# Ask Maudlin Murray O'Hair (the American Atheists guy) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [February 9, 2003, 1:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ask-maudlin-murray-ohair-the-american-atheists-guy/153876 "2003-02-09T13:07:02Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![bong](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/e9bcb4/32.png) [@bong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bong)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2003, 4:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ask-maudlin-murray-ohair-the-american-atheists-guy/153876/61 "2003-02-10T16:53:29Z")
[QUOTE] \*Originally posted by Libertarian \* \*\*Patience, my friend. Pagan religions are not as dangerous as the [nonsense reference deleted]ian religion because nobody takes them seriously. We must take things a step at the time. If we can eliminate the [nonsense reference deleted]ians first, then we can begin in earnest to dismantle the rest of our culture. \*\*[/QUOTE The pagans would take them seriously. It IS their religion. If religion is the enemy of reason, all religion is the same. ---
**Author:** ![bong](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/e9bcb4/32.png) [@bong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bong)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2003, 4:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ask-maudlin-murray-ohair-the-american-atheists-guy/153876/62 "2003-02-10T16:55:54Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Libertarian \* > \*\* I am made of stars! \*\* And I am made of cheap beer. MUHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! ---
**Author:** ![Liberal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Liberal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liberal)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2003, 7:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ask-maudlin-murray-ohair-the-american-atheists-guy/153876/63 "2003-02-10T19:01:59Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by bong \* > \*\*What if you were a rock? Why couldn’t [nonsense reference deleted] exist if you were a rock? If [nonsense reference deleted]is omnipotent, a rock existing wouldn’t stop it from being. > > So then, you don’t believe that evolution exists? \*\* Why do you persist with your quackery? I am not a rock. [Nonsense reference deleted] does not exist. And evolution proves both those statements. ---
**Author:** ![Truth\_Seeker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/5fc32e/32.png) [@Truth\_Seeker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Truth_Seeker)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2003, 8:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ask-maudlin-murray-ohair-the-american-atheists-guy/153876/64 "2003-02-10T20:10:16Z")
* * * 1. G ⊃ G If God (on the definition above) exists, He exists necessarily. 2. ~~G This states that G is not impossible, or \<\>G Those are the premises. The conclusion logically follows as demonstrated: 3. G ⊃ G If God necessarily exists, then he exists. 4. G ∨ ~ G Law of Excluded Middle 5. ~G ⊃ ~G Becker’s postulate applied to ~G 6. G ∨ ~G 4,5 substitution 7. ~G ⊃ ~G 1, modal modus tollens 8. G ∨ ~G 6,7 substitution 9. G 7,2 disjunctive syllogism ——————————— ∴ G 9, 3 modus ponens * * * ---
**Author:** ![robertliguori](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/46a35a/32.png) [@robertliguori](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/robertliguori)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2003, 8:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ask-maudlin-murray-ohair-the-american-atheists-guy/153876/65 "2003-02-10T20:17:09Z")
Truth seeker, you enemy of reason. You didn’t show any evidence of ~~G. And I’m dissapointed in you, Lib. You haven’t brought up the fact that all Christians are crusading inquisiting babymurdering culture-destroying chowderheads. ---
**Author:** ![Liberal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Liberal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liberal)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2003, 9:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ask-maudlin-murray-ohair-the-american-atheists-guy/153876/66 "2003-02-10T21:09:39Z")
Well, there is no need in pointing out the obvious. Who among us has not had a baby murdered by a religious zealot? Regarding that hogwash from Truth Seeker, that’s a bunch of nonsense. Logic is valid only when it is reasonably applied. He introduces a nonsense term up front, and then manipulates his nonsense term. I could use the same proof to show that mayonnaise is the greatest conceivable being simply by defining mayonnaise as necessary existence. ---
**Author:** ![bong](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/e9bcb4/32.png) [@bong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bong)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2003, 9:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ask-maudlin-murray-ohair-the-american-atheists-guy/153876/67 "2003-02-10T21:12:39Z")
I haven’t. I don’t have a kid, had a kid, or will ever have a kid. HA! ---
**Author:** ![bong](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/e9bcb4/32.png) [@bong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bong)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2003, 9:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ask-maudlin-murray-ohair-the-american-atheists-guy/153876/68 "2003-02-10T21:14:20Z")
But mayonnaise isn’t necessary. It kills chickens. It is fatty. However, a being who created the world is necessary. HA! ---
**Author:** ![Liberal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Liberal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liberal)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2003, 9:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ask-maudlin-murray-ohair-the-american-atheists-guy/153876/69 "2003-02-10T21:38:31Z")
Nonsense. The universe is full of things that weren’t created by any “being”. Unless you call the Big Band a being. ---
**Author:** ![bong](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/e9bcb4/32.png) [@bong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bong)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2003, 9:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ask-maudlin-murray-ohair-the-american-atheists-guy/153876/70 "2003-02-10T21:41:18Z")
Prove the world wasn’t made by something. ---
