# Ask the conspiracy theorist **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [October 27, 2012, 5:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ask-the-conspiracy-theorist/639012 "2012-10-27T05:07:39Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 36
**Author:** ![Telemark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/telemark/32/372_2.png) [@Telemark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Telemark)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2013, 10:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ask-the-conspiracy-theorist/639012/701 "2013-02-28T22:21:11Z")
> [@Kozmik](#): > > Thank you for proving my point. You have no point. There is no Big Lie here. All you have is a Loony Rant. ---
**Author:** ![Kozmik](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/8dc957/32.png) [@Kozmik](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kozmik)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2013, 10:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ask-the-conspiracy-theorist/639012/702 "2013-02-28T22:26:56Z")
> [@Telemark](#): > > You have no point. There is no Big Lie here. All you have is a Loony Rant. Thanks again for proving another point. ---
**Author:** ![DocCathode](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/doccathode/32/18773_2.png) [@DocCathode](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DocCathode)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2013, 10:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ask-the-conspiracy-theorist/639012/703 "2013-02-28T22:34:42Z")
**Kozmik** Why is Queen Elizabeth informed of the Anarch’s identity and intentions? Why not another monarch? ---
**Author:** ![Kozmik](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/8dc957/32.png) [@Kozmik](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kozmik)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2013, 10:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ask-the-conspiracy-theorist/639012/704 "2013-02-28T22:37:32Z")
> [@DocCathode](#): > > **Kozmik** Why is Queen Elizabeth informed of the Anarch’s identity and intentions? Why not another monarch? Because Elizabeth II, unlike other monarchs, is monarch of more than one country. ---
**Author:** ![Telemark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/telemark/32/372_2.png) [@Telemark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Telemark)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2013, 10:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ask-the-conspiracy-theorist/639012/705 "2013-02-28T22:45:35Z")
> [@Kozmik](#): > > Thanks again for proving another point. They laughed at Copernicus! They laughed at Galileo! They laughed at Bozo the Clown! ---
**Author:** ![sisu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/df705f/32.png) [@sisu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sisu)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2013, 11:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ask-the-conspiracy-theorist/639012/706 "2013-02-28T23:43:19Z")
> [@Kozmik](#): > > Excellent question. You are getting to the crux of the matter. See that’s the “secret”. Elizabeth II is Queen of Australia, New Zealand, Canada, ect. The Prime Minister of Australia would go to the summit. At the summit each country’s representative will take their seat. Once seated, Elizabeth II will make her entrance. Presumably, all the representatives will know who she is. Elizabeth II will give an introduction for the Anarch and the Anarch will make an appearance. The Anarch will only be known to Elizabeth II. None of the representatives will know who the Anarch is. The Anarch will conduct the meeting. The Anarch and Elizabeth II will disappear. The representatives will report back to their country, their government. The Anarch will report back to his or her superiors. Elizabeth II will be the “inside man” who will be the liaison, after the summit, between the representatives of the summit, the Illuminati, and the media. The ultimate conspiracy. Well one flaw is that the Queen is only in power because the various parliaments allow her to. If the conspiracy is seen as bad by the PM then we can just ignore her. She is our monarch only by invitation. > [@iiandyiiii](#): > > How do you know all this? It sounds like a bad Dan Brown novel. There’s a good one? ---
**Author:** ![Kozmik](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/8dc957/32.png) [@Kozmik](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kozmik)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2013, 7:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ask-the-conspiracy-theorist/639012/707 "2013-03-01T07:11:48Z")
> [@sisu](#): > > Well one flaw is that the Queen is only in power because the various parliaments allow her to. If the conspiracy is seen as bad by the PM then we can just ignore her. She is our monarch only by invitation. Even if all the representatives who are PMs see the conspiracy as bad, those representatives would have to convince other representatives such as the King of Belgium, the Queen of Denmark, the Queen of the Netherlands, the King of Norway, the King of Spain, the King of Sweden, all of whom are related to Elizabeth II, not to mention the President of the United States who has a [special relationship](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special_Relationship) with the United Kingdom, also all the representatives who belong to NATO, and the Emperor of Japan who is a member of the Order