Ask the guy who lost 200 pounds in 9 months

Well, I definitely hit a wall with my current strategy. At the end of April I was down 57 pounds. I decided to take a couple weeks off in May to get it out of my system which ended up turning into almost a month.

Within days of the transition either direction, there’s a considerable amount of water loss/gain - carbs cause the kidneys to retain a lot more water. So within a few days I’d gained 12 pounds from the water weight, and I ended up gaining another 5 throughout the rest of the month, for 17 total. At the end of May, I went back, and that 12 pounds of water weight came off in a few days (literally I pissed 5-10x as much as usual over a 2 day period) but it took the rest of june to get the other 5 off back to where I started.

Since then, I only lost an additional 5 pounds over 2 months, which is discouraging. I haven’t changed my diet significantly and I haven’t changed my excercise load (which is quite small). I wonder if I’m stuck due to the lack of excercise. My diet hasn’t changed much - I’m pretty much down to one big meal a day with 1000-1500 calories and one snack. That isn’t a deliberate choice to watch calories - it’s just that without excercise one meal tends to meet any hunger needs I have. Back when I did it 12 years ago, I excercised far more and was hungry far more and ate far more calories. I may be snacking on almonds too frequently, they’re pretty calorie dense.

In any case, excercising as little as I have been has been a clear mistake. Even though I’ve lost 65 pounds, I don’t feel like I’m in much better shape. I’m lighter, but I’m not any stronger, and my cardiovascular system isn’t really any better - it takes more to exert myself (simply because I’m not hauling around as much weight), but I become winded just as easily as I used to.

So I kind of wasted 9 months of dieting - yeah, I lost 65 pounds, but I could’ve lost 100 and been in much better shape had I worked out regularly. Ah well. I guess I’ll have to start.

For the moment, though, I’m going on a trip for about a month and it would be too much hassle to continue the diet, so I’ll start when I get back.

Yes, people do treat you differently when you are thinner.

When I was fat, I was invisible. When I lost weight, guys suddenly started smiling at me and opening doors. I got a promotion on my job. Women either became much friendlier or turned into outright witches. The changes can really mess with your head if you’re not prepared. It sounds like you’ve examined how this affected you before. Have you developed strategies for how you will deal with the emotional changes? Maybe you should consider checking out some weight loss support web sites. If you’ve always been “the fat one” in the family or at the office, some people may feel threatened by you changing the status quo. Some of my friends who were overweight stopped speaking to me. You’ll have to be strong, SenorBeef.

The statistics regarding people who lose large amounts of weight AND KEEP IT OFF for a significant amount of time without surgical intervention are pretty dismal. Even with the amount of regain you had, what you’ve accomplished is nothing short of phenomenal. I’m sitting here laughing at you kicking yourself for only losing 65 pounds. Dude, that’s amazing.

I’m currently in maintenance phase, eating primarily low carb. This is what works for me. It keeps my hunger on a more even keel. I’m not super rigid with it though. I give myself permission to have occasional treats.

This point is crucial – Whatever you do to lose weight, you have to keep doing it consistently to keep the weight off long term. You know your personality, preferences and your body better than anybody. Stop dieting. Diets don’t work in the long term. They set you up for regain. Diets put you into a mindset of feast or famine – at least that’s what happened to me. Choose something that you can incorporate into your everyday life without it being painful or difficult to keep it up.

I applaud you, SenorBeef, and wish you the very best. :slight_smile:

So about 7 cans of soda a day could mean the difference betwen 380 lbs and 200 lbs.. Not an impossible amount of soda. I knew a woman who brought in a 2-liter bottle of coke to work and would polish it off in a day–that’s over 5 cans. Two more at home and she’d be at the 7 can number. She was a good 100 lbs overweight.

Yes, people absolutely can drink themselves overweight.

A Big Gulp cup of soda has about 600 calories.
A milkshake can have over 900.
One shot of liquor has 100.

congratulations, Senior Beef, whatever works for you!

and that fact right there is why I chose surgery. :slight_smile:

Thanks for the follow up SB.

