Ask The Former Prisoner

I’ve been avoiding this thread. I knew it would rip me apart. My brother stole a car when he was 18 and did 22 months in a state prison and about 8 months in county and being extradited.

We visited him every weekend. We wrote letters, we talked on the phone. We didn’t say anything when he put his no-account friends on his visitation list. All those good buddies who helped him get into prison weren’t much interested in visiting him while he was there.

He has never talked about anything he couldn’t joke about. I know he grinds his teeth severely in his sleep to to this day and has horrid nightmares. Just from the stories he has told, I can imagine the ones he won’t.

For those reading this thread. I want to tell you that my brother never lied once he got out. He tried for months to get ANY job. He literally wore the soles off his shoes. He was a nice looking, well spoken, nicely dressed white guy (a red head too!). No one would give him a chance. The days he came home broken hearted, worn out and discouraged were too many to mention. One day, he came home, told us he was going to start lying because he wanted to take care of himself and stop living off us. The phone rang. He got offered a job at a seedy, nasty hotel as their night clerk.

He has been a head chef at several restaraunts, owned his own for a while and has cooked for a former President and swapped recipes with Rosalyn Carter.

He is a very proud father of 5 children, 3 not of his blood, was given custody of his 11 year old sister. Owns his own home which he is renovating under the historic preservation guidelines. And is not yet allowed to vote.

I don’t know your particular horrors Fifty-six but if they are any like what my brother has experienced in the 21 years he has been a felon. Please stay strong. There are people out there, and in here who are rooting for you.

Feel pity for your parents, I sure do. They have no idea what a strong human being you are. I have a tiny, itsy bitsy little idea. They seriously do not know what they are missing.

For those out there, when you read “convicted felon” be aware that it isn’t always as bad as it sounds. I have a friend that is a convicted felon for stealing a cell phone. He has lost his right to vote (at least in this state) over a cell phone.

Give a felon a chance.

Hear, hear!

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[li]What are the most common crimes people are incarcerated for?[/li][li]Did you witness any child molesters or other sex offenders get treated extra badly, such as the cases mentioned in this thread?[/li][li]How common are suicide attempts by inmates? How often are suicide attempts successful How are suicides prevented?[/li][li]How much information do you have with what’s happening on the outside? I know that many prisoners have access to newspapers and TV, so I’m sure you would be informed of what is going on in the local community, around the nation and around the world. Are you aware of current pop culture trends (movies, music, games) even if you don’t have access to them? What about technological developments? Is it possible that a guy who went into prison 25 years ago be surprised to learn that, upon returning to the free world, that we’ve long since moved on from using DOS on our computers?[/li][li]What was the most nerve-wracking part of your trial? Did the ongoing testimonies, presentation of evidence, and the constant litigation between the defense and the prosecution wear you down? How confident were you about getting a not guilty verdict before it was delivered?[/li][li]In city jails do they treat murder suspects and other hard-core criminals the same as they do with people who are thrown in jail for comparatively minor offenses such as DUIs, battery, etc.? That is, are felony suspects placed in more secure cells than those who are in on misdemeanor charges?[/li][li]How do you sleep at night? Do they turn the lights out? Do most prisoners keep quiet? How do you deal with snorers in your cell or in adjacent cells? As I am a loud snorer, I know I would not do well with other prisoners because of this.[/li][li]What kinds of makeshift weapons have you seen people make or use? Did you ever try making and/or using such weapons yourself?[/li][li]Do white-collar criminals mesh well with the hardened criminals who are in for murder, rape, and other heinous crimes, or are they targeted as being weak and more vulnerable?[/li][li]Does anyone brag about his crimes? If a person doesn’t talk about what he did, do you assume he’s a child molester or someone who knows he’s going to get the shit beat out of him if anyone knows what he is in for?[/li][li]Overall, how clean is the prison environment? I know that prisoners shower, but do you often find yourself dealing with other prisoners’ body odor and other forms of funk? I imagine there are plenty of guys who just don’t give a shit if they stink and offend everyone around them.[/li][li]What was it like to realize that just about every little thing you had taken for granted was taken away from you upon entering prison? For me, even the simple little everyday things like being able to go to the refrigerator for a drink or a snack whenever I feel like it, would be missed.[/li][li]If a highly recalcitrant inmate keeps screwing up and causing trouble for everyone (short of committing murder), can he eventually rack up enough extra time to have a life sentence? How are problem inmates usually dealt with?[/li][li]How does a jail cell differ from a prison cell? From the inside of one, is there any difference?[/li][li]Even though you probably have no intentions of actually doing it, do you ever entertain fantasies of going after the detectives and other police force personnel, the judge, the prosecutor and anyone else who had a role in getting you in prison?[/li][li]Does being in prison make you hateful of everyone? Does it make you less trusting of the people around you? What other behavioral or personality changes did being in prison did you undergo?[/li][li]How will you tell your children about your past once you feel they are old enough to know the truth about their daddy? How old do you think they should be to know this information, or should they even know at all?[/li][li]How do you adjust to doing things like using the toilet with no privacy? I’m sure after awhile you get used to it and nobody really cares, but at first it must be a difficult adjustment. Also, how do you deal with the urge to masturbate?[/li][/ul]

