# Ask the Left-Wing Alt-Right Prick **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [September 26, 2017, 11:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ask-the-left-wing-alt-right-prick/797383 "2017-09-26T23:59:10Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Robot\_Arm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/robot_arm/32/18280_2.png) [@Robot\_Arm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Robot_Arm)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2017, 4:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ask-the-left-wing-alt-right-prick/797383/21 "2017-09-27T04:42:10Z")
> [@snfaulkner](#): > > He’s being deominzed for being a douche, not because he’s a white male. Perhaps, but it seems to me that the accusations of douchiness are based on assumptions about the OP’s beliefs at least as much on what he’s actually saying. > [@splatterpunk](#): > > No, you don’t believe that. At all. I’m not inside the OP’s head. I can’t tell you what he really believes or doesn’t. There’s plenty about the OP’s words to debate. I just think this thread is a lot more interesting, productive, and fair if we don’t start with the assumption that the OP is arguing in bad faith. ---
**Author:** ![splatterpunk](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/3be4f8/32.png) [@splatterpunk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/splatterpunk)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2017, 5:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ask-the-left-wing-alt-right-prick/797383/22 "2017-09-27T05:10:45Z")
> [@Robot\_Arm](#): > > I’m not inside the OP’s head. I can’t tell you what he really believes or doesn’t. There’s plenty about the OP’s words to debate. I just think this thread is a lot more interesting, productive, and fair if we don’t start with the assumption that the OP is arguing in bad faith. There is no way possible this thread will ever be “interesting” or “productive.” ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2017, 5:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ask-the-left-wing-alt-right-prick/797383/23 "2017-09-27T05:29:10Z")
All you trolls who don’t like the thread have the simple and easy option of not participating. So Zeke you are a far left alt right person? That’s cool. Now it also highlights the stupidity and inadequacy of trying to map complex human politics onto a single line. What makes you consider yourself far left? ---
**Author:** ![Trafalgar\_Laura](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/trafalgar_laura/32/2907_2.png) [@Trafalgar\_Laura](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trafalgar_Laura)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2017, 6:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ask-the-left-wing-alt-right-prick/797383/24 "2017-09-27T06:06:21Z")
> [@Zeke\_N.Destroi](#): > > Strangely queers don’t like or accept trans. How odd. We don’t? I must have missed that meeting. ---
**Author:** ![raventhief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/raventhief/32/4_2.png) [@raventhief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/raventhief)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2017, 6:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ask-the-left-wing-alt-right-prick/797383/25 "2017-09-27T06:54:21Z")
> [@Trafalgar\_Laura](#): > > We don’t? I must have missed that meeting. And no newsletter was sent. How strange. All the “queers” i know are accepting of trans. My question: how do you reconcile the statements " words don’t matter; get over it" and" I’m offended by the word cisgender!" ---
**Author:** ![Go\_Arachnid\_Laser\_1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/b2d939/32.png) [@Go\_Arachnid\_Laser\_1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Go_Arachnid_Laser_1)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2017, 7:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ask-the-left-wing-alt-right-prick/797383/26 "2017-09-27T07:18:41Z")
> [@Zeke\_N.Destroi](#): > > As it stands, I could identify as pygmy and people would have to accept that and address me as such despite me being near 6 foot tall and white as foolscap. Wanting to be something does not mean you are that thing. Technically speaking, “pygmy” is a term given to certain ethnicities all over the world who are relatively short _on average_- This means that there are tall “pygmyes”, that there are non black “pygmyes” and that the term “pygmy” isn’t really a scientific thing that can be qualified- Maybe you meant “midget” but feared it would sound politically incorrect? And, quite frankly, if you want to declare yourself a midget, fight for short people rights, hang around with midgets… fine with me. More power to you. Why would that be a problem for anybody? ---
**Author:** ![CairoCarol](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cairocarol/32/3825_2.png) [@CairoCarol](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CairoCarol)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2017, 7:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ask-the-left-wing-alt-right-prick/797383/27 "2017-09-27T07:38:12Z")
> [@Robot\_Arm](#): > > The OP is catching an awful lot of heat for someone who’s not being demonized. He described himself as a prick and told us to fire at him. How is taking him at his word demonizing him? ---
