Ask the Alaskan guy.....

Thanks Tony.

Shibboleth, sounds funny, I know, but Im sure I remember seeing some TV show about polar bears wandering into towns in Alaska (presumably in the far north) and having to be shot with tranquiliser guns and airlifted by helicopter back to the wilderness.

They do this because they spend most of their time out on the ice but the thawing of the ice as a result of the hole in the ozone layer means they can’t spend as long on the ice as they used to so they are increasingly coming into human settlements to look for food.

-i haven’t seen much of anchorage-i’d have to jump on a jet to visit anch. i can’t just jump in a car and drive there its about a 700 mi flight. but yes i am sure theres a public beach there. it gets hot there in summer (90’s) and am sure people do swim there (as we do here)theres a nice(actually quite a few) lake here people go swimming in during summer mo. it has picnic areas,etc, similar to what you’d see in say WA or OR.

-i have never heard of anyone panning for gold personally, but am sure there is tho. probably a meager living

  • winters further north are worse than here. it rains most of the winter here.

  • i really could’nt answer the homestead question. but i never heard of anyone doing it. i think that went out a long time ago tho.

  • yes moose meat is good to eat. never actually tasted it myself tho. i usually go to wal-mart or safeway for food. BTW you dont see moose this far south. they are further north -say anchorage area.

  • what keeps me here? uumm what keeps you there? family,cultural ties,beauty of the place,friends. if u ever visit here you would be very,very suprised at how different it is than your preconcieved notion.

-by all means come to AK youll love it!

  • we dont get the extreme day/night hrs here like they do further north. so i dunno

  • i am sure we see as much as the moon as you do. but on the other hand its usually overcast here in winter.

  • i have only seen the northern lights once. theyre hard to explain. suffice it to say i have never seen anything like it before or since. ill try to find an URL.

  • we dont have any wolves here in SE. but as for tourism boycotts, you’d be hard pressed to see a difference. this year before tourist season ends, this town will have had 500,000(yes thats half a mil) tourists come through here. on a avg summer day i’ll see maybe 4 or 5 of those cruise ships in(the giant 5000 pssgr ones). either docked or anchored in the channel. they effectively double the population of this town (about 14-15,000 residents)

roughly 25mi N of lattitude 55. if you follow the lat around on a globe it would be 550mi N of the northernmost tip of Maine.i hope i said that right…

I lived in Anchorage for one semester in college(Jan-May). When I got there, sunrise was, I dunno, 10am or so, after a loooong twilight. Sunset began around 3pm if I remember (it was quite a while ago), also with a loooong twilight. My pal up there used to go fishing at 2am, when it was, guess what, twilight. Have you ever seen the sky with a layer of pink and a layer of blue right at sunrise/sunset? That’s what it looks like much of the time.

BTW, I’ve heard that anybody moving to Ketchikan goes mad if he sees the actual sun. I have a postcard somewhere showing women fainting when the sun actually came out once. :wink:

Moose tastes OK. It’s kind of like buffalo, if you’ve ever had that. I tried muktuk (preserved whale blubber) and threw up in about 10 seconds. I can’t believe humans consider that stuff food.

I saw the northern lights twice in the 4 1/2 months I was there. The first time was neat, but the second time was AMAZING. Evidently the best shows are seasonal–you local Alaskans will have to help me out a bit with the details. It looks like a curtain as seen from underneath, wafting across the sky, in all colors–red, orange, purple, blue, green. I could not believe how fast it moved. The whole show was over in about 20 minutes. The best part was watching the whole city of Anchorage out on their rooftops, ooh-ing and aah-ing. Pretty keen stuff.

I learned to snowshoe on Easter Sunday. Winters aren’t as bad in Anchorage as they are in Fairbanks, but they sure are long.

So, Alaska guy, you are pretty isolated up there in Ketchikan. Where do you go for vacation? What do you do for fun around there?

i have not heard that. the only thing i know is that:

  1. i have never and probably will never see one in the wild (would cost too much, probably akin to going to greece or something of the like, given the distance i’d have to travel, cost for a guide,lodging,etc.)…plus i would pass on it anyhow -too cold for me!!

  2. they are classified as a marine mammal

  • i tried a tiny peice of muktuk(long story)once also-uuhmm never again…

-yes it does rain alot here, my great,great,…,.grandkids are gonna have webbed feet. somtimes the line between being submerged and being above the waterline is blurred.