of the Garter. You are also assuming that the conspiracy could (or would) be seen as bad by the representatives, or even that the conspiracy could be seen as a conspiracy. What would be discussed and debated during the summit will be the New World Order. The New World Order can be thought of as something like the Cold War and something like the War on Terror, yet, in a way, nothing like them at all. The Cold War, of course, involved the Space Race, NASA, DARPA, fundamental questions of societial organization, how to do things, the “Kitchen Debate”, who we are and where we are going. The War on Terror, on the surface, involved the Iraq War and the Afghanistan War. Obviously, the Afghanistan War has not ended yet and neither has the War on Terror, though, it is a question whether the War on Terror will end with the Afghanistan War or whether the War on Terror will continue after the Afghanistan War ends. We’ll see. Keep in mind that speculating on the New World Order during the War on Terror is like speculating on the War on Terror during the Cold War. ---
**Author:** ![DrFidelius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/drfidelius/32/3447_2.png) [@DrFidelius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrFidelius)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2013, 11:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ask-the-conspiracy-theorist/639012/708 "2013-03-01T11:02:20Z")
Feudalism! That’s what I’ve been trying to think of! A political system wherein power is directly conditional on personally pledged fealty to the person above you. Study some history; that is NOT how international politics has worked for a few hundred years. (I also notice that any conspiracy theory which involves the British royal family is inevitably Eurocentric and racist; as if the promulgators of these theories actually do not believe in the rest of the populations of the world.) ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2013, 12:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ask-the-conspiracy-theorist/639012/709 "2013-03-01T12:45:03Z")
Ok, I get it. It’s not Queen Elizabeth who introduces the Anarch, though- it’s the Rothschild family. Horse dog fiddle. ---
**Author:** ![Kozmik](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/8dc957/32.png) [@Kozmik](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kozmik)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2013, 3:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ask-the-conspiracy-theorist/639012/710 "2013-03-01T15:52:50Z")
> [@DrFidelius](#): > > Feudalism! That’s what I’ve been trying to think of! Wrong! I’m glad you are thinking though. > [@DrFidelius](#): > > (I also notice that any conspiracy theory which involves the British royal family is inevitably Eurocentric and racist; as if the promulgators of these theories actually do not believe in the rest of the populations of the world.) Actually, the conspirators do not believe in population as the rest of the world does. See: Georgia Guidestones > [@iiandyiiii](#): > > Ok, I get it. It’s not Queen Elizabeth who introduces the Anarch, though- it’s the Rothschild family. No, you don’t get it. As I wrote, Elizabeth II introduces the Anarch. And, no, the Anarch is not a member of the Rothschild family. ---
**Author:** ![Loach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/loach/32/350_2.png) [@Loach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loach)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2013, 4:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ask-the-conspiracy-theorist/639012/711 "2013-03-01T16:00:18Z")
> [@Kozmik](#): > > No, you don’t get it. As I wrote, Elizabeth II introduces the Anarch. And, no, the Anarch is not a member of the Rothschild family. How can you say he doesn’t get it? You are making up a scenerio that hasn’t happened. Or did you forget that already? ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2013, 4:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ask-the-conspiracy-theorist/639012/712 "2013-03-01T16:06:07Z")
> [@Loach](#): > > How can you say he doesn’t get it? You are making up a scenerio that hasn’t happened. Or did you forget that already? That’s the beauty of it… they haven’t _done_ anything! ---
**Author:** ![DrFidelius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/drfidelius/32/3447_2.png) [@DrFidelius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrFidelius)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2013, 4:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ask-the-conspiracy-theorist/639012/713 "2013-03-01T16:15:28Z")
Why would the Chinese (who have been enjoying the prosperity of the Communist dynasty for over sixty years now) or the Japanese (whose emperor is a direct descendent of the sun goddess herself) give a wet slap about whether the Queen of a bunch of big-nosed barbarians introduces someone? ---
