# Ask the conspiracy theorist **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [October 27, 2012, 5:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ask-the-conspiracy-theorist/639012 "2012-10-27T05:07:39Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 21
**Author:** ![Furious\_Marmot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/dfb087/32.png) [@Furious\_Marmot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Furious_Marmot)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2013, 5:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ask-the-conspiracy-theorist/639012/401 "2013-01-10T17:39:07Z")
How does the Minnesota Iceman fit into the conspiracy? > **[Monster Hunt: Minnesota Iceman](https://www.outsideonline.com/adventure-travel/destinations/north-america/monster-hunt-minnesota-iceman/?scope=anon)** > > Katie Heaney recounts the history of the most famous Midwestern Yeti ---
**Author:** ![Capt\_Kirk](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/779978/32.png) [@Capt\_Kirk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Capt_Kirk)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2013, 6:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ask-the-conspiracy-theorist/639012/402 "2013-01-10T18:00:58Z")
> [@Loach](#): > > Yeah what he said. The math was able to be done on slide rules. The rockets had much less computer power than your phone. We had our own group of Nazis that helped their program. There was no Lizard tech involved. Unless you believe [science fiction](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Road_Not_Taken_(short_story)) as fact. I was told and don’t know if it true but supposedly the graphing calculators that came out in the eighties and ninties were more computationally powerful than the entire system of computers that sent men to the moon. Wouldn’t surprise me at all. **Capt** ---
**Author:** ![Loach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/loach/32/350_2.png) [@Loach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loach)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2013, 6:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ask-the-conspiracy-theorist/639012/403 "2013-01-10T18:06:02Z")
> [@Capt\_Kirk](#): > > I was told and don’t know if it true but supposedly the graphing calculators that came out in the eighties and ninties were more computationally powerful than the entire system of computers that sent men to the moon. Wouldn’t surprise me at all. > > **Capt** I heard the same but I didn’t want to overstate. ---
**Author:** ![Kozmik](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/8dc957/32.png) [@Kozmik](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kozmik)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2013, 6:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ask-the-conspiracy-theorist/639012/404 "2013-01-10T18:35:45Z")
> [@Loach](#): > > You were mostly answering questions from other people not me. So why answer them the way I would reply? Why not answer their questions in detail? Because long reply does not necessarily equal well-thought-out response. > [@Loach](#): > > You question their ability to pull it off. No, I question their knowing that they would be able to pull it off. > [@Loach](#): > > Why? Because it’s in the long-run. > [@Loach](#): > > What kind of idiotic response is that? I was responding to your non-answer of “Not the world that you know. Not the world as it was at the end of the 20th century.” You said nothing about a book. Are you having conversations with me that are not appearing in print? Because that was a total non sequitur. hint: The summary I linked to had this quote: > [@](#): > > The book’s title comes from a quote delivered by the character Morpheus in the 1999 film The Matrix: “Welcome to the desert of the real”. Both Žižek’s title and the line from The Matrix refer to a phrase in Jean Baudrillard’s Simulacra and Simulation. And: > [@](#): > > For Žižek, this represents a prime example of the 20th-century’s “passion for the Real,” for which the terrorist attacks of 9/11 were the ultimate artistic expression. So in case you did not get the hint, let me spell it out for you. My response was a quote from The Matrix: > [@](#): > > This is the world that you know. The world as it was at the end of the 20th century. It exists now only as part of a neural-interactive simulation that we call the Matrix. Watch or re-watch The Matrix for context. > [@Loach](#): > > Maybe it comforts you to think there is that much order in life. Maybe it comforts you to think that there is order or that there is disorder and that one can tell the difference between order and disorder. > [@Loach](#): > > Then why read it? Whether it is true or false, I read it. > [@Loach](#): > > And? Targets destroyed. > [@Loach](#): > > The SDMB is mostly a collection of opinions. It is not a primary source except in very rare occasions in GQ. Ok. > [@Loach](#): > > Are you immune to sarcasm? Nooo. :rolleyes: > [@Loach](#): > > The fact that you think contemplating about lizard people needs to take a lot of time means you are batshit crazy. If there was even the smallest hint of a hint of proof that it could possibly be real I would give it some deeper thought. I’m waiting. So instead of contemplating about lizard people, contemplate about the Anarch. > [@Loach](#): > > What part?That I assumed that it comes from a work of German fiction? No thats true. That I assumed it was a new