Oh, and here are some more fun facts about the number 56.

Thanks for the post. There seems to be many common threads between some of us that have gotten out lives back together.

My teeth don’t grind anymore they are a bit to smooth at this point. My family is use to it but I often say horrible things in my sleep. It baffles my wife and her friends and my daughter. I am considered such a nice guy but a night I will say horrendous things directed at no one apparently. Just loud moaning/yelling cursing. I do not usually recall the dreams but I have woken myself up form it before.

That’s a mighty understanding wife you got there.
:smiley:

*** What are the most common crimes people are incarcerated for?**

     Drugs are way common. Fighting of some sort is probably close behind. DWI

*** Did you witness any child molesters or other sex offenders get treated
extra badly, such as the cases mentioned in this thread?**

     No. They are usually in protective custody. Same with former cops  
     and whoever may need it.

*** How common are suicide attempts by inmates? How often are suiide
attempts successful How are suicides prevented?**

    I am not a professional but it seems that people that may potentially commit               
    suicide are not particularity effective at hiding their warning signs. Guards
    are trained to spot this type of activity/behavior. They will take away razors, 
    shoe laces, excessive loose clothing, pens, pencils, basically everything while 
    they are on watch.

** * How much information do you have with what’s happening on the outside?
I know that many prisoners have access to newspapers and TV, so I’m sure
you would be informed of what is going on in the local community, around the
nation and around the world. Are you aware of current pop culture trends
(movies, music, games) even if you don’t have access to them? What about
technological developments? Is it possible that a guy who went into prison
25 years ago be surprised to learn that, upon returning to the free world, that
we’ve long since moved on from using DOS on our computers?**

    Papers, TV, guards, school to some extent in some prisons. Just remember 
    the prisoners are not watching CNN usually. Some things really do get past 
    you. I never really did a multi-year stretch but here is an example. I was in for
    over a year. I got my first chance to see a movie. I went to some cheep 
    theater and asked for a ticket for the next movie starting. It was for 
    Pulp Fiction. I never saw a trailer, did not know who QT was, didnt realize the
    effect and popularity of the movie. Boy was i in for a surprise.

** * What was the most nerve-wracking part of your trial? Did the ongoing
testimonies, presentation of evidence, and the constant litigation between
the defense and the prosecution wear you down? How confident were you
about getting a not guilty verdict before it was delivered?**

     Trial, what? Almost no one goes to trial

*** In city jails do they treat murder suspects and other hard-core criminals the
same as they do with people who are thrown in jail for comparatively minor
offenses such as DUIs, battery, etc.? That is, are felony suspects placed in
more secure cells than those who are in on misdemeanor charges?**

     Not in any city jail I have ever been to. I was locked up with one other   
     person for about a week in a city jail that was on California's death row for a 
     long time. He got out because out because of the repeal of the death 
     penalty. He was going back in for another serious crime. They may try to 
     separate but city jails are small.

