# Ask the conservative asshole **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [September 25, 2017, 7:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ask-the-conservative-asshole/797299 "2017-09-25T19:00:36Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 20
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2017, 11:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ask-the-conservative-asshole/797299/381 "2017-09-28T23:52:43Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > I always think I have a more accurate view of everything, though. šŸ˜ƒ > > So, yeah: slur. To enlighten any skeptics, can you describe some instances in which you or those close to you were called wetback? ---
**Author:** ![raventhief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/raventhief/32/4_2.png) [@raventhief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/raventhief)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2017, 12:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ask-the-conservative-asshole/797299/382 "2017-09-29T00:21:24Z")
> [@billfish678](#): > > He banned people from countries with a serious terrorist problem. Oneā€™s that were on OBAMAS list of problematic countries. > [@raventhief](#): > > Which is the worst country for terrorism against us, and why? Which country is in your opinion worst? ---
**Author:** ![Sunny\_Daze](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sunny_daze/32/438_2.png) [@Sunny\_Daze](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sunny_Daze)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2017, 12:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ask-the-conservative-asshole/797299/383 "2017-09-29T00:28:23Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > To enlighten any skeptics, can you describe some instances in which you or those close to you were called wetback? May I ask why? (I donā€™t see this coming up in threads about the infamous n-word, for example.) Does Bricker or any other Latino on the Board really need to provide examples just for **Clothahump**? ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2017, 1:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ask-the-conservative-asshole/797299/384 "2017-09-29T01:06:24Z")
> [@Sunny\_Daze](#): > > May I ask why? (I donā€™t see this coming up in threads about the infamous n-word, for example.) Does Bricker or any other Latino on the Board really need to provide examples just for **Clothahump**? Youā€™re right ā€“ my question might have overstepped decency. **Bricker** , if youā€™re not comfortable with this, then Iā€™ll gladly retract my request and apologize. ---
**Author:** ![Clothahump](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/51bf81/32.png) [@Clothahump](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Clothahump)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2017, 1:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ask-the-conservative-asshole/797299/385 "2017-09-29T01:47:57Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > I agree with you on this point: itā€™s a slur. > > Of course, inasmuch as I am Hispanic, perhaps Iā€™m biased. Nobody has said that itā€™s not derogatory. I sure havenā€™t. The issue earlier was whether it was racist. It isnā€™t. ---
**Author:** ![snfaulkner](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snfaulkner/32/433_2.png) [@snfaulkner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snfaulkner)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2017, 1:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ask-the-conservative-asshole/797299/386 "2017-09-29T01:51:23Z")
> [@Clothahump](#): > > Nobody has said that itā€™s not derogatory. I sure havenā€™t. The issue earlier was whether it was racist. It isnā€™t. So what do you consider hispanics then, if not a race? ---
**Author:** ![John\_DiFool](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_difool/32/19543_2.png) [@John\_DiFool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_DiFool)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2017, 3:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ask-the-conservative-asshole/797299/387 "2017-09-29T03:02:17Z")
Going to copy an **AHunter3** post here, even tho it was made in that now-closed **Shodan** ATMB thread (so hope **AH** doesnā€™t mind): > [@White people dining out? Gotta be false!](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/white-people-dining-out-gotta-be-false/106124/35): > > Meanwhile, a second theme in this here thread is the experience of conservative-minded SDMB members as aā€¦ dare I say itā€¦ marginalized minority. I want to say this to you (and to others who identify in that fashion): I experience you as being here in good faith. I think the conservative dopers who have chosen to stick around for the long haul are doing so in a genuine effort to communicate, as opposed to just looking for opportunities to taunt and torment the libtards and so forth. That doesnā€™t preclude you from behaving in the latter fashion in any given thread or in any given post, and yes I still think the post for which you got the warning was intended as a poke, an attempt to make us look ridiculous. But I do believe you participate on the dope in order to communicate. Naturally you hope your way of seeing the world will rub off on other (less conservative) people more than you hope the influence will take place in the other direction ā€“ I donā€™t begrudge you that in the slightest, by the way ā€“ but I view you as a sincere participant in this marketplace of ideas thingie weā€™ve got going here. I appreciate his attempt here, but I must conclude that he is being more than a bit naiveā€™. I, too, would like to think that all Dopers can and do post in good faith. But the small subset discussed above is part of a larger group of conservatives, and it would be a mistake to think that they speak for all conservatives. Quite a few here have in fact publicly (and often greatly) distanced themselves from Trump, the current GOP, and all