Once again, the plateau, or wall if you want, is hit by most before you hit it. Your past experience was remarkable but repeating it was a bit much to expect. You keep beating yourself up when you have done amazing things just because of the sigma outlier experience you had in the past. Get over it. You wanted to lose 50 and then see from there. You’ve done more than that goal; now is part 2 - to see from there.

I’ve read some interesting speculations regarding the plateau … some of it may be that body is so stressed out from caloric restriction that stress hormones get all effed up and cause water retention even while fat loss continues … and a lot is likely from the body defending itself from going too far from where it believes it should be, altering your resting metabolism and causing you to move around less during the day. The set point concept.

To the degree that the latter is the cause the only way past is adding some consistent exercise which seems to get the brain convinced that a lower BMI is okay after all. The former often resolves after a short period of less severe restriction (the paradoxical drop of the scale after a long period of consistent dieting and exercise while on a plateau with a day or two of relaxing it a little, followed by a sudden drop of 5 to 10 pounds in just 1 to 2 weeks).

So yeah, exercise more. Even if the scale goes up as you put on some muscle mass. You’ll feel better, probably lose more fat mass even if not more weight, and be healthier (even though long term health was not your main concern).

What is your exercise plan going be, at least to start?

I didn’t see this question so I apoligize if it’s been answered. Did you have a problem with loose skin after losing the weight and if so, what did you do about it?

Now that I’m older I don’t really care anymore. It’s not that I’ve made peace with it so much that I’ve lived with it for a long time.

When I was 17-18 and still very much figuring the world out, it had really deeply bothered me that all that time, my entire life up to that point, most people had just casually treated me like total shit for such a superficial reason. It wasn’t about who I was or what I did, or even just the fact that people treated everyone like shit - but everyone shit on me simply due to the fat thing. So being treated like a real live human being after that was such a stark contrast that it was just crushing. All the anguish and shittiness that had defined my life up to that point was determined by something so ultimately minor in the grand scheme of things.

I still feel that way, and it sucks, but it’s just something that I accept now, so I don’t need to make any special effort for it, nor will it suddenly bother me anymore than it has.

It doesn’t feel like much. My level of fitness hasn’t changed dramatically. I can stay on my feet longer, that’s about it. I’ve spent roughly the same amount of time (9 months) now as I did before, but don’t feel as if I have even 1/10th of the results in terms of fitness. Definitely doesn’t feel like anything to get excited about.

I agree with the notion, I just don’t know if I can bother to care to put the effort in. I don’t think it’s something I can do indefinitely, so I’ll have to come up with some sort of alternative. But so far the results have been uninspiring. I don’t care if I look better, I don’t really feel that much better. That probably means I should take more drastic action to increase my fitness levels so I at least feel some benefit.

Well, thanks.

No, it wasn’t a problem when I was younger, my skin seemed to adjust well to it. I can’t really even tell if it’s a problem now - I’m still fat, so there’s plenty to fill up the skin. It’s definitely going to be rougher than when I was younger though, you can see hints of stretch marks.

Update of sorts.

Like I was saying, I wasn’t too happy with the progress I’d made because I felt like crap anyway. I was always sore like I’d been doing tons of excercise even when I hadn’t been - and more than sore, feeling like muscles were damaged. I felt just generally tired and crappy. When I went off diet 2 weeks ago and started eating carbs again, I just felt even worse.

So anyway, I came to Cleveland to visit friends and family, and suddenly I feel like a completely different person. The pain and soreness is gone, my energy levels are way up, I just feel better across the board. Like… instantly, within a few hours of landing. I’ve done a lot of physical activity over the last few days and felt great - today it’s catching up to me a bit but that’s probably on account of the pitchers of margaritas more than the excercise.

So, yeah, I don’t know what to make of that. Was the desert environment just killing my body? Something toxic in my apartment back in Vegas? Depression being alleviated somewhat? I really don’t know. I’m dreading the possibility that when I go back I’ll feel like shit again.

