# Ask the conspiracy theorist **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [October 27, 2012, 5:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ask-the-conspiracy-theorist/639012 "2012-10-27T05:07:39Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 22
**Author:** ![Loach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/loach/32/350_2.png) [@Loach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loach)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2013, 8:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ask-the-conspiracy-theorist/639012/421 "2013-01-14T20:48:25Z")
> [@Muffin](#): > > Kozmic, do you believe that the Sandy Hook / Newton massacre was a hoax set up by Obama to stir demand for gun control? > > What do you think of people who believe in this particular conspiracy? Right around the time he was explaining why an evil super villain sent hurricane Sandy to NYC in order to get Bloomberg to endorse Obama, he mentioned how he thought the Sandy Hook conspiracy theory was ridiculous. Go figure. ---
**Author:** ![Smeghead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f1d935/32.png) [@Smeghead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smeghead)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2013, 9:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ask-the-conspiracy-theorist/639012/422 "2013-01-14T21:10:51Z")
Yes, but perhaps by now it’s been discussed in the New York Times, making it unquestionably the truth. ---
**Author:** ![Kozmik](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/8dc957/32.png) [@Kozmik](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kozmik)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2013, 2:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ask-the-conspiracy-theorist/639012/423 "2013-01-18T02:49:37Z")
As promised, I’m going to answer **Larry Borgia** ’s critically important question, reply to **Loach** again, and answer all other questions. I’ve been very busy with work and other things in my life and I haven’t had the time to answer as fully as I would like to. I’ve now had the opportunity to read through this entire thread, sleep on it, and now I will reply to posts that might facilitate the discussion. I will explain my current understanding of the state of the world in the present and the state of the world in the past. I also will explain my understanding of the Roman Emperor Diocletian. My current understanding of the state of the world in the present and the past: There are (cited by Wikipedia) 242 countries in the world. There are (cited by _The New York Times_) 192 governments in the world. From this, I understand that there are 192 heads of government. Among the heads of government, there is Kim Jong-un, head of government of North Korea, perhaps the last totalitarian dictator in the world and there is Barack Obama, head of government of The United States, possibly the most powerful person on the planet. Then there are 190 other heads of government that do not bear mentioning. Besides the heads of government, there is [this](http://www.wargs.com/essays/succession/2011.html) family. Finally, there is the Pope of whom there is a power behind the throne, which is the Illuminati. Why do royalty and the Pope bear mentioning? Because both were once “in power”. Now, of course, Queen Elizabeth II is, in most respects, largely ceremonial. And, obviously, the Pope does not preside over Christendom as his predecessors once did. Indeed, the Pope presided over Christendom, creating [precedence](http://fabpedigree.com/priority.htm) of European rulers: > [@](#): > > In order to settle ambassadorial protocol, in about 1504 A.D., Pope Julius II created a strict priority ordering among the Kings and Dukes of Catholic Europe. Now that’s power. I can already anticipate the replies - _“How could sovereigns agree to the ordering of who is more important and less important? What gives the Pope the authority to do that?”_ Supreme authority! I can anticipate further replies - _“Supreme authority? What are you talking about? I thought you said that the Illuminati is the power behind the throne for the Pope? Now you’re saying that the Pope has/had all this power. Is the Pope the Anarch?”_ No! The Pope is not the Anarch. The Pope is a mere figurehead, a decoy for the Anarch, a pawn, as it were. The Pope did not posses that power; the Illuminati exercised their power through the Pope to the “rulers” of Europe. I’m sure that the rulers of Europe were all as confused as many of you all are now, when they were told that there would be a set order of precedence among them! 😛 So there is that family - the royal family, which includes Queen Elizabeth II, Albert II, Margrethe II, Beatrix, Harald V, Juan Carlos I, and Karl XVI Gustav. All related. All largely ceremonial. Here come more replies - _“What’s the point of all this? So there are ceremonial kings and queens and they’re all related? So what?”