**Author:** ![Novelty\_Bobble](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/a3d4f5/32.png) [@Novelty\_Bobble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Novelty_Bobble)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2017, 8:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ask-the-left-wing-alt-right-prick/797383/28 "2017-09-27T08:37:40Z")
Clearly the OP has (by his own admission and by his own design) hit a lot of nerves here. And sure enough plenty of people have responded in such a way as to prove his point. God forbid if you veer one-jot from the accepted dogma. I disagree with points that he makes and agree with others and I am without doubt left-leaning. I think I could argue the toss on several of their points and ultimately disagree and at the same time still accept that they are basically a good person with the best of intentions. Beliefs are not the same as actions, many religious people hold views that I consider offensive and objectionable and yet I still can accept that they are good people in practice. I’m far less bothered by what someone _thinks_ than by what they actually _do_. Judging by the actual actions given as example I think I’d stand a far better chance of fair and equal treatment by the OP than by many of those responding. I also get the impression that on matters that are open to scientific and empirical evidence that they would change their mind, I think that is admirable. ---
**Author:** ![Robot\_Arm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/robot_arm/32/18280_2.png) [@Robot\_Arm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Robot_Arm)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2017, 8:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ask-the-left-wing-alt-right-prick/797383/29 "2017-09-27T08:44:28Z")
> [@CairoCarol](#): > > How is taking him at his word demonizing him? How is “No, you don’t believe that. At all.” taking him at his word? ---
**Author:** ![Quartz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quartz/32/267_2.png) [@Quartz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quartz)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2017, 9:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ask-the-left-wing-alt-right-prick/797383/30 "2017-09-27T09:17:40Z")
> [@Zeke\_N.Destroi](#): > > Here are some starting points: Well said. Boring, but needed to be said. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2017, 9:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ask-the-left-wing-alt-right-prick/797383/31 "2017-09-27T09:52:05Z")
> [@Zeke\_N.Destroi](#): > > No, and it is ridiculous that you would ask this question. Or, yes, and it is ridiculous that you would ask this question. > > Equality means equality. That does not mean that everyone is reduced to the lowest bar, but rather everyone is held at the highest - reasonable - bar. Would white people (since that is implicit in your question) be subject to the same Jim Crow laws? Then yes. > > But since that would be lunacy. Not because white people ought to be exempt but because then every community would decide who they wanted and who they didn’t. From there you get enclaves where white can discriminate against blacks, gays can discriminate against Hispanics, Hispanics can discriminate against midgets etc. > > Equality means that everyone treats everyone based on their behaviour and actions not something as superficial as race, sex, gender, religion etc. Failure to recognize and respect a person’s basic humanity is vile. Failure to act accordingly is vile. Sounds good to me. Glad to hear this. > [@](#): > > Really? When someone speaks of the patriarchy its evils who are they talking about? White males. When someone speaks of “the man” who are they speaking of? White males. Who is seen to be the source of all problems? White males. > > Certainly white males have done a bunch of horrendous shit, but any group, given power has always done horrendous shit. It’s nothing to do with race or gender it is to do with being human. > > Who has passed all of the laws that advanced civil rights? White males. Who has built the hospitals and schools and done most of the shit that has brought us (for good and evil) to the point that we are now? White males. > > Does this mean that white males are beyond reproach? No. Does it mean that we should get a pass? No. Does it mean that perhaps we should be seen as the sum rather than parts? Yes. I don’t think this is generally accurate, except for on the extreme fringe of the left. The patriarchy doesn’t refer to “white males” – it’s a system that tends to advantage men, and infantilize women, at least in many or most scenarios. “The man”? That’s also referring to a system, one that tends to advantage white people at the expense of people of color (and especially black people). The source of all problems? Ridiculous hyperbole. Black people and other non-white people were absolutely integral for the achievements related to Civil Rights in America, and certainly were essential (and in many cases performed most of the physical labor) in building schools, hospitals, and many other institutions in our society. It’s as ridiculous to claim that “white males” as a massive group are responsible for this good stuff as it is to blame them for the bad stuff. > [@](#): > > For context this is a response to me saying that I believe that “racial slurs” are fine if you take context and intent into consideration and that I feel