So it would seem that the weight loss did me more good than I thought, and something else was keeping me from feeling physically good.

Could you possibly have been overtraining? That’s just an idea I’m throwing out there, mind you.

No, because I really wasn’t doing much excercise before. I just felt too crappy to bother most of the time. The soreness I felt wasn’t linked to any particular activity - I had days where I might’ve been on my feet a half hour total and yet everything between my knees and lower back felt like I had walked 10 miles that day.

Hm. In that case, my non-expert and non-professional opinion is that yeah, maybe it’s psychological, if it cleared up when you were back with friends and family and you’re not entirely happy in your current location. Which kinda sucks, because exercise is supposed to help with depression.

Anyway, I hope the positive effects from your trip stick with you.

Ha ha, now you’re not only overweight, you’re OLD too!

:wink:

All kidding aside, that’s great that you’re sticking with it. I don’t know how you seem to manage a full time job, working out and 12 hours of videogaming in a single day. You’re my hero.

I’m back to eating a whole shitload. I thought maybe getting in the habit of not eating very often would stick, but I’m back to being hungry all the time. And from there it’s just an itch that needs to be scratched. Without the blood sugar rushes and crashes, I can get away with eating once or twice a day. Back on carbs I’m hungry all day long.

bad carbs screw with most of us. well, all of us if “us” is people who have trouble losing weight or maintaining a loss or not regaining.

listen, if you every have any interest in weight loss surgery - not saying you should, I said IF - keep a couple things in mind:

the two best known surgeries - gastric banding and bypass - are not the only options. I had a VSG and I know people who have had a DS.
http://www.dsfacts.com/

these can be good options, but there is a lot to learn.

and if you felt that much better going to, where was it? Ohio? - you should probably move there. life is too short to spend it feeling bad!

I run into the same problem with weight loss. I lost about 50 pounds in college, kept it off for a couple of years and then got disillusioned with the cultural attitudes about obesity, so felt no incentive to keep it off. Avoiding being on the bad side of a destructive social prejudice isn’t enough motivation for me. But I do have some health issues that could be improved with weight loss, so I will probably try again.

I can’t do low carbing because I know from personal experience I gain way more weight than I lost in the first place. I don’t know why I’m affected that way, but it isn’t worth the risk unless I want to end up 400+ pounds. To each his own, which sucks because when I would do low carb I wouldn’t have hunger and could lose weight pretty effortlessly.

According to this study on low carb and diabetes, even allowing 20% of calories to come from carbs helps control blood sugar levels. For a 3,000 calorie diet that is 150 grams of carbs a day. So for health aspects keeping carbs down to 0-20 grams may not be totally necessary if blood sugar is a motive for doing this.

As far as getting fit, I have noticed high intensity interval exercise is far more effective than regular aerobics for improving cardiovascular fitness.

Seven months ago. (And really not meant as an “I told you so.”)

You hit your original target (which was reasonable). *Don’t give up *just because you got to the harder part: figuring out and sticking with a sustainable plan for the long haul. It isn’t like you didn’t know it would be coming.

SB, buy Starting Strength, do the program, and be a strong motherfucker. You’ll feel great.

Wow! I have been trying to lose about 200 pounds myself for a while now and I’m 18. I do well for a little bit but don’t see results and give up. This advice will really help me because I know now that my goal isn’t unreachable anymore simply because you have done it successfully. Even though you gained SOME back it is in no way a failure on any level so don’t ever think that. you have done what I can only hope I’ll ever be able to do and inspired me to really stop complaining take responsibility no more excuses and just do it. I don’t really have a question just wanted to Say a personal thank you for motivating me to change my life. It ie greatly appreciated and I wish you the best of luck and have no doubt that you can and will do exactly what you set out to do. :slight_smile:

I ended up rereading this thread, and thought perhaps I’d give an update if anyone was interested. But first I want to thank Dseid for all of the good information and cites. I came off as more adversarial towards some of the medical advice than I meant to sound. He or she is certainly the expert, I’m only relaying personal experience and anecdotal advice.