_ The point is that before the modern heads of government, all of whom are theoretically equal, there were kings and queens and the Pope. Before the kings and queens and the Pope, there was the Roman Empire, the Roman Emperor. Which bring me to Diocletian. _proviso_ I ask that discussion of Diocletian be limited to The Encyclopaedia Britannica (1994). Yes, we could use Wikipedia (which I am fond of using) or other sources; however, considering that this specific discussion of Diocletian is not “current”, I’d rather use a source that is not edited and re-edited. The Britannica article on Diocletian begins by pointing out that little is known of his background, that his father was either a slave or a scribe and that is wife, Prisca, is only known through one source - Lactantius Firmianus’s _De mortibus persecutorum_, which is of “debatable veracity”. Early in life he lived in military camps. According to the _Historia Agusta_, he may have been in Gaul. It is known that he fought against the Persians in 284 and, at the same time, became Emperor after Numerian was killed. Diocletian became Emperor on November 17, 284. The article explains that he possessed “real power” only in the parts of the Empire that were dominated by his army and that Numerian’s brother Carnius had power over the rest of the Empire. This state of affairs did not last long because in 285 Carnius was assassinated by a group of soldiers. Then in 286 Diocletian set out to remove the army from politics and, that same year, chose Maximian for Milan and then in 293 chose Galerius and Canstantius for other parts of the Empire. So Diocletian governed Egypt, Thrace, and Asia, Galerius governed Illyria and the Danubian provinces, Maximian governed Italy and Africa, and Constantius governed Gaul, Spain, and Britain. Nevertheless, Diocletian remained a _patrimonium indivisum_, meaning that he was still the Emperor as were his successors up until the fall of the Roman Empire. Do you know what Diocletian, Galerius, Maximian, and Constantius were known as? _Quattuor principes mundi_. The four princes of the world. Imagine that. I can just see the reply - _“That’s nice. What are you getting at?”_ :smack: Why couldn’t someone create precedence of the heads of government in the same way that the Pope created precedence of the rulers of Europe? ---
**Author:** ![Kozmik](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/8dc957/32.png) [@Kozmik](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kozmik)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2013, 2:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ask-the-conspiracy-theorist/639012/424 "2013-01-18T02:50:40Z")
> [@Smeghead](#): > > Yes, but perhaps by now it’s been discussed in the New York Times, making it unquestionably the truth. You’re [not](http://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/17/us/even-defining-assault-weapons-is-complicated.html?ref=todayspaper&_r=0) far off the mark: > [@](#): > > On Internet forums there is perhaps no more fiercely discussed topic than the question of what constitues an assult weapon. 😃 > [@Loach](#): > > Right around the time he was explaining why an evil super villain sent hurricane Sandy to NYC in order to get Bloomberg to endorse Obama, he mentioned how he thought the Sandy Hook conspiracy theory was ridiculous. Go figure. :mad: :mad: :mad: This is what I mean by derisive and condescending: “right around the time”. Try one month [after](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=15718930&postcount=167). :rolleyes: > [@Muffin](#): > > Kozmic, do you believe that the Sandy Hook / Newton massacre was a hoax set up by Obama to stir demand for gun control? I do not believe that the Sandy Hook / Newton massacre was a hoax. > [@Muffin](#): > > What do you think of people who believe in this particular conspiracy? I think that they are misinformed. They are just watching CNN and making YouTube videos on what they are misinformed about. Remember what I told **Marley** about CNN here in regards to 9/11? Same applies to Sandy Hook. > [@Loach](#): > > And yet still you haven’t answered. > > If you needed a few days to compose a reply for some reason it would be normal to say, I’ll answer that when I get the chance. A normal person would not need to say that. > [@Lute Skywatcher](#): > > I think a pill would be more beneficial. I took the red pill. 🆒 > [@Lute Skywatcher](#): > > Both skyscrapers falling sure surprised the hell out of Osama bin Laden! He didn’t know that would happen, ergo his subordinates did not know, either. That does not necessarily mean his superiors did not know. By the way, _The New York Times_ reported today on the Bradley Manning trial and the defense made the claim that, regarding the material he leaked, “some were found on Osama bin Laden’s computer”. I’m sure a lot of things were found on Osama bin Laden’s computer. :rolleyes: > [@Furious\_Marmot](#): > > How does the Minnesota Iceman fit into the conspiracy? It doesn’t. > [@Muffin](#): > > The New York Times buries the lead so deeply that I rarely bother to read it. It doesn’t matter if the lead is buried or not, as long as you actually read it. (At least you can identify the lead.) > [@Loach](#): > > If the Illuminati are so all powerful and wide reaching so that they control every government and world leader, why do they allow you to expose them in a public forum? Because they have already allowed themselves to be exposed in another public forum. (Or didn’t you know?) ---
**Author:** ![Kozmik](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/8dc957/32.png) [@Kozmik](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kozmik)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2013, 2:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ask-the-conspiracy-theorist/639012/425 "2013-01-18T02:51:41Z")
> [@Loach](#): > > Take a poll. Maybe I will. > [@Loach](#): > > They didn’t. No more than anyone who participates in any sort of attack or military operation. I was not referring to the participants. > [@Loach](#): > > And yet no evidence of it happening. What would constitute evidence in your opinion? > [@Loach](#): > > The Matrix was a trippy original and fun piece of science fiction. But it really falls apart logically with a second viewing. The next two movies were a total mess. It is telling that you think this work of fiction somehow proves anything. No. It is telling that I believe that the next two movies were a total mess. I believe that the 1999 original film