-i wouldnt say were too isolated. i mean it doesn’t seem that way. driving south thru CA last fall on my way to Vallejo (bay area)i had seen more towns that seemed more isolated. if you look at KTN on a map it seems like were cut-off from the world. spend a mo here and youll get an entirely different feel. not exactly “worldly” but not “cut-off” either. however if thats what you want, you dont have to travel far, there are smaller towns sprinkled throughout SE, that offer that isolated “feel”…if your into that lifestyle…
-fun? pretty much what i did growing up in seattle.or when i was in vallejo CA last year. except here you dont have to go far to do things you cant do in seattle or vallejo.(hunting,fishing,shooting,hiking,camping)

-vacation? i’m thinking of moving to CA this winter and vacationing HERE in the summer.i spent 8mo in vallejo,ca (end of oct00/-beg of june/01) for work.

Might you be thinking of Churchill, Manitoba, CANADA?

Churchill was also, IIRC, the first northern town to capitalize on this problem and turn it into a tourist attraction. They’ve actually had polar bear problems for a number of years.

Yeah, I think I must have been thinking of Churchill not Alaska.

Thanks 4 the link.

I looked on a map and saw that Kodiak is west of Ketchikan. West and a little bit to the north. Ketchikan has about the same latitude as Londonderry, Ireland; Newcastle-on-Tyne, England; Odense, Denmark; Kaunas, Lithuania; and Moscow, Russia. To put it in perspective.

So here’s my question:

What did you think of Ken Kesey’s Alaska novel Sailor Song?

by Tony Montana:

I’ve got time, let’s hear it.

What does it taste like? Is it like chicken fat? How can you have it if whaling is illegal? Do you get it from natives?

I’m very interested in what it tastes like, lately I’ve found whales to be very intriguing. Possibly because I read Moby-Dick recently, so tell me!

OK, I’m an Alaskan Guy too.

Credentials: I’ve lived in Fairbanks Alaska from when I was six until I moved to Seattle when I was 27.

You can only get true midnight sun north of the arctic circle. If you are at the arctic circle on the summer solstice the sun will not set. The farther north you go the more days you have where the sun never sets. Fairbanks is south of the Arctic Circle, so it doesn’t get true midnight sun. The sun sets in the summer. But it only just dips below the horizon and the sky never gets dark. You just have an hour or so of dusk and the sun rises again.

Climate: Fairbanks is very different from the Southeast. Fairbanks is in the interior, so we have much greater weather extremes. It gets up to 80F or above in the summer…sometimes even up to 90F. But that only lasts for a few months. By October you start getting the first snows, and the snow has set in permanently by the end of October. One Halloween it was 20 below. Typical winter temperatures are around -10F, but it can vary. There is usually at least one or two cold snaps that drop to -60F, but it would be unusual for that to last more than a week.

Polar bears live only on the north slope of Alaska. They are primarily marine mammals, and they usually only live where the ocean freezes up over the winter. The don’t live in the interior or southeast. If you want to see a polar bear you’ll have to go up to Point Barrow.

Nobody swims except idiots with something to prove, or people in dry suits. Even in summer the ocean water is very very cold. But many lakes get warm enough to swim in.

You can’t make a living panning for gold. But there are plenty of independent gold miners. In Fairbanks the typical operation is a placer mine. You use high pressure water to strip away dirt and uncover buried streambeds where gold is concentrated and separate that. People make a living doing it, but it is very hit or miss.

Yes, you can homestead in Alaska. But most of the land accessable by road is taken. You’ll have to go out into the bush to homestead, and THAT will drive you mad. Guaranteed.

Yes, the winters are that bad, at least in the interior. The trouble isn’t the cold, it’s the LENGTH. First flurries start at the end of September, and the snow starts to melt at the end of April. That’s six months. They say there are four seasons in Fairbanks: June, July, August, and Winter. That’s an exaggeration.

Yes, Moose meat is good to eat. It is lean and very flavorful. You can cook it like any very lean and tough cut of beef. It has a wonderful meaty taste, unlike factory grown beef.

I’m not there anymore.

  • long story short. i was in anchorage, some aleuts(indigenous peoples, but not eskimo) offered me a taste,they gave me a postage-stamp sized piece.

  • it was a long time ago. from what i remember it was like salty rubber.

-indigenous native peoples of the arctic(eskimo/aleut) can hunt/take a certain number of whales each year.

Whaling:

Alaska Natives are allowed traditional subsistence whaling under the International Whaling Commision. Point Barrow has permits for up to 13 bowhead whales. The whale species they eat are not endangered. For eskimos whaling is a huge deal…almost like football in small southern towns. Everyone gets excited, everyone follows it, everyone wants to be on a whaling boat. Whaling captains are looked up to.

