it would be hard to describe the eating of human body and drinking of human blood without using such a fitting term as Cannibalistic.
How about “anthropophagous”? Is that better?
You know, I appreciate the effort!
It would be very fascinating to do DNA Analysis on such a sample.
As pointed out, “miraculous relics” tend to be extremely unreliable when submitted to modern evidentiary analysis (see Turin, Shroud of).
Plus there is another element to this. Under virtually every Christian doctrine, Catholic or Protestant, the physical body of the risen Christ has undergone a special transformation, retaining his essential humanity while becoming something quite unlike the body of the ordinary human – immortal, indestructible, capable of traversing across dimensions, of moving from A to B instantaneously w/o going thru the space in between, capable of channeling God IN FULL and DIRECTLY… that is no longer just “flesh”, boys and girls. And participation in this trascendental “physical body” by making some of it part of yourself is some strong mojo – whether you believe in it or view it as a curious custom or even a weird behavior, the rational mind understands that. If someone with nothing better to do may get his jollies off from going all [Beavis]“huhhuh, huhhuh, huhhuh, he said ‘eat me’, huhhuh, huhhuh”[/Beavis] over it, it’s of very little importance.
But I guess every Catholic, or Christian, or overtly Atheist, thread will draw to it those who rather than a source of information or creative debate are just looking to act disrespectful in order to enhance their standing before their own eyes.
I read once the word “Theophagous”
No way. Members of an anarchist organization have tried to be “unbaptized” in several french towns. They sent letters to the bishops, including a complete apostasy, abjuring the oaths made in their behalf during the baptism, and requesting their names to be deleted from the baptism registers. The bishops positively refused. Baptized they were, baptized they’ll stay. They only complied after a court ruling, and had to mention on the registers that these persons had repudiated their baptism. But nevertheless made clear that from the church point of view, this repudiation had no value and that they still were catholics, whatever they could think, say or do.
I believe the main reason they won’t strike them off the roll-well, a good reason, at any rate-is historical records and documents-it’s an EXTREMELY valuable tool for people searching their family tree, for example.
Well, I think the main reason is that Catholics don’t believe you can ever really leave. The fact that baptismal records have been useful for geneology is just a bonus.
Thing is, they insist it is the HUMAN Jesus that is being consumed. His earthy body if you will. But I like the word THEOPHAGOUS because it could fit too. And that would make it less like cannibalism if you consider you are eating his body after the “transfiguration” whatever that means.
ok. if you are eating jesus…the actual person…and each wafer weighs 1 gram and say in a given hour 1,000,000 people eat the real human jesus.
That would be 1000Kg of jesus. Yet there has never been a human that weighed 1000Kg (2,200 Lbs.) Doesn’t this violate the conservation of mass? (physical mass not religious mass…ha ha)
ok. if you are eating jesus…the actual person…and each wafer weighs 1 gram and say in a given hour 1,000,000 people eat the real human jesus.
That would be 1000Kg of jesus. Yet there has never been a human that weighed 1000Kg (2,200 Lbs.) Doesn’t this violate the conservation of mass? (physical mass not the RELIGIOUS SERVIC CALLED mass…ha ha)
ok. if you are eating jesus…the actual person…and each wafer weighs 1 gram and say in a given hour 1,000,000 people eat the real human jesus.
That would be 1000Kg of jesus. Yet there has never been a human that weighed 1000Kg (2,200 Lbs.) Doesn’t this violate the conservation of mass? (physical mass not the RELIGIOUS SERVICE CALLED mass…ha ha)
Actually suspending the rational mind is necessary to reconcile religious “mystery”. It is the credulous mind that doesn’t question WHY IS THIS? But thanks for assigning motive to my question. I suppose it IS disrespectful to be skeptical…or to question authority. I plead guilty of incredulism, if only you would answer the questions that I post instead guilting me into silence…because that will never work. The inquisition is over baby and we wanna know the answers!
“All great truths begin as blasphemies.”
-George Bernard Shaw
Well, I don’t think they claim that the bread, wine, physically changes into Jesus. I’m pretty sure Catholics say that it spiritually changes into Jesus. The bread and wine still has the appearance of bread and wine, but in another sense, it’s become Jesus. (In philosophy, this is the difference between “accidental properties” and “substantial properties”. An accidental property of an object is the way it appears, and a substantial property of an object is what it is). All of the Catholic “sacraments” do that. If you’re baptized, you’re not outwardly different, but your soul, the essence of what “you” are, has changed, into a Christian. If you confess, you’re not outwardly different, but your soul, your essence is changed…the sins are gone. If you marry, your essence becomes bound to another person’s, etc. (I invite any Catholic on the board to correct any misunderstandings, of course) I think they’d say it isn’t an outward, physical, scientific change, but a miraculous change in the philosophical nature of the bread or wine.
dierson, I could be wrong here, but I don’t think that you genuinely are curious about anything regarding Catholicism and would just like to sit around and attempt to poke holes in it. Now, what makes me think that you truly aren’t curious.
If you were truly trying gain a greater understanding of the religion you would find out what the words like tranfiguration or transubstantiation meant instead of dismissing them. You have not even asked what those words meant in this forum, but merely brushed them aside as something beside the point, when in fact they are central mysteries and important to the religions you are supposedly trying to gain a better understanding of.
If God can create the universe from nothing, carry out the miracle of the loaves and fishes, turn wine into water, what makes you think that it would be beyond his ability to carry out another miracle that makes the Eucharist possible?
True skeptics don’t try to be insulting – nor do they make smart-alecky “analyses” and end them with “haha”. Look around the board – skepticism, critique and even outright denunciation abound and are welcomed. We await serious inquiry.
Interesting. I’ll have to check my floozwaggle and my gepperstimper and get back with you on that. The reason I don’t care about the process words is that is not my question. My question was, Is it cannibalism? Over all I hear, “it is…but we like it that way!”
Fine.
As far as “routine miracles” go. I think that is a contradictory phrase. The routine would be the changing of bread into flesh and wine into blood every day 24/hours 7days a week,all over the world. A routine occurance is NOT a miricle. Sorry. I even looked up ‘miracle’ to make sure.
So…in the end. It is a cannibalistic ritual that sickens me. What’s next ritualistic incest?
I dismiss this religion on much more than this thing (another thread sometime)…but all these years I didn’t realize Cannibalistic Rituals were the central theme of the church service. You should be ashamed of yourselves actually. But this is America and you can do that (because you have a sizable pleurality…but that is another thread).
Have fun! Just don’t start thinkin’ that if eating jesus is good, the rest of the country is on the menu.
oh. well I am quite new here. Sorry.
by the way …I said “ha ha” to the pun between physical mass and the religious service called mass. Had I said Conservation of Mass…it could have been ambiguous between the religious service and the physical laws.
So, don’t be so SENSITIVE!
dierson is now officially the coolest guy I’ve ever met in my life.
:rolleyes:
beagledave is counting the posts until “Roman Catholics: I’m NOT impressed” shows up.