Hmm, what weakens its host? Oh yeah, a parasite or a disease. Nobody’s ever accused [The Jews as World Parasites](http://www.calvin.edu/academic/cas/gpa/weltparasit.htm). > [@Claverhouse](#): > > Of every place where jews were a distinctive minority, from Babylon to Egypt to Rome to medieval europe to Dar al Islam, including Ottoman Turkey, to Poland and eastern europe over the last 500 years, they seem to have heartily disliked and despised ( with possibly good reason, except no-one was forcing them to stay wherever apart from the first two ) the dominant majority. > > For those reasons a few of them supported revolutions and idealistic changes that didn’t benefit the host countries that much in the end. Although not typical of the whole this fed into the anti-semites’ obsessions and bred distrust. The most were typified by the few. Hmm, Jews - sorry, a few of them - were behind revolutions in their hosts? Yeah, I can’t think of any [classic anti-semetic](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Jewish_Bolshevism) drivel about Joos being behind communism. ---
**Author:** ![FinnAgain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finnagain/32/12500_2.png) [@FinnAgain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinnAgain)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2011, 8:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ashenlady/570469/98 "2011-02-07T08:38:01Z")
> [@Dissonance](#): > > Should you look over what you wrote with — much, much — greater care, you can see why your use of “anti-jewish lunatics” is… odd. To be fair, I did significantly misread what he wrote. I fucked up on that count. Also to be fair though, what he wrote is really rather wacky. Not that countries have often had a large degree of hatred and contempt for Jews, but that Jews have often had a large degree of hatred and contempt for their ‘host’ nations. And their ‘bigotry’ against their ‘hosts’ possibly had good reason, except of course they could have just let their ‘hosts’ drive them out of the countries completely I initially misread his post as an update of the whole “Jews have always been persecuted and hated, but that’s because they deserved to be.” Turns out it’s something more like “Jews were always hating and being bigoted against their ‘host’ countries, and trying to weaken their cultures, and it would kinda be understandable except nobody was forcing the Jews to stay and they could’ve allowed themselves to just be purged from their homes.” (Ashen is still an idiot and a bigot, of course.) ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2011, 2:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ashenlady/570469/99 "2011-02-07T14:05:30Z")
**AshenLady** : What people are objecting to is that you are saying if someone isn’t rabidly anti-Muslim then he must hate Jews. It’s that simple. ---
**Author:** ![Steve\_MB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steve_mb/32/5339_2.png) [@Steve\_MB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steve_MB)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2011, 2:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ashenlady/570469/100 "2011-02-07T14:44:48Z")
> [@Chessic\_Sense](#): > > This thread is three hours old, at 67 posts, and NO ONE has posted a link to whatever the hell started this hoopla. How do you post a link to the voices in somebody’s head? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ashenlady/570469.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ashenlady/570469.md?page=6)