It’s illegal for an immigrant to rent or buy a home in America?
The years you’re looking at are not selected at random. They coincide with a US recession, strong declines in construction, and (I believe) a relatively weak US dollar. These are all temporary factors.
[In addition, the replacement of immigrants by native-born citizens is in part due to people dying and others being born. You could make a case either way as to how that should count when contemplating the impact of immigration, but it’s reflected in the numbers the way your link calculates them.]
Were they illegal migrants? Because their is already a legal process for migrants to get work visas to work in the US.
It is not illegal to move into the US legally. Do you not understand the difference?
It’s illegal for them to live here. Hence deportations, walls, all the rhetoric about “illegal immigrants”, a term which should be an oxymoron.
It’s not illegal to do anything legally. Is that tautology really your argument?
The point is that it shouldn’t be illegal to move here. It currently is. It takes a decade and tens of thousands of dollars to buy the privilege, and that’s if your country isn’t one with a “quota” of zero, like Mexico. There should be no quotas. You shouldn’t have to pay or wait for the privilege to move.
I, an Illinoisan, can move to California with nothing but the gas money it takes to get there, and whatever it costs to rent, assuming I don’t choose to be homeless (seriously, it’s California, the weather’s perfect, I assume homes are optional ;)). I don’t have to check in with anybody, I don’t have to pay $10k bribes to the INS, I don’t have to fill out novels worth of paperwork, I don’t have to take a test on American history, I can just decide tomorrow to go to California, no questions asked. That’s what I mean by “it shouldn’t be illegal to move”.
If you’re treating Jose the Mexican differently than Cube the Illinoisan, that’s where my objections arise. People are people and neither one of us are native Californians. So why does he get the shit end of the stick here? There’s no moral justification for it.
So your stance is that anyone, from anywhere in the world, should be allowed to move the US, without going through any process in order to do so?
Anyone, from anywhere, can just jump on a plane, land anywhere that airline takes them, and start being a US citizen as soon as they step foot in the airport, or port, or whatever?
They ought to be able to live here, yes. Maybe have a year long residency requirement for citizenship so tourists don’t get the vote, but basically, yeah. Deportation shouldn’t be a thing. If you’re a fleeing felon, we should maintain the ability to extradite, but deportation? Not seeing the purpose.
The point is that it’s not illegal to move here.
Can you cite one country that lets anyone in the world move into their country without going through a legal process?
It is illegal to move here. It’s the fundamental fact of this discussion. Why else walls? Why else deportation? Why else “illegal” immigrants?
And every country in the world prior to the 20th century? It was racism that instituted these laws and it’s racism and xenophobia that keeps them going.
So what is your solution when, after a year, there are 500 million Indians (people from India), and 500 million Chinese people here? Along with further 100s of millions of other people from around the world?
I am not saying that Indians and Chinese aren’t welcome here, I’m just saying how to handle the amount of people who would be coming here?
That’s a self-correcting problem.
Once enough of them come the standard of living here will be dragged down to close to where it is in their home countries, at which point they won’t have any incentive to keep coming. 
Not if we build it really tall! 
Sorry. I’m leaving now.
Is this a real concern? That’s like half of the population of those countries. It would quintuple the US population. You really think something like that is even possible? How would they get here? By swimming the Pacific? There aren’t enough planes in the world to support that kind of migration. Besides, what is preventing that scenario from occurring right now? You think the INS or whatever bureau is currently in charge of deportation can stop a billion determined people from taking over the country?
This is like being against Obamacare because you think millions of people out there will take a hammer and break their own legs every six weeks just to scam over the taxpayers.
I know a lot of people who spend weeks every Summer in the Boundary Waters, canoeing in and out of Canada. I’ve illegally entered Canada on border lakes myself. Worse, I’ve done it with someone who has a DWI conviction, which makes her persona non grata in Canada.
I have never heard of anyone getting stopped by border patrol from either country. Though maybe if Trump wins, Canada will make us pay for a wall. Its pretty difficult terrain in Northern Minnesota - lots of lakes, waterfalls, places kids who are Americans need to go through Canada to get to school every day. Might be hard. Certainly expensive, but I think Scott Walker had a proposal.
(By the way, its really beautiful up there and a great trip if you are outdoorsy. I’m not - I did it in a houseboat in Superior National instead of the Boundary Waters).
I don’t understand the point of all this.
When you drive from the US to Canada or back, you get stopped by border control and asked for a passport and all sorts of other questions. Sometimes they check your car. The reason you can do what you describe is because the number of people who bother to do those things is so small that it’s not worth cracking down on. That’s not the case with the Mexican border.
[FWIW, I know (of) a guy from a foreign country who couldn’t get a visa to the US so he went to Canada and swam across a river into the US. Problem he had was that when he got there he didn’t know where he was, so he hiked over to a local store and asked people. They got suspicious and called police, and he got deported.]
There are still border patrols on both sides, even if they aren’t all that intrusive. I’ve seen some of them on the Canadian side. Granted, I don’t think most people even know the Canadians HAVE a border patrol agency (I think it’s called the Canadian Border Services Agency or something like that), but they actually do.
Well, most airports that I’ve flown from overseas don’t even let you get on a plane without a Visa for the US. Under your solution, this would no longer be a check. I suspect there would be many more Air China flights from China to the US if a Visa was no longer required. Same for Air India. Same for any country really. Most people cannot get to the US without flying, and they cannot get on the planes nor through immigration in the US without a Visa. They can’t bum-rush an airplane.
And what is it that YOU think prevents people from just continuously flying into the US and staying here from shit-hole countries around the world? They just don’t want to?
Curious… I understand the argument that if you deport the illegal immigrants that agricultural businesses will go under because they haven’t adjusted to needing to pay market rate for citizen workers. They will be faced with having to pay higher wages, which results in higher food costs, and in some cases the businesses will go under. Therefore it is argued that we shouldn’t take away those illegal immigrant workers because we don’t want to upset the economy.
Isn’t this effectively the same argument used against increasing the minimum wage to $15/hr? The businesses will be forced to pay more, cost of goods goes up, and some businesses go under. Why is it okay to leave the economy in place for the illegal immigrant workers, but not for minimum wage workers? If you are pro minimum wage increase, shouldn’t you be pro increased wages for laborers and increased accountability for those businesses?
I agree with one of the earlier posters that there is no such thing as “jobs Americans don’t want”. I used to do roofing and it is definitely one of those jobs, but as a starving college student it is a pretty cool gig if you are paid a decent rate (as I was, at $10/hr). The reason many employers hire illegal immigrants is because A. they don’t have to pay minimum wage, B. they don’t have to worry about being reported for any wrongdoing (like injuries). If they paid the $10/hr that laborers want, Americans would most certainly be doing those jobs. Americans do not get the jobs now (and therefore don’t even apply most of the time) because how can you compete with an illegal immigrant willing to do the job for far less with much less worker protection?
It doesn’t. Many North Koreans escaping the country go through China on their way to South Korea.
What is your definition of “many” in your statement? How does it compare with the number of people coming from Mexico?