is worth more than a second look. > [@Loach](#): > > What about the Anarch? I should contemplate a character from a 70s German novel? Fiction isn’t real. Therefore there is nothing to contemplate. Ok. Then contemplate the [state of the political world](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_population) in the present. > [@Loach](#): > > But thats where the name and the concept came from. How can you believe that this fictional character is real when you haven’t even looked into the origins of the word? I do not believe that “this fiction character” is real because, again, I have never read the novel! In fact, I never heard of that novel until you mentioned it. > [@Loach](#): > > That sounds like 70s new age pyscho babble. I don’t need to be comforted. I am just fine dealing with reality. You are the one who is pulling concepts from fiction and various philosphers and writers and somehow mangling it into your world view of Lizard People and Evil geniuses with weather control machines. Again with the condescending! “I am just fine dealing with reality.” What do you have against philosophers in general? They’ve done a better job of comprehending - and complemplating - reality than you can ever hope to do. (Prove me wrong.) You _ass_u_me_ it is a question of there being order or disorder. > [@Loach](#): > > That in no way invalidates the fact that he wrote nothing that proves or even hinted at Illuminati, Lizard People or Flying Saucers. His book, _Simulacra and Simulation_ was briefly shown in a scene in The Matrix. > [@Loach](#): > > The question was why. It wasn’t a difficult question to read or understand. Because then I can read about “Internet forums” in a source _other_ than the SDMB… > [@Loach](#): > > Yes. And? Mission accomplished. > [@Loach](#): > > So what makes you think that this collection of opinions and Firefly discussions is a credible source. Any opinion given in an argument here is met with “cite!” None of us think that this is a source. Its a place where people have to show their work by linking to credible sources. If you have any faith in what is written here it would be in those Lizard run sources which are quoted here. I think that this collection of opinions and discussions on Firefly and on what constitutes an assault rife is in a credible source: [QUOTE=The New York Times, January 17, 2012] On Internet forums there is perhaps no more fiercely discussed topic than the question of what constitutes an assault rife. [/QUOTE] Cite! Now I’m going to show my work by [linking](http://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/17/us/even-defining-assault-weapons-is-complicated.html?ref=todayspaper&_r=0) to a credible source. 😃 😃 hint: What is the origin of the term “assault rife”? It’s explained in the cite. another hint: Do you believe the explanation? > [@Loach](#): > > You answer sarcastic questions as if they are real. Except that one. Ironic. > [@Loach](#): > > Ok then Sun-Tzu is hardly relevent to your supposition that there is Illuminati and Lizard People. Fair enough. > [@Loach](#): > > So why don’t you find websites that agree with you on many of your conspiracies as credible sources? Why do you find a website like this one, in which the vast majority of those who read your opinions think you need psychiatric help, a credible source? I mean I agree with you on this. Infowars is not credible and the SDMB is better at it. But I’m not on your side. Because it is not about this website or that website. Why do you agree with me? Why aren’t you on my side? 😕 ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2013, 2:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ask-the-conspiracy-theorist/639012/426 "2013-01-18T02:59:24Z")
> [@Kozmik](#): > > Finally, there is the Pope of whom there is a power behind the throne, which is the Illuminati. Nothing you said up to this point supports this statement. Nor is there anything here that supports all this Anarch gobbledygook. > [@](#): > > Why couldn’t someone create precedence of the heads of government in the same way that the Pope created precedence of the rulers of Europe? Because power is distributed differently and governments work differently, and information flows differently. And you’re not just arguing that someone could do this, you’re arguing that someone did. There’s no evidence for that. ---
**Author:** ![DocCathode](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/doccathode/32/18773_2.png) [@DocCathode](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DocCathode)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2013, 3:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ask-the-conspiracy-theorist/639012/427 "2013-01-18T03:06:54Z")
I thought the old timey popes got their power from material wealth a large and loyal army and the fact that faithful Catholics think the pope is Christ’s vicar on earth. ---
**Author:** ![sisu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/df705f/32.png) [@sisu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sisu)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2013, 5:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ask-the-conspiracy-theorist/639012/428 "2013-01-18T05:06:04Z")
> [@DocCathode](#): > > I thought the old timey popes got their power from > > material wealth > > a large and loyal army > > and the fact that faithful Catholics think the pope is Christ’s vicar on earth. In olde times most rulers claimed divine right to rule, the Pope was no different really. The real power came from having the ability to reliably tax their subjects and therefore build big arse armies wrapped up in a scary God. Assuming the Illuminati are the power behind the Pope, how do we explain the often portrayed link between Illuminati and Freemasons and the hatred of the Church to Masons? ---