** * How do you sleep at night? Do they turn the lights out? Do most prisoners
keep quiet? How do you deal with snorers in your cell or in adjacent cells? As I
am a loud snorer, I know I would not do well with other prisoners because of
this.**

   It is loud in most jails all the time. Snoring is nothing. Lights stay on.

*** What kinds of makeshift weapons have you seen people make or use? Did
you ever try making and/or using such weapons yourself?**

     I never used a weapon. I have had them. Really there are just stabbing 
     weapons. Made out of anything. Apparantly some have made Zip Guns bit I 
     have never seen one.

** * Do white-collar criminals mesh well with the hardened criminals who are in
for murder, rape, and other heinous crimes, or are they targeted as being
weak and more vulnerable?**

   There are special places for them. Country clubs. Cookie farms. They really got 
   it easy. I could spend the rest of my life in a place like that. But remember 
   some businessmen are hard core and could fair well in any prison anywhere. 

*** Does anyone brag about his crimes? If a person doesn’t talk about what he
did, do you assume he’s a child molester or someone who knows he’s going
to get the shit beat out of him if anyone knows what he is in for?**

     Can't hide what you are in for. No way. If someone does not say you just ask
     a guard. They give everyone up. Hell yea people brag about their crimes.

*** Overall, how clean is the prison environment? I know that prisoners shower,
but do you often find yourself dealing with other prisoners’ body odor and
other forms of funk? I imagine there are plenty of guys who just don’t give a
shit if they stink and offend everyone around them.**

   Actually it is fairly clean. Smelling bad will get your ass whipped hard core. I 
   have seen severall forced showers. 

** * What was it like to realize that just about every little thing you had taken for
granted was taken away from you upon entering prison? For me, even the
simple little everyday things like being able to go to the refrigerator for a drink
or a snack whenever I feel like it, would be missed.**

    You enter a whole new society. Those things are replaced with adaptation to
    the new environment. If possession of items is important to you you can
   accumulate things and food in jail.

*** If a highly recalcitrant inmate keeps screwing up and causing trouble for everyone (short of committing murder), can he eventually rack up enough extra time to have a life sentence? How are problem inmates usually dealt with?**

Yes. You can still get charged and sentenced with just about every crime while in jail. They are segregated and put in solitary confinement. This usually stops additional crimes and they will finish their sentence.

*** How does a jail cell differ from a prison cell? From the inside of one, is there any difference?**

Yes. A normal city jail cell is small and you don’t leave it for any reason usually. Hold just a couple people each. County Jail is much larger and you may goto church or some have cafeterias other the food is brought to you. There is usually a rec yard as well. Prison you could possibly only be in your sell just for sleeping if you are in general population. Prisons are huge with often thousands of inmates. The inmates do all the maintenance and upkeep Guards just watch and do administrative tasks.

*** Even though you probably have no intentions of actually doing it, do you ever entertain fantasies of going after the detectives and other police force personnel, the judge, the prosecutor and anyone else who had a role in getting you in prison?**

Never. Not even in fantasy. I have had fantasies of certain crimes before. Just not on the judicial system or law enforcement.

*** Does being in prison make you hateful of everyone? Does it make you less trusting of the people around you? What other behavioral or personality changes did being in prison did you undergo?**

No I am not hateful of people. I trust most people. I can spot bullshit and a lie better than most anyone I know though.

*** How will you tell your children about your past once you feel they are old enough to know the truth about their daddy? How old do you think they should be to know this information, or should they even know at all?**

My daughter already knows what she can absorb. I will tell her as she asks or as her ability to understand everything. Knowledge is not to be held back form my children. She is cautious about it though and feels she will hurt my feelings asking. She often asks mom.

*** How do you adjust to doing things like using the toilet with no privacy? I’m sure after awhile you get used to it and nobody really cares, but at first it must be a difficult adjustment. Also, how do you deal with the urge to masturbate?**

Yes it is kinda hard at first. Just as strange or more is getting out and having complete privacy. Just do it.