that they stand for. Many have simply thrown their hands up in the air and stopped discussing politics here at all; some, by comparison, may indeed appear at first glance to be rather liberal. The small cadre that remains and self-identifies as conservative (coming right to the chase) donā€™t seem the least bit interested in an authentic dialogue to me. What I instead see, day by day, are constant simplistic gotchas which are intended only to rile up and infuriate. If they are truly trying to convince anyone that they are on the right side of things, then such transparently childish (and often hypocritical) tactics bely said stated/implied aim. That such tactics are not seen by everyone on the board (much less by everybody in the country/world) in such a light simply shows where the morality-nay, honor and integrity-of those who have such a blinkered perspective (both the purveyors of such views and their audience) truly lies. Exhibit A is a thread made earlier this afternoon in IMHO by JohnT: [What was the worst you expected from a Hillary Presidency?](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/newreply.php?do=newreply&p=20505932) After all of the hyperbole surrounding last yearā€™s election run, after all of the vitriol and accusations and such thrown her way (here and elsewhere), here is a chance for them to chime in and say in a sober fashion just what it was about the thought of her winning that so perturbed them that they felt that had to punch the ticket for Trump. And not a single one has chimed in ā€œa genuine effort to communicate in good faithā€ their views on said subject in 6 hours now. Thatā€™s because a thread where they must attempt to put forth reasoned, cogent views with depth and nuance, where they cannot rub the liberalā€™s noses in whatever, simply does not interest them in the least. Itā€™s all a game of purely reactionary stimulus-response one-upmanship for them, and nothing else. ---
**Author:** ![vivalostwages](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/d07c76/32.png) [@vivalostwages](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/vivalostwages)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2017, 3:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ask-the-conservative-asshole/797299/388 "2017-09-29T03:10:32Z")
> [@billfish678](#): > > Given a few recent threadsā€¦wellā€¦apparently I am an assholeā€¦ > > Ask me a question. And Iā€™ll answer. > > But given that ANY given topic could turn in a shit storm of debateā€¦well, I donā€™t have time for thatā€¦ > > But ask a reasonably specific question and Iā€™ll give a decent answer from my POV. > > Again, I ainā€™t debating this shit. > > But if you are curious. Ask. Do you think deporting all undocumented/illegal people from the U.S. would be a good move? If so, would this include those brought to this country as very young children? ---
**Author:** ![Clothahump](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/51bf81/32.png) [@Clothahump](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Clothahump)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2017, 4:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ask-the-conservative-asshole/797299/389 "2017-09-29T04:53:23Z")
> [@snfaulkner](#): > > So what do you consider hispanics then, if not a race? People. Thereā€™s only one race - the human race. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2017, 5:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ask-the-conservative-asshole/797299/390 "2017-09-29T05:03:32Z")
> [@Clothahump](#): > > People. Thereā€™s only one race - the human race. So ā€œwetbacksā€ is merely an affirmation of their humanity? ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2017, 5:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ask-the-conservative-asshole/797299/391 "2017-09-29T05:17:21Z")
> [@Clothahump](#): > > Nobody has said that itā€™s not derogatory. I sure havenā€™t. The issue earlier was whether it was racist. It isnā€™t. You really are too fucking stupid for words. ---
**Author:** ![snfaulkner](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snfaulkner/32/433_2.png) [@snfaulkner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snfaulkner)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2017, 5:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ask-the-conservative-asshole/797299/392 "2017-09-29T05:20:48Z")
> [@Clothahump](#): > > People. Thereā€™s only one race - the human race. You win. I concede. However, one more thing, do you then agree ā€œwetbackā€ is an ethnicst term? One that is a derogatory term (as ykuve already agreed) based on ethnicity? ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2017, 9:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ask-the-conservative-asshole/797299/393 "2017-09-29T09:38:01Z")
> [@Clothahump](#): > > People. Thereā€™s only one race - the human race. By this standard there are no racial slurs. Which is incredibly stupid. ---
**Author:** ![El\_DeLuxo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/el_deluxo/32/9043_2.png) [@El\_DeLuxo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_DeLuxo)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2017, 10:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ask-the-conservative-asshole/797299/394 "2017-09-29T10:05:46Z")
Hi there, **Billfish** ; you still havenā€™t answered _my_ question(from several days ago): Why are conservatives so keen on policing and repressing other peoplesā€™ sexual behavior? ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2017, 1:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ask-the-conservative-asshole/797299/395 "2017-09-29T13:41:53Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > This is not accurate, but itā€™s my own fault ā€“ my conceit that everyone breathlessly follows all my posts. > > In the thread in which I related my voting dilemma, I was clearer that policies (or lack thereof) for both candidates were primary motivators. Weighing against Clinton, for example, was my concern about her potential Supreme Court appointments and her apparent willingness to abandon or reduce support for Israel. Weighing against Trump was his total lack of in-depth policy, his willingness to lie (and more generally his willingness to flout established political norms) and his lack of government experience. > > In this thread, I clearly said said that the way people behave here was "_part_ of the reason, and I was moved ā€œ_in part_ by discussions here as well.