So anyway, not much good to report since I last posted until recently. I ended up staying back home for 3 months. During the time I didn’t low carb - I was too busy going out to eat at restaurants with friends, enjoying the stuff I’d missed (entirely too much ice cream), and too much fast food on account of always out doing stuff.

And I developed a very nasty injury towards the end, plantar fasciitis/bone spur (apparently I have an atypical case for either, but the problem lied in that sort of thing) kept me off my feet. It’s a very limiting condition - it’s very painful to be on your feet - and I’ve been unable to shake it. It was really bad for about 3 months, and since then it’s just been nagging and painful but not too restrictive. I allowed that to end up putting an end to my excercise. I also didn’t immediately switch back to low carb when I got home, instead lazying my way to another month off. So about 4 months in total.

The results are predictable. This isn’t necesarily a harbinger of the future - like I said, I was eating out, eating fast food, eating for pleasure a whole lot more than I would typically - but I was 283 when I left in August, and about 315 when I started again in December. Some of that is water weight - about 7-10 pounds will come on or off within a few days when you switch from high carb to low carb.

So anyway, I’ve been spending time since then getting down. I’m back down to about 297, which is… well, crappy. My behavior and progress was unacceptable - I’ve wasted too much time wavering on this. I’m the same weight now as I was in may of last year, which means I wasted 10 months.

But, on the plus side. I described nagging feelings of pain and leg injuries/soreness that I had all through last year before I left for Ohio. Those aren’t affecting me nearly as much as they did then. I still have no explanation for them. The plantar fasciitis kept me from excercising pretty much at all until recently. I could’ve, and should’ve, worked around it. I could’ve swam for instance, even though a barefoot or slightly padded walk around the gym and pool would’ve been enough to put me in a lot of foot pain, it would’ve been managable.

But really, I just didn’t have my heart fully in it. I missed out on chances to excercise. I took a few breaks to indulge in cravings which stunted progress.

Recently I’ve been getting some physical therapy for the foot, and things are looking up. I’ve been excercising more lately, mostly swimming, and I don’t feel nearly as crappy as when I did it a year ago. I’m not quite sure why it’s changed, but it became something that actually seemed somewhat pleasant and satisfying instead of painful and draining, so it has been a lot easier to do. I hope it keeps up.

In any case, it made me realize how I’ve been wasting my time. I should’ve made 100 pounds of progress by now, instead I’m back to 50. Which, I suppose, by most standards, isn’t a waste, but I don’t feel good about it.

But I’m going to throw my whole heart into it now, increase the intensity, not deviate with any breaks from the diet. I’m still committed to that 80 pounds I said I’d lose. My goal is to do that before June. We’ll see what happens from there.

Oh, and I was incorrect about my medical predictions. Or one, at least. My cholesterol hasn’t improved, and in fact, since I stopped taking statins (near when I started the diet) it went up. What’s interesting is that when I did this all at 17, my cholesterol improved dramatically, into the better than ideal range (I forget the exact numbers, but my HDL to LDL ratio was unusually high), but now I’m at 203 total with 30 HDL (which is very low). My diet actually has less saturated fat and cholesterol now than it did then, so either that means that my body has changed in the years since then, or the excercise was a much bigger factor in the cholesterol levels than the diet was.

My other labwork has improved, though. My triglicerides went from in the 200s to in the 90s, my blood pressure has gone down from ~130/85 to ~115/75, my A1C hemoglobin went from 6.1 to 5.0. I forget the other specific numbers but everything has stayed the same or improved.

My health problems have lessened somewhat. I have very limited access to medical care, so nothing definitive there, but the feeling that I’m at a rather immediate risk for sudden death is less frequent.

So anyway, I’m committed to working much harder to killing the last 30 of my goal, and generally improving my strength and fitness. I don’t know what I’m going to do after that, let’s see how this goes.