discovery of yours? Well you only pulled that term out of the air recently so I’m pretty confident. But if you can show where you used it earlier I’ll admit to being wrong. You misinterpreted the novel earlier than I thought. I never read the novel. > [@Loach](#): > > Never met the man. Seems like a big windbag. But I’m pretty sure he doesn’t believe in lizard people. But I know you are using what he wrote to somehow fit in with your loony opinions. I really doubt he would agree with you on anything. Moot point since he’s dead. > [@Loach](#): > > Exactly what it deserved. You are shoehorning motives of fictional people to fit your “theory” without a hint of proof. And answering questions with non-answers. I’m not the only one replying to this thread. > [@Loach](#): > > Yes. And? Did he say anything about the Illuminati or Lizard People? No. > [@Loach](#): > > Do you think [infowars.net](http://infowars.net) and [prisonplanet.com](http://prisonplanet.com) are credible sources? No. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2013, 6:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ask-the-conspiracy-theorist/639012/405 "2013-01-10T18:42:17Z")
The first Matrix movie was fun, but the series was incredibly pompous and boring- mostly because it devoted so much time to this kind of nonsense. ---
**Author:** ![Telemark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/telemark/32/372_2.png) [@Telemark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Telemark)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2013, 8:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ask-the-conspiracy-theorist/639012/406 "2013-01-10T20:30:02Z")
> [@Kozmik](#): > > I’m not the only one replying to this thread. You’re the only one not replying in this thread. You’re typing, but you’re not replying. ---
**Author:** ![Loach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/loach/32/350_2.png) [@Loach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loach)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2013, 10:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ask-the-conspiracy-theorist/639012/407 "2013-01-10T22:01:35Z")
> [@Kozmik](#): > > Because long reply does not necessarily equal well-thought-out response. > > No, I question their knowing that they would be able to pull it off. > > Because it’s in the long-run. > > hint: The summary I linked to had this quote: > > And: > > So in case you did not get the hint, let me spell it out for you. My response was a quote from The Matrix: > > Watch or re-watch The Matrix for context. > > Maybe it comforts you to think that there is order or that there is disorder and that one can tell the difference between order and disorder. > > Whether it is true or false, I read it. > > Targets destroyed. > > Ok. > > Nooo. :rolleyes: > > So instead of contemplating about lizard people, contemplate about the Anarch. > > I never read the novel. > > Moot point since he’s dead. > > I’m not the only one replying to this thread. > > No. > > No. _Because long reply does not necessarily equal well-thought-out response._ But you make neither. Take a poll. I think you will find you are the only one who thinks you are giving well thought out responses. _No, I question their knowing that they would be able to pull it off._ They didn’t. No more than anyone who participates in any sort of attack or military operation. _Because it’s in the long-run._ And yet no evidence of it happening. _hint: The summary I linked to had this quote: And: So in case you did not get the hint, let me spell it out for you. My response was a quote from The Matrix: Watch or re-watch The Matrix for context._ The Matrix was a trippy original and fun piece of science fiction. But it really falls apart logically with a second viewing. The next two movies were a total mess. It is telling that you think this work of fiction somehow proves anything. _So instead of contemplating about lizard people, contemplate about the Anarch._ What about the Anarch? I should contemplate a character from a 70s German novel? Fiction isn’t real. Therefore there is nothing to contemplate. _I never read the novel._ But thats where the name and the concept came from. How can you believe that this fictional character is real when you haven’t even looked into the origins of the word? _Maybe it comforts you to think that there is order or that there is disorder and that one can tell the difference between order and disorder._ That sounds like 70s new age pyscho babble. I don’t need to be comforted. I am just fine dealing with reality. You are the one who is pulling concepts from fiction and various philosphers and writers and somehow mangling it into your world view of Lizard People and Evil geniuses with weather control machines. _Moot point since he’s dead._ That in no way invalidates the fact that he wrote nothing that proves or even hinted at Illuminati, Lizard People or Flying Saucers. _Whether it is true or false, I read it._ The question was why. It wasn’t a difficult question to read or understand. _Targets destroyed_ Yes. And? _Ok._ So what makes you think that this collection of opinions and Firefly discussions is a credible source. Any opinion given in an argument here is met with “cite!” None of us think that this is a source. Its a place where people have to show their work by linking to credible sources. If you have any faith in what is written here it would be in those Lizard run sources which are quoted here. \*Nooo. \* Good. But you aren’t very good at it. You answer sarcastic questions as if they are real. _No._ Ok then Sun-Tzu is hardly relevent to your supposition that there is Illuminati and Lizard People. \*No. \* So why don’t you find websites that agree with you on many of your conspiracies as credible sources? Why do you find a website like this one, in which the vast majority of those who read your opinions think you need psychiatric help, a credible source? I mean I agree with you on this. Infowars is not credible and the SDMB is better at it. But I’m not on your side. Doesn’t it make you feel silly talking about Lizard People? I feel silly just typing it. (waiting for the one word response) You just seem silly. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2013, 10:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ask-the-conspiracy-theorist/639012/408 "2013-01-10T22:45:50Z")
> [@Kozmik](#): > > The pilot of Flight 175 _not_ crashing the plane into the North Tower indicated that they knew that the towers would fall. > > It is not difficult to believe a well-funded terrorist group can hijack four airliners. It is not difficult to believe a well-funded terrorist group can aim them toward two skycrapers and the Pentagon. It is difficult to believe that a well-funded terrorist group can succeed in hitting the Pentagon and succeed in causing both skyscraper to fall. Both skyscrapers falling sure surprised the hell out of Osama bin Laden! He didn’t know that would happen, ergo his subordinates did not know, either. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2013, 10:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ask-the-conspiracy-theorist/639012/409 "2013-01-10T22:47:12Z")
> [@Loach](#): > > _Because long reply does not necessarily equal well-thought-out response._ > > But you make neither. Take a poll. I think you will find you are the only one who thinks you are giving well thought out responses. I think a pill would be more beneficial. ---
**Author:** ![Telemark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/telemark/32/372_2.png) [@Telemark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Telemark)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2013, 11:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ask-the-conspiracy-theorist/639012/410 "2013-01-10T23:28:44Z")
> [@Lute Skywatcher](#): > > Both skyscrapers falling sure surprised the hell out of Osama bin Laden! He didn’t know that would happen, ergo his subordinates did not know, either. He’s remaining willfully ignorant on this issue, impervious to logic and facts. Well, on pretty much all issues raised in this thread and every other thread he’s participated in. ---
**Author:** ![Loach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/loach/32/350_2.png) [@Loach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loach)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2013, 11:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ask-the-conspiracy-theorist/639012/411 "2013-01-10T23:36:42Z")
> [@Telemark](#): > > He’s remaining willfully ignorant on this issue, impervious to logic and facts. > > Well, on pretty much all issues raised in this thread and every other thread he’s participated in. Yeah I think my fun meter is pegged out. I might reply to something particularly dumb but I’m done with the point by point. He has no point. I’ll just be met with one word answers, cryptic responses and links that prove nothing. It’s like talking to a 12 year old who just discovered the internet and thinks he is deep. And I have no idea how you can talk about Lizard People without feeling silly. ---
**Author:** ![Larry\_Borgia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/larry_borgia/32/156_2.png) [@Larry\_Borgia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Larry_Borgia)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2013, 4:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ask-the-conspiracy-theorist/639012/412 "2013-01-11T16:53:30Z")
> [@Loach](#): > > Yeah I think my fun meter is pegged out. I might reply to something particularly dumb but I’m done with the point by point. He has no point. I’ll just be met with one word answers, cryptic responses and links that prove nothing. It’s like talking to a 12 year old who just discovered the internet and thinks he is deep. > > And I have no idea how you can talk about Lizard People without feeling silly. Yeah, Because I’m either crazy or stupid, I keep posting thinking “This, _This_ will be the post that gets a clear answer out of **Kozmik**!” Then I get this: Me:Can you explain using your own words why the Soviet Union and Nazi Germany reveal an Illuminati conspiracy, instead of merely being the brutal totalitarian regimes they appear to be? Kozmik: Yes. Which is actually kind of funny. I don’t mind being the butt of a joke from time to time, but it gets old after awhile. ---