**Author:** ![DocCathode](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/doccathode/32/18773_2.png) [@DocCathode](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DocCathode)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2013, 5:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ask-the-conspiracy-theorist/639012/429 "2013-01-18T05:11:38Z")
I have another question- Why Diocletian? Why not some other Roman emperor? ---
**Author:** ![Smeghead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f1d935/32.png) [@Smeghead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smeghead)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2013, 12:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ask-the-conspiracy-theorist/639012/430 "2013-01-18T12:16:24Z")
Kozmik - one of the many, many things you don’t seem to grasp is that we’re not really all that interested in WHAT you believe so much as we’re trying to get you to explain WHY you believe it. This you have rather spectacularly failed to even try to explain. Why do you think any of this makes sense? What was it that got this all into your head? What supporting evidence do you have for any of it? These are the questions that you seemingly cannot even wrap your head around. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2013, 12:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ask-the-conspiracy-theorist/639012/431 "2013-01-18T12:55:00Z")
> [@Kozmik](#): > > Quote: > “In order to settle ambassadorial protocol, in about 1504 A.D., Pope Julius II created a strict priority ordering among the Kings and Dukes of Catholic Europe.” > > Now that’s power. > > I can already anticipate the replies - “How could sovereigns agree to the ordering of who is more important and less important? What gives the Pope the authority to do that?” > > Supreme authority! > > I can anticipate further replies - “Supreme authority? What are you talking about? I thought you said that the Illuminati is the power behind the throne for the Pope? Now you’re saying that the Pope has/had all this power. Is the Pope the Anarch?” > > No! The Pope is not the Anarch. The Pope is a mere figurehead, a decoy for the Anarch, a pawn, as it were. The Pope did not posses that power; the Illuminati exercised their power through the Pope to the “rulers” of Europe. > > I’m sure that the rulers of Europe were all as confused as many of you all are now, when they were told that there would be a set order of precedence among them! > > So there is that family - the royal family, which includes Queen Elizabeth II, Albert II, Margrethe II, Beatrix, Harald V, Juan Carlos I, and Karl XVI Gustav. All related. All largely ceremonial. > > Here come more replies - “What’s the point of all this? So there are ceremonial kings and queens and they’re all related? So what?” > > The point is that before the modern heads of government, all of whom are theoretically equal, there were kings and queens and the Pope. Before the kings and queens and the Pope, there was the Roman Empire, the Roman Emperor. You forgot the most obvious objection: 13 years later Christendom was shattered by the actions of a [pissed-off monk](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_Luther). Who ordered _that_? How did the Reformation assist an organization that exerted its power through the authority of the Papacy? ---
**Author:** ![DrFidelius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/drfidelius/32/3447_2.png) [@DrFidelius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrFidelius)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2013, 1:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ask-the-conspiracy-theorist/639012/432 "2013-01-18T13:35:29Z")
The 1504 Papal order of precedence applied ONLY to ambassadors to the Vatican, and was rendered moot by the Reformation soon after. One list I find is: Holy Roman Emperor King of the Romans King of France King of Spain King of Aragon King of Portugal King of England King of Scotland King of Sicily King of Hungary King of Cyprus (held by Savoy) King of Bohemia King of Poland King of Denmark Republic of Venice Duke of Brittany Duke of Burgundy Count Palatine Elector of Saxony Margrave of Brandenburg Archduke of Austria Duke of Savoy Grand-Duke of Tuscany Duke of Milan Duke of Bavaria Duke of Lorraine other Italian princes Roman families of Colonna and Ursini Pope’s nephew Cities of Bologna and Ferrara (alternating) (Source: Jean Rousset de Missy: Cérémonial Diplomatique des Cours de l’Europe, 1739-45, which forms volumes 4 and 5 of the Supplement to Jean Dumont’s Corps Universel Diplomatique du Droit des Gens , Amsterdam, 1726-31; vol. 5, p. 201). ---
**Author:** ![DrFidelius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/drfidelius/32/3447_2.png) [@DrFidelius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrFidelius)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2013, 1:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ask-the-conspiracy-theorist/639012/433 "2013-01-18T13:41:46Z")
Apologies for the double post, but I took more than five minutes to collect further thoughts: Precedence among ambassadors is currently (mostly) determined by the length of time that a particular person has held the position in a given capital city. More senior ambassadors have precedence over newcomers, regardless of the “ranking” of the country they represent. International diplomacy is a fascinating topic if studied; apparently it is even more interesting if a person knows nothing about it and just makes things up as they read the paper. ---