These areas are very depressed economically. There are almost no jobs, the kids aren’t motivated to go to school, substance abuse is rampant. If a village goes dry they switch to inhalants. So whaling is one of the few ways that people feel useful, like they are doing something important.

Whale meat is divided up by the whaling captains according to traditional rules. But there is typically a lot of meat and blubber and everyone gets as much as they want. It is absolutely illegal for anyone except a native to hunt marine mammals, and they are strictly regulated in the numbers they can take. It is legal for natives to give you whale/seal meat, or have you over for dinner and serve it. But they cannot sell it. Natives are also the only people who can legally carve and sell baleen or walrus ivory.

I’ve never eaten whale meat or blubber. The blubber is SUPPOSED to taste nutty and “like the sea”. People really do eat it raw. Then there’s Agutuk, or “Eskimo Ice Cream”. That’s traditionally rendered whale oil mixed with wild berries. Native people still eat it, but it is more common to use crisco shortening instead of whale oil.

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Nobody swims except idiots with something to prove, or people in dry suits. Even in summer the ocean water is very very cold. But many lakes get warm enough to swim in.

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just pointing out we do swim here during summer,were not on the outside waters though. and a friend from anchorage told me of swimming up there during summers, didn’t say wether it was a lake tho.
thanks for your input

I lived in Juneau for most of my life. I’m now currently in Phoenix.

The main thing you have to remember about Alaska is that it’s HUGE. Go ahead and see if you can find a picture of Alaska super-imposed over the continental United States. That should give you an idea of it’s size. The difference between an area like the Southeast, where Tony Montana is located and where Juneau is, is quite a bit different than an area like Anchorage or Fairbanks. It’s pretty close to comparing Washington state to Texas, in terms of difference.

As for the bear question, in Juneau everybody locks up their garbage (as I presume they do in the rest of the Southeast). This is because you will have bears come in from the forest and start picking through trash bins. Once they do that there’s no getting rid of them. That’s when you have to bring out the rifle. Of course these are brown bears and black bears, not polar bears. In Southeast Alaska there are a lot of commercials and public notices featuring the slogan “Garbage Kills Bears”.

In fact, the first time I ever saw the majestic creature that is the wild bear, was at the garbage dump outside of Kake. They really do enjoy those old mayonaise jars.

Just my quick two cents.

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**I lived in Juneau for most of my life. I’m now currently in Phoenix.

The main thing you have to remember about Alaska is that it’s HUGE. Go ahead and see if you can find a picture of Alaska super-imposed over the continental United States. That should give you an idea of it’s size. The difference between an area like the Southeast, where Tony Montana is located and where Juneau is, is quite a bit different than an area like Anchorage or Fairbanks. It’s pretty close to comparing Washington state to Texas, in terms of difference.

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My girlfriend was born & raised in Juneau. She says even Juneau’s weather is a little colder, and it gets a little more snow :shrug:

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As for the bear question, in Juneau everybody locks up their garbage (as I presume they do in the rest of the Southeast). This is because you will have bears come in from the forest and start picking through trash bins. Once they do that there’s no getting rid of them.

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definitely, we lock ours in the shed. there is a bear trail of sorts behind her house, they come within 10 feet of her bedroom window. last year we saw a sow and three cubs stroll by. also last year we heard a cub justa cryin’ and cryin’,sounded pitiful. it was maybe 30’ away. our guess was that it was 2yrs old and its mother chased it away.that or it got separated from her somehow. we did the only thing you should do in this situation. we let nature take its course.

HAve you watched ‘Northern Exposure’?

Did you like it?

Are there any girls that remotely remind you of the brunette, Maggie? If yes, is she a pilot too & can pick me up Friday?

yes i like that show. still watch the re-runs once in a while. if only to see the…er…mistakes-if you will. like the sound effects of wildlife in the background. i especially like the high shrill birdlike “squaaak”. i guess its supposed to be an eagle :shrug: :smiley:

there IS one female floatplane pilot that i know of . she was a very attractive statuesque blonde. she flew us to the fishing grounds one year. haven’t seen her since though. :frowning:

Just to throw my two cents in…

I’ve been up here nearly thirty years, and I’ve lived in both the “big city” of Anchorage and smaller towns like Kenai and Homer.

The male/female ratio was pretty lopsided in the early days, but it’s getting closer to a normal range. The problem is that there seems to me a higher number of… shall we say, eccentric people, than you might see in the States.