ā€ I get that you overcame that temptation. And for what good it did, I suppose I appreciate that. I am just realizing and acknowledging, for the first time, that that temptation was actually there. If you, with all your principles and hyper rationality felt even a twinge of emotion that could have influenced you to vote for trump based on the idea that it would harm those with whom you disagree, then I take it that there are those who allow their emotions to have more control over their actions. You articulated a reaction and emotion that I had not been able to quite get my head around. I imagine that if you were one of the many who succumbed to that emotion, you would not have even recognized, much less described that feeling. You are a rare specimen in my travels indeed, who is able to recognize and explain an influencing factor that you resisted. This is useful. I truly donā€™t understand hate or hatred, or even dislike. I cannot hold a grudge, even when it is literally to save my life. I just like people, itā€™s how I am. Throw me in a room of strangers, and I will find a friend. Throw me in a room of enemies, and I will find some allies. I canā€™t imagine desiring harm, no matter how small, to befall someone because I disagree with their opinion. You say you didnā€™t carry through with it, but you do seem to admit to the emotion as an influence. Understanding where you are coming from on that temptation helps me better understand those who gave in to it. > [@](#): > > To the extent that you read those as meaning ā€œmostlyā€ or ā€œin large part,ā€ that wasnā€™t accurate. To the extent that I used the words ā€œmostlyā€, or ā€œin large partā€, I didnā€™t. :dubious: Though, here, I will conclude that there were, IMHO, many who were in large part motivated to vote for trump mostly out of a desire to see harm befall those with different opinions. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2017, 1:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ask-the-conservative-asshole/797299/396 "2017-09-29T13:45:45Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > They would shit their own pants just to make the dude in the bus next to them uncomfortable. I dunno if you came up with this or stole it yourself, but I think I will be stealing it. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2017, 2:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ask-the-conservative-asshole/797299/397 "2017-09-29T14:01:33Z")
> [@k9bfriender](#): > > You say you didnā€™t carry through with it, but you do seem to admit to the emotion as an influence. Yes. Itā€™s not a Gore Vidal ā€œIt is not enough that I should succeed - my opponents should fail,ā€ thing, though. Itā€™s simply a desire to meet smug certainty with contradiction, to say, in effect, ā€œPerhaps next time your certitude will be leavened by prudent doubt, eh?ā€ Of course, itā€™s empty ā€“ it seldom happens. The very people that exude smug certainty do so because they never learned in the past to care when they are spectacularly wrong. One more spectacular fail doesnā€™t change them; they just ignore it and continue bloviating. And the people that were more prudent and cautious about offering predictions arenā€™t the ones I wanted to see contradicted. But yeah, I admit the temptation was there. ---
**Author:** ![Knowed\_Out](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/knowed_out/32/7380_2.png) [@Knowed\_Out](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Knowed_Out)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2017, 2:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ask-the-conservative-asshole/797299/398 "2017-09-29T14:07:09Z")
Remember, gotta keep the questions to 10 words or less for billfish678. Too bad we canā€™t do pretty charts and graphs like what Trump gets. It also helps to mention billfish678ā€™s name every so often to keep his attention, like they do for Trump. So billfish678, when does life begin? ---
**Author:** ![Clothahump](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/51bf81/32.png) [@Clothahump](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Clothahump)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2017, 2:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ask-the-conservative-asshole/797299/399 "2017-09-29T14:09:50Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > So ā€œwetbacksā€ is merely an affirmation of their humanity? Sigh. Are you really this dumb, or do you take lessons at it? ---
**Author:** ![Clothahump](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/51bf81/32.png) [@Clothahump](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Clothahump)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2017, 2:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ask-the-conservative-asshole/797299/400 "2017-09-29T14:12:30Z")
> [@snfaulkner](#): > > You win. I concede. > > However, one more thing, do you then agree ā€œwetbackā€ is an ethnicst term? One that is a derogatory term (as ykuve already agreed) based on ethnicity? No. Itā€™s based on action, as has already been pointed out. If I am speaking to you and someone is behind you that you canā€™t see, and I tell you that I think that person is a wetback, can you derive the ethnicity of that person from the term? The simple answer is no. The answer that you might come up with will derive from your own personal biases. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ask-the-conservative-asshole/797299.md?page=19) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ask-the-conservative-asshole/797299.md?page=21)