**Author:** ![bong](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/e9bcb4/32.png) [@bong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bong)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2003, 9:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ask-maudlin-murray-ohair-the-american-atheists-guy/153876/71 "2003-02-10T21:43:32Z")
Just prove it. HA!!! Actually, I would like to see a debate between him and Jack.T.Chick ---
**Author:** ![Liberal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Liberal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liberal)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2003, 10:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ask-maudlin-murray-ohair-the-american-atheists-guy/153876/72 "2003-02-10T22:00:11Z")
Everyone knows you can’t prove a negative. I will demonstrate: Hypothesis: A negative cannot be proved. Proof: I cannot prove my hypothesis. QED ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2003, 10:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ask-maudlin-murray-ohair-the-american-atheists-guy/153876/73 "2003-02-10T22:30:59Z")
Dear Mr. o’Hair, I live next to a Lutheran church which I must pass everytime I am going to or from home. This church has a large cross prominently displayed on top and it also has a sign with blatantly pro-Christian messages out front. Both the cross and the sign are clearly visible from the street. Should I contact the ACLU? ---
**Author:** ![Liberal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Liberal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liberal)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2003, 10:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ask-maudlin-murray-ohair-the-american-atheists-guy/153876/74 "2003-02-10T22:41:33Z")
Unfortunately, the ACLU is not always reasonable. It often advocates on behalf of tax-dodging Lutheran churches, pedophiles, and racist hate-mongers. The best thing you can do is join our organization. When you have paid us, we will authorize you to behave like an asshole while using our name. We will supply you with banners and placards so that you can disrupt their rituals. We will also supply you with training on how to make menacing gestures, how to become a pest at City Hall, and how to polarize your community with aggressive activism. [sub]Thank you for playing, Diogenes![/sub] ---
**Author:** ![Kal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/9de053/32.png) [@Kal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kal)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2003, 10:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ask-maudlin-murray-ohair-the-american-atheists-guy/153876/75 "2003-02-10T22:58:00Z")
Dear Maudlin Murray O’Hair, When making love, have you found that shouting “Yes! Yes! Oh Non-existant supreme being, yes!” during orgasm gets you laughed at? ---
**Author:** ![bong](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/e9bcb4/32.png) [@bong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bong)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2003, 12:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ask-maudlin-murray-ohair-the-american-atheists-guy/153876/76 "2003-02-11T00:00:40Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Libertarian \* > \*\*Everyone knows you can’t prove a negative. I will demonstrate: > > Hypothesis: A negative cannot be proved. > > Proof: I cannot prove my hypothesis. > > QED \*\* I mean, pove the big bang happened. ---
**Author:** ![bong](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/e9bcb4/32.png) [@bong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bong)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2003, 12:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ask-maudlin-murray-ohair-the-american-atheists-guy/153876/77 "2003-02-11T00:03:42Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Libertarian \* > \*\*Why do you persist with your quackery? I am not a rock. [Nonsense reference deleted] does not exist. And evolution proves both those statements. \*\* Prove that evolution proves those statements. Nonsense reference COULD make evolution happen. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2003, 12:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ask-maudlin-murray-ohair-the-american-atheists-guy/153876/78 "2003-02-11T00:51:47Z")
Dear Mr. O’hair, I have had personal experiences of Christ in my life. I have heard God speak to me, and it was not a dream or a hallucination. It was as real as the keyboard I type on. How can you say with certainty that I did _not_ talk to God? ---
**Author:** ![Duke](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e8c25b/32.png) [@Duke](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Duke)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2003, 2:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ask-maudlin-murray-ohair-the-american-atheists-guy/153876/79 "2003-02-11T02:36:28Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Kal \* > \*\*Dear Maudlin Murray O’Hair, > > When making love, have you found that shouting “Yes! Yes! Oh Non-existant supreme being, yes!” during orgasm gets you laughed at? \*\* That’s silly! I’m sure he shouts “Yes, yes! Oh reason, oh free will, yes!” ---
**Author:** ![robertliguori](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/46a35a/32.png) [@robertliguori](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/robertliguori)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2003, 3:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ask-maudlin-murray-ohair-the-american-atheists-guy/153876/80 "2003-02-11T03:36:59Z")
Dio: Many people have had personal experiences with beings that do not exist. We call them schizophrenics and lock them up. Why should we treat you differently. It’s a safety issue, really. I mean, what guarentee that you won’t start hearing commands to kill all living things but the women who have not known men? [old joke] You’ll slaughter everyone! [/old joke] [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ask-maudlin-murray-ohair-the-american-atheists-guy/153876.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ask-maudlin-murray-ohair-the-american-atheists-guy/153876.md?page=5)