My brother was picked up on his wedding anniversary, being told he had some sort of outstanding warrant in WA. He was held in the local jail and it took a couple days before his wife could even get him his heart medications. They wouldn’t let anyone visit, saying he was going to be moved out soon and he’d have to straighten it out in WA. Finally, after a week, they released him saying there wasn’t a warrant. We don’t have a common name, so it wasn’t like a same name differant guy thing. How often do these sorts of things happen?

StG

The question about folks bragging reminds me of a story my brother told. It seems years ago, Geraldo Rivera did a special where he was trying to pose as a drug dealer. When the deal was going down, one guy said “Hey, You look like Geraldo Rivera!” It blew his cover. My brother was in jail with that guy. They had the video in the library and would watch it often. The guy was a star in that prison.

I’ll agree with **Fifty-six **on the fact there are plenty of white collar folks I’d much less prefer to be locked up with than many blue collar folks. Fortunately, one of the more seedy people I’ve worked for died a tragic death in a small plane crash. (I took the newspaper clipping to my new boss and said “Not a good idea to fire me, Boss!” On the upside, the new boss had me write out my own termination letter 3 years later when the company was sold, so technically, he got to live. :))

I just wanted to chime in with a heartfelt thanks to fifty-six for your honesty and candor on a subject that most of us hope to know very little about, firsthand.

I recently watched a documentary entitled After Innocence, about some folks who’d been exonerated after spending sometimes decades in prison or, one guy, after 23 years on death row. The idea of prison is horrifying enough, but I can’t even begin to contemplate what it must be like for those normal, average folks going about their business who are accused, arrested, and convicted of a crime they didn’t commit, and the thought that even with a 99% success rate, that leaves thousands of innocent folks in the system.

Did you ever know anyone in prison who claimed innocence in a believable way?

Oh, and another thought about the documentary: one thing that struck me as really incredible was the point that parolees have support systems in terms of job placement, access to housing or half-way homes, education and so on. The exonerees, on the other hand, were given $5 cash, put on the bus with a “sorry about that, have a nice life” and sent on their way. After spending the last 23 years in solitary confinement on death row, how is anyone expected to just… walk back into a normal existence?

There were discussions over a campaign for state-funded restitutions to exonerated prisoners, but one prosecutor’s point was this: they didn’t make a mistake, the justice system worked exactly as intended. That some folks are convicted for crimes they didn’t commit is just sort of collateral damage. The state owes them nothing. What do you think about that?

Okay, one more.
Do you have any thoughts on what percentage of inmates really want to be a part of a “normal” society? It sounds like many of them want things handed to them on a plate–the guy who committed armed robbery to get back into prison because life was so much better there comes to mind–and dragging themselves up by their fingernails the way you’ve described is way less attractive than stealing what you want or living life behind bars.

The reason I ask is because I think a lot about the utility of providing free state-funded education to ex-inmates. You want your GED? Great! Want some more education? Here’s a scholarship to a community college. That not enough? Go to a state school or university.

I hear the in-prison programs for reintegrating folks are poor, at best, and I wonder how many parolees would take the offer and do something useful with it.

It is so hard to tell really. I have done a couple months or something I didn’t do. This is not on par with long timers though. If you ever listen to This American Life there is an awesome episode about a man in http://www.thislife.org/Radio_Episode.aspx?episode=282 for a long time for a crime he did not commit. I found it amazing. Well all of their shows are amazing really. Search prison on their site for some great insight.

Many people just don’t deserve to be in there. innocent or not. I am not claiming I never deserved any of my time. I was crazy. I deserved some sort of punishment I am sure of that. All of it, in the way it was dished out, housed in gladiator tanks, humiliated ad abused? I don’t really know.


As for many questions regarding prison reform and what to do with addicts and minor criminals. Productive work/school/treatment camps I suppose. Learn skills get smart, get clean. Come out better than you went it and pay for it by making/designing/producing good marketable products/services to sell. Hell I don’t know. What I do know it that our current system needs great improvement.

I have no idea how many want to be a part of normal society. Deep inside probably all of them. But with all the cards stack against them it is hard and many have no hope left to try. I don’t know were I got my strength and hope. And do not know how I never brain damaged my self with all the gas I huffed and the drugs I shot up and snorted. Do us that made it through have something different inside? Do the others have it but are to scared or lazy? I don’t know. I do know I was never given and handouts by the state. Maye I can get some I don’t know. Maybe I will try. Some college would be great about now.