**Author:** ![Kozmik](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/8dc957/32.png) [@Kozmik](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kozmik)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2013, 6:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ask-the-conspiracy-theorist/639012/413 "2013-01-11T18:39:44Z")
> [@Larry\_Borgia](#): > > Yeah, Because I’m either crazy or stupid, I keep posting thinking “This, _This_ will be the post that gets a clear answer out of **Kozmik**!” Then I get this: > > Me:Can you explain using your own words why the Soviet Union and Nazi Germany reveal an Illuminati conspiracy, instead of merely being the brutal totalitarian regimes they appear to be? > Kozmik: Yes. > > Which is actually kind of funny. I don’t mind being the butt of a joke from time to time, but it gets old after awhile. I’m going to anwer your critical question and I’m going to reply to **Loach** again. You’re not the butt of any joke, at least not from me. It’s just that I replied that way because I knew **Loach** just couldn’t help himself and he just needed to reply to an answer that was not from a question of his. And he knew this: > [@Loach](#): > > You were mostly answering questions from other people not me. So why answer them the way I would reply? Why not answer their questions in detail? And yet he still replied: > [@Loach](#): > > So you can explain but you won’t. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![Loach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/loach/32/350_2.png) [@Loach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loach)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2013, 7:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ask-the-conspiracy-theorist/639012/414 "2013-01-11T19:12:19Z")
> [@Kozmik](#): > > I’m going to anwer your critical question and I’m going to reply to **Loach** again. You’re not the butt of any joke, at least not from me. It’s just that I replied that way because I knew **Loach** just couldn’t help himself and he just needed to reply to an answer that was not from a question of his. And he knew this: > > And yet he still replied: > > :rolleyes: And yet still you haven’t answered. If you needed a few days to compose a reply for some reason it would be normal to say, I’ll answer that when I get the chance. Instead you answered “Yes.” Again trying to be inscrutable and failing. I have no idea why you would need a few days to give a one word answer or a link without explanation. ---
**Author:** ![Telemark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/telemark/32/372_2.png) [@Telemark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Telemark)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2013, 7:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ask-the-conspiracy-theorist/639012/415 "2013-01-11T19:29:08Z")
> [@Loach](#): > > I have no idea why you would need a few days to give a one word answer or a link without explanation. There really aren’t any new questions in this thread - he’s been asked pretty much the same thing for the past year and we haven’t gotten an answer that is both straightforward and coherent. ---
**Author:** ![Loach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/loach/32/350_2.png) [@Loach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loach)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2013, 8:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ask-the-conspiracy-theorist/639012/416 "2013-01-11T20:37:05Z")
> [@Telemark](#): > > There really aren’t any new questions in this thread - he’s been asked pretty much the same thing for the past year and we haven’t gotten an answer that is both straightforward and coherent. I think most are asking questions to help Koz. Maybe eventually he’ll realize that this philosophy is not coherent or well thought out. I don’t think I will get a good answer. Although I have kidded and sometimes answered sarcastically I am genuinely concerned for him. ---
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2013, 9:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ask-the-conspiracy-theorist/639012/417 "2013-01-11T21:20:49Z")
> [@Loach](#): > > Although I have kidded and sometimes answered sarcastically I am genuinely concerned for him. Why? He’s having a great time. ---
**Author:** ![Furious\_Marmot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/dfb087/32.png) [@Furious\_Marmot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Furious_Marmot)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2013, 9:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ask-the-conspiracy-theorist/639012/418 "2013-01-11T21:27:00Z")
> [@Telemark](#): > > There really aren’t any new questions in this thread… Well, there is a certain question about the Minnesota Iceman that has been tragically ignored. ---
**Author:** ![Loach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/loach/32/350_2.png) [@Loach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loach)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2013, 9:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ask-the-conspiracy-theorist/639012/419 "2013-01-11T21:35:38Z")
> [@Jackmannii](#): > > Why? He’s having a great time. Maybe its the whole informational aphasia/ detached from reality thing. ---
**Author:** ![Muffin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muffin/32/4341_2.png) [@Muffin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Muffin)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2013, 6:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ask-the-conspiracy-theorist/639012/420 "2013-01-14T18:52:35Z")
Kozmic, do you believe that the Sandy Hook / Newton massacre was a hoax set up by Obama to stir demand for gun control? What do you think of people who believe in this particular conspiracy? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ask-the-conspiracy-theorist/639012.md?page=20) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ask-the-conspiracy-theorist/639012.md?page=22)