**Author:** ![Ravenman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ravenman/32/2929_2.png) [@Ravenman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ravenman)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2013, 4:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ask-the-conspiracy-theorist/639012/714 "2013-03-01T16:24:41Z")
> [@Kozmik](#): > > Because Elizabeth II, unlike other monarchs, is monarch of more than one country. You’ve made some references to the Pope. While the Pope isn’t exactly a leader of more than one state, he does have a certain supra-national role that is fairly unique. To a much lesser extend, the Dalai Lama does, too. The Red Cross is probably the most widely accepted and esteemed international organization there is, and is present in probably every country on earth, and afforded unusual access in many places (e.g., the Red Cross makes visits to prisoners in Guantanamo). Might those, and similar, entities fo special international character also have knowledge of the Illuminati? And when you compare the New World Order to the Cold War and the War on Terrorism, you’re comparing it to two things that I think most people would not say were good things. How do we know that the New World Order isn’t a good thing? You know, like more Age of Aquarius or the Enlightenment? ---
**Author:** ![Loach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/loach/32/350_2.png) [@Loach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loach)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2013, 4:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ask-the-conspiracy-theorist/639012/715 "2013-03-01T16:42:04Z")
> [@VinylTurnip](#): > > That’s the beauty of it… they haven’t _done_ anything! Or have [they?](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electroplating) ---
**Author:** ![Kozmik](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/8dc957/32.png) [@Kozmik](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kozmik)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2013, 7:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ask-the-conspiracy-theorist/639012/716 "2013-03-01T19:11:40Z")
> [@Loach](#): > > How can you say he doesn’t get it? Because he was thinking that the Rothschild family has something to do with the Illuminati. It doesn’t. > [@DrFidelius](#): > > Why would the Chinese (who have been enjoying the prosperity of the Communist dynasty for over sixty years now) or the Japanese (whose emperor is a direct descendent of the sun goddess herself) give a wet slap about whether the Queen of a bunch of big-nosed barbarians introduces someone? Because, for one thing, the Emperor of Japan is on good terms with Elizabeth II. He is a member of the Order of the Garter. > [@Ravenman](#): > > You’ve made some references to the Pope. While the Pope isn’t exactly a leader of more than one state, he does have a certain supra-national role that is fairly unique. To a much lesser extend, the Dalai Lama does, too. The Red Cross is probably the most widely accepted and esteemed international organization there is, and is present in probably every country on earth, and afforded unusual access in many places (e.g., the Red Cross makes visits to prisoners in Guantanamo). Might those, and similar, entities fo special international character also have knowledge of the Illuminati? Yes. All these are comparatively recent. They may all have direct or indirect knowledge of the Illuminati. Think more ancient. Think Egypt. > [@Ravenman](#): > > And when you compare the New World Order to the Cold War and the War on Terrorism, you’re comparing it to two things that I think most people would not say were good things. How do we know that the New World Order isn’t a good thing? We don’t. Any entity that is above the world’s governments would likewise be above such concepts as good and evil. Their vantage point, their perspective would be fundamentally different. Think of how the perspective of the lowly worker - their paycheck - is different than the perspective of the CEO - the profit. Now think of how the perspective of the common CEO - the profit - is different than the perspective of the elite Illuminati - _beyond_ national goals. It’s like the assumption that ETs would be benevolent. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2013, 7:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ask-the-conspiracy-theorist/639012/717 "2013-03-01T19:25:48Z")
> [@Kozmik](#): > > Because he was thinking that the Rothschild family has something to do with the Illuminati. It doesn’t. How do you know? It fits the facts just as well as your hypothesis. ---
**Author:** ![Kozmik](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/8dc957/32.png) [@Kozmik](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kozmik)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2013, 7:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ask-the-conspiracy-theorist/639012/718 "2013-03-01T19:34:20Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > How do you know? It fits the facts just as well as your hypothesis. My hypothesis is that the Illuminati are ancient, elite, and unknown. The Rothschild family is obviously well-known. ---
**Author:** ![Smeghead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f1d935/32.png) [@Smeghead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smeghead)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2013, 7:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ask-the-conspiracy-theorist/639012/719 "2013-03-01T19:42:17Z")
> [@Kozmik](#): > > My hypothesis is that the Illuminati are ancient, elite, and unknown. Like Queen Elizabeth II. > [@](#): > > The Rothschild family is obviously well-known. Unlike Queen Elizabeth II. ---
**Author:** ![ralph124c](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/8797f3/32.png) [@ralph124c](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ralph124c)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2013, 7:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ask-the-conspiracy-theorist/639012/720 "2013-03-01T19:42:46Z")
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