I think some people ran out of hope of a normal life before they went to prison in the first place. That took away hope of hope.

Would you say that drug users who aren’t hardcore addicts–say, people who just smoke weed, or who do a pretty good job of limiting themselves on the harder stuff–eventually turn into addicts if they stay in long enough? Do drug users have to do degrading things to get their drugs? Do some people opt out? Also, how likely is it that someone who doesn’t use drugs will go into prison on a non-drug-related charge and walk out as an addict?

No I would say most people do not turn to addicts. Probably the same ratio of drinkers that turn to alcoholics.

Some drugs are very dangerous and I do not think that most people chose to have an addiction While the odds are you wont get addicted there is a chance you may. And then you get to discover what you will do to feed it. And the problems and issues it brings along.

Weed is just like beer IMHO.

As you may have noticed I have never mentioned weed as an abused substance in my life. While I used it almost every day for many many years. I never really considered harmful. It has gotten me in trouble before and it effects me in a way. I did quit it when I quit everything else. I prefer the clearer mind. I need all the help I can get.

Some people have to kill for their addictions some have to tap into a vast bank accounts, some have to sell or steal. Whatever. Some just get the drugs for free.

Even though there are drugs in prison I doubt a non-user would end up going through the hassle and expense to start and then feed an addiction. Drugs are signicantly more expensive in prison.

I meant once they go into prison, not outside. I know plenty about drugs and addiction out here, trust me. :smiley: All of my other questions related specifically to life on the inside, too.

Interesting. Can you give an example? And now that you mentioned alcohol: can you generally get it in prison? Is it drinkable? Stronger? Weaker?

First of all, I just wanted to be another voice chiming in to thank fifty-six, this is the best thread I have read in years.

Let “Steve, Don’t Eat It!” fight your ignorance.

Man, fifty-six, again, thank you for your honesty here. And congratulations on your new life and success.

This is a small thing in the scope of it, but, I’ve never understood the law that says felons are banned from voting. It seems to me that if someone has paid their dues, and rejoins society, they should be allowed the same voting rights (and pride in that), as anyone else. Any light shed on that?

And, an aside shout out to DrainBead: I’m impressed with you for taking your smarts and serving in such a good manner as a lawyer. Kudos!

Yes, thanks, Fifty-Six. A highly enlightening and interesting thread.

I’m still curious about the more mild-mannered prisoners. Obviously, they do survive. How do they manage to get through their sentence? I’m not all that mild-mannered myself, but I think I would fold if I ever went to prison.

Whether or not it’s the intent of the law, one effect of the law is that people who are convicted of felonies have no power to help make those things (say, drugs) legal. If it is the intent, it’s a classic totalitarian maneuver: redefine the uppity folks with objectional political ideas into a group that has no political power.

Cite: Felony Disenfranchisement Laws (Map) | American Civil Liberties Union

The process is called having your civil rights restored. I’m operating from memory on this but you can check the ACLU’s website regarding the specific states and whatnot.

Basically, all but approximately 11 states have automatic processes in place to allow felons to regain their civil rights be it after a time period has passed with a clean record or after serving time. The vast majority of the 11 states are southern states. The statutes preventing restoration of civil rights came about during the time of “Jim Crow Laws.” and are perceived as being a way to disenfranchise blacks. The processes for restoration are so complex or unlikely as to deter felons from going through the hoops. I think one year our Governor restored 7 peoples rights. You would be correct in guessing those 7 were political in nature. The likelihood of your average joe felon being able to get that kind of attention are slim to none.

The ACLU began a class action lawsuit against those states arguing that they needed to be repealed.

My brother had not had his civil rights restored, was unable to vote in any elections and yet the same state gave him custody of our sister, she was 11 at the time. Not good enough to vote, but hey, raise kids for us!

If your states are one of the ones the ACLU is fighting, please support the cause. The last thing a felon who is trying to make good needs is to be told he has no say in his government. Government/taxation without representation is kinda against the American Way.