Muktuk is terrible… it’s pure fat and the skin has the texture and flavor of vulcanized rubber. But it’s an aquired taste- elder natives live off of it for it’s huge calorie content. Up in the villages, it can get very, very cold for a very long time, and the muktuk’s horsepower provides the energy to survive a long sled ride or seal hunt.

Yes, we get “free money” from the State. What it is, is the Oil is, technically, “public” property. The producers pay a set amount per-barrel into a semi-private account called the Permanent Fund. Some of this money is used to invest in the markets, the rest sits and gathers interest. Once a year, a portion of the interest- JUST the interest- is divided up between each and every living, eligible Alaskan. This year it’s $1850, last year it was over $1900.

However, you have to be living in Alaska for two years before you become eligible, and you’d better believe they check your bona-fides. Fraud- yes, it happens- is punished by the loss of ALL future “dividends”, AND having to repay the previous five years’ worth.

Yes, we have the World’s longest Dog-Sled race. It’s called the Iditarod, named for a small mining-era town about halfway down the 1,150 mile trail between Anchorage and Nome. Dog teams usually take between ten and twenty days to make the trip, and before any animal-lovers chime in, there are strict rules on rest stops and such. And believe me, few dogs on Earth get as good care as these teams.

After the dogsleds run, some snowmachiners make the trip in a race called the Iron Dog. Think of over a thousand miles, by yourself, in literally the middle of nowhere, on an unenclosed snowmachine, at speeds exceeding 100mph.

Yes, in some places, the Sun never sets for weeks on end. Down here on the Peninsula, in the height of summer, it’ll get kinda twilightish around 2am, and that’s about it. Unless it’s nasty, overcast and rainy, you can go three months without having to use your headlights.

On the flipside, in the winter, it’ll be pitch black dark until 9:30 in the morning, then get dark again at about five in the afternoon. Cheechako’s- newbies to the state- often have a tough time dealing with it. It messes with a person’s circadian rythyms or something; you get tired but can’t sleep, have no energy, get depressed, etc. It’s tolerable if you have a hobby- anything you find interesting that can occupy your mind and hands- but if you just sit around and watch TV, yes, depression can really lay a person low.
I know- knew- quite a few people who have, over the years, gotten fed up and left the State.

Moose is very good eating. Like any animal, it depends on the particular cut of meat, but it’s very tasty. However, speaking personally, we turn much of ours into both sausage and hamburger since it’s easier to freeze and store, and a little more versitile to use.
Caribou is actually a little better, it’s more tender and not so coarse. Caribou sausage over a good homemade spaghetti sauce and pasta… :smiley:
I’ve also had deer, elk, bison, bear (brown and black) dall sheep, rabbit and duck.

Northern Exposure had as much to do with the real Alaska as the show “JAG” has to do with authentic Carrier operations in the Med. Meaning they got the uniform colors right, and that’s about it.

The Steven Segal movie “On Deadly Ground” was so rife with errors it’d take an hour to list what he screwed up in just the first ten minutes.

The Northern Lights- Aurora Borealis- (There’s also a Southern Hemisphere version called Aurora Austrailis, if I recall correctly) are pretty common in the winter. You really need to get outside of the light-polluted cities to appreciate them. Picture moving curtains of light in the sky. They move pretty fast too, deceptively so, since they can take up a huge portion of the sky. If it’s quiet- I live outside of a small town- you can almost hear them, as kind of a very, very faint static… but that may also be a figment of the imagination.

They’re predominantly a faint green, and can range from faint lines, to almost neon-sign-bright curtains.

Yes, I’ve heard wolves howling. In fact, just two nights ago or so, I heard a coyote yipping about a half mile from here. I’ve seen 'er in the distance as I’ve tied the horses out to graze, but no closer than that. No movie can prepare you to feel what it’s like to be a day’s ride up in the mountains, and hear a wolf bark up on the ridgeline… or to hear a branch snap and a snuffle-snort fifty feet up the trail. “Survivor”, my ass. :smiley:

There’s also a nesting pair of Bald Eagles less than 200 feet from where I’m typing this. The nest is several years old and probably eight feet in diameter. I find feathers all the time- wing feathers can be 18" long- but I can’t legally keep 'em.

Here’s a webcam of downtown Anchorage: http://www.alaskacam.com/
It’s a live ‘updated photo’ cam, rather than a streaming video.

Mosquitoes aren’t anywhere near the size of a B-52… they’re no larger than a Super Cub at best. :smiley:

Seriously, as the others have said, it’s not the size, it’s the sheer weight of numbers. If you live near a wetlands or swamp, they can get downright evil.

What keeps me here? Can you tell me what keeps you where you are?