**Author:** ![Loach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/loach/32/350_2.png) [@Loach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loach)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2013, 3:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ask-the-conspiracy-theorist/639012/434 "2013-01-18T15:23:36Z")
You are a silly man. You say back in the 1500s the pope is a decoy for the Anarch. However the term Anarch was invented in 1977 in a book you have not bothered to read. Yet somehow you have recently latched on to the term. Can you tell the Anarch to turn up his weather machine? It’s getting a little chilly. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2013, 3:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ask-the-conspiracy-theorist/639012/435 "2013-01-18T15:38:17Z")
> [@Smeghead](#): > > Why do you think any of this makes sense? What was it that got this all into your head? What supporting evidence do you have for any of it? These are the questions that you seemingly cannot even wrap your head around. Cue yet another random mention of the New York _Times_, possibly a link, and an explanation that doesn’t really explain anything. ---
**Author:** ![DrFidelius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/drfidelius/32/3447_2.png) [@DrFidelius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrFidelius)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2013, 6:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ask-the-conspiracy-theorist/639012/436 "2013-01-18T18:50:44Z")
> [@Loach](#): > > You are a silly man. You say back in the 1500s the pope is a decoy for the Anarch. However the term Anarch was invented in 1977 in a book you have not bothered to read. Yet somehow you have recently latched on to the term. > > Can you tell the Anarch to turn up his weather machine? It’s getting a little chilly. Oh come now. He’s using “Anarch” as a shorthand title for the Powerful Person Who Pulls All The Strings Of The World. I prefer “Illuminati Primus” myself, but we all know that an office, entity or thing can exist well before the current name for it was coined. You are being disingenuous. ---
**Author:** ![Loach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/loach/32/350_2.png) [@Loach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loach)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2013, 7:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ask-the-conspiracy-theorist/639012/437 "2013-01-18T19:57:42Z")
> [@DrFidelius](#): > > Oh come now. He’s using “Anarch” as a shorthand title for the Powerful Person Who Pulls All The Strings Of The World. I prefer “Illuminati Primus” myself, but we all know that an office, entity or thing can exist well before the current name for it was coined. > > You are being disingenuous. How so? He had several multi-page threads of his ramblings. In the middle of his latest one he all of a sudden pulls out a shiny new word and pretends its what he meant all along. I’m sure he found it on some random Internet search and decided to adopt it without ever looking into it. It’s a term from a 70s German fiction book. ---
**Author:** ![DrFidelius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/drfidelius/32/3447_2.png) [@DrFidelius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrFidelius)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2013, 8:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ask-the-conspiracy-theorist/639012/438 "2013-01-18T20:10:04Z")
> [@Loach](#): > > How so? He had several multi-page threads of his ramblings. In the middle of his latest one he all of a sudden pulls out a shiny new word and pretends its what he meant all along. I’m sure he found it on some random Internet search and decided to adopt it without ever looking into it. It’s a term from a 70s German fiction book. But ther are so many more fruitful avenues to pursue than nomenclature. I admit it is attractive, as his terminology is one of the only things that stays consistent for more than three posts, but I find highlighting his deliberate ignorance on international relations to be more profitable. Of course, YMMV, and nothing comes close to the level of the hurricane machine for demonstative madness. ---
**Author:** ![Loach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/loach/32/350_2.png) [@Loach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loach)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2013, 8:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ask-the-conspiracy-theorist/639012/439 "2013-01-18T20:14:46Z")
> [@DrFidelius](#): > > But ther are so many more fruitful avenues to pursue than nomenclature. I admit it is attractive, as his terminology is one of the only things that stays consistent for more than three posts, but I find highlighting his deliberate ignorance on international relations to be more profitable. > > Of course, YMMV, and nothing comes close to the level of the hurricane machine for demonstative madness. It’s not crazier but for some reason it annoys me more. ---
**Author:** ![DrFidelius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/drfidelius/32/3447_2.png) [@DrFidelius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrFidelius)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2013, 8:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ask-the-conspiracy-theorist/639012/440 "2013-01-18T20:20:20Z")
I do have to admire the conceit that a 500-year-old proclamation about which ambassadors will be announced first when visiting the Vatican can in any way validate his G-192 fantasy. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ask-the-conspiracy-theorist/639012.md?page=21) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ask-the-conspiracy-theorist/639012.md?page=23)