it is a mistake to give words more power than the thought behind them. And that it is lazy to focus on the word rather than the intent. > > Of course it is obnoxious. But it is equally obnoxious to hear black people saying nigger this and nigger that and my nigger and so on. If the word is offensive then it is offensive. Period. If the word must be stricken then strike it. But to suggest that for a black person to use that word is fine but for any white person to use it is racist is in fact… racist. > > You say that non-racist people can use it out of laziness or ignorance, Cool - so what good does it do to label the non-racist slackard or idiot racist simply for using it? > > If a lazy ignoramus says, “We gotta be fair to niggers, they’ve had it hard.” And he/she immediately gets screamed down as a racist, a bigot or whatever else all that happens is that person feels vilified. Why? Because of a word - despite the content of the statement. It’s not equally obnoxious IMO – there are different dialects of English, and a word that’s a slur in one dialect may not be a slur when pronounced differently in another. As for your lazy ignoramus, he should be criticized as a lazy ignoramus. If someone calls him a racist because he used a racial slur for no reason whatsoever, then maybe that’s the kind of sharp lesson he needs to actually not be such a lazy ignoramus. Or he can be defensive and play the victim, which is generally the lazy ignoramus’s preferred strategy. > [@](#): > > This is to do with self-identification. > > Sexual orientation is easy. In the end it comes down to what do you want to fuck. > > I am a heterosexual male. I know this because I am sexually attracted to women and I have a penis. During my adolescence I wasn’t sure and there were a couple of guys that I thought I was sexually attracted to. So I tried it with them. > > I couldn’t get past fondling. Not because I thought it was gross, I thought it was boring. I wasn’t into it. At that age if a woman brushed my shoulder I was hard for a week. > > And, to head off the question, yes I believe bisexuality exists - I sort of wish I was bi - but all that means is that it is a spectrum. I happen to fall firmly on the straight side, others fall firmly on the gay side, others are somewhere in between. > > But that doesn’t mean any of us are special or deserving of recognition. It means that regardless of who you want to fuck you ought to have the same rights and obligations as everyone else. > > As far as gender identity goes. I believe that there are most certainly some people whose body doesn’t match their brain. But I think that since it has become a cause celebre it seems to be much more common - more so than would be accounted for by the “now I can come out” factor. > > Will science back me up? Some will, but I doubt it would be accepted here. Will science refute me? Some will and it will be embraced here. > > But the fact is the science is still brand new. And remember that science didn’t accept germ theory until a hundred odd years ago. Science, contrary to what many people here would like to believe, is not god. It is flawed and fallible -especially in it’s nascence. > > The notion that you can one day declare that you are green when you are demonstrably grey and I have to abide by that is dumb. It is an insult to the green. > > You can’t “self-identify.” You are what you are. That simple. > > As it stands, I could identify as pygmy and people would have to accept that and address me as such despite me being near 6 foot tall and white as foolscap. Wanting to be something does not mean you are that thing. > > Again - I absolutely accept that there are people whose bodies and brains don’t match. But I don’t think it is as common as it has recently become and I think that the whole issue receives far more coverage than it warrants. > > Strangely queers don’t like or accept trans. How odd. Okay. I see no reason to trust your feelings on the prevalence of transgenderism – why would I? You’ve presented nothing but feelings on it. Trusting the science and experts and actual trans people seems far wiser to me. As for self-identification of things not related to gender, you can call yourself anything you want, but that’s not the same as self-identification as gender. If you really, truly feel yourself to be a pygmy, that’s fine with me… but I’ve heard from large groups of people, backed by science, that say their gender doesn’t match their biological sex. There’s no such comparable group for pygmies – _maybe because that sort of self-identification doesn’t exist_. If a big group comes, backed by science, then maybe I’d consider taking it seriously. > [@](#): > > See, I reject the very idea of “cisgender.” In fact I object to cisgender. I’m not cisgender. I am male. That’s it. My wife is female, that’s it. The gender you are born to is the default. There is no need for a special label. > > People whose brains don’t match their body need a label (oh fuck am I gonna take heat for that one.) They need a label because they need to identify (not BE identified.) If you have a box but feel you should have had a dick you need to be able to describe your situation. That’s reasonable. > > But I was born with a unit and I feel sure that I was meant to have one (though some of my past partners may disagree) so male will do. How hard is that? I sure as fuck wasn’t born cisgendered - I had that one forced on me within the last couple of decades. Nothing was forced on you, any more than learning that your Y Chromosome is along the H1 line (or whatever). You don’t have to claim this if you don’t want to, but scientists and other professionals are still going to talk about the H1 line of Y Chromosomes whether you like it or not, and that’s okay with me. > [@](#): > > And by what basis do you suggest that truly trans people aren’t exceeding rare? I trust the science and trans people – why wouldn’t I? Even if there are a few hangers on who aren’t being honest, what do I lose by taking their word for it? It costs me nothing to treat people how they’d like to be treated, including using the preferred pronouns and names and such. > [@](#): > > I consider this to be needlessly snarky and rude - and which is worse - beneath you. I don’t agree with your general outlook but I’m not sure I’ve ever mocked you for having it. It’s not intended to be snarky or rude or mocking. Cisgender is a useful term in discussing transgender issues. You don’t like it, and that’s fine, so I won’t use it for you. But I’m not going to stop using the term because one person doesn’t like it, any more than I’d stop using “blonde” because a single blonde person said that the term is offensive to them. I would no longer call them blonde, but unless some great mass of blonde people tells me that “blonde” is now a slur, I’ll continue to use that word. > [@](#): > > Because it reduces the problem of police brutality to a few cases that are media friendly. Do blacks get fucked by the cops more than whites (I’m Canadian so here it isn’t blacks as much as Indians - but they don’t matter right?) Yes! > > Yes Police are much more likely to arrest and behave violently toward minorities than whites. Unless those whites are poor. Poor whites are much less likely to be shot for no good reason but beatings are not uncommon. > > How many blacks have been deported based on skin colour alone? > > How many blacks have enjoyed the benefits of civil asset forfeiture? > > See, the determining factor - more often than not - is money. How many rich black people have the cops gunned down? > > The over-authoritarian nature of the police affects all races it just hits them differently. Are black folks more likely to get shot to shit for no good reason? 100% yes. > > But this is a board of math folks. How many incidences of police interaction with black people result in unlawful shooting (too many I grant) versus how many interactions between the police and black people over all? > > The number is vanishingly small. This is not to minimize the atrocity that is killing a black person simply because you will likely get away with it. It is to provide perspective. > > It is not open season on African-Americans. > > One is too many but this is not a genocide. Somewhere between one and genocide lies what’s actually happening, and somewhere between doing nothing and open violent revolution is the correct response. IMO, BLM and allied organizations are an appropriate response – they don’t vilify all cops, but rather challenges law enforcement to improve their processes and culture and similar. > [@](#): > > Sorry man, if you can’t see the idiocy of refusing to allow former enemies to declare that they were wrong and march in support of you then I’m afraid I can’t comment either. I just don’t know what you’re talking about, which is why I’m not commenting on this. > [@](#): > > This in response to me blaming Trump on the neo-left. > > I likely should not have said that. > > What I meant is that the neo-left has started to define the left and if you aren’t in lock step with the new left then you don’t count. > > I grant that I’m not immersed in American politics but whatever you guys do filters down to us and I will give you a real world example. > > In Manitoba (my province) we recently had a leadership vote fore the NDP (in American terms an far, far left party) I was contacted by an NDP rep who wanted me to join up to support a guy named Wab Kinew - a 30 something aboriginal man. > > I supported Steve Ashton a 60 something white man. > > When I was asked why I supported him I said, “because he is old-school NDP. He has fought for social justice for 3 decades. He has fought for workers rights, aboriginal rights, women’s rights and the fundamental principals of the NDP.” > > I was told, “Yeah… but he’s an old white guy so he’s irrelevant.” > > Wab Kinew is a spouse abuser who made his name in a rap band whose lyrics are violent, misogynistic and racist (against white people.) > > My grandfather was a longtime member of the CCF before it became the NDP. He was a commercial fisherman that got to the point that he could hire people and he did - Indians mainly. He did so over the objections of my grandmother. He did so in a time and place that Indians couldn’t get hired mostly. > > He was an old white guy. > > My father spent 40 years involved in the labour movement at the local college. He fought for student rights, better and fairer access for foreign students, aboriginal students, lower tuition fees and academic freedom. He was a longtime member of the NDP (30 or 40 years.) > > He’s an old white guy. > > There has not been a demonstration in my city that I have not joined in. I spent a quarter of my life in the labour movement fighting for protections for workers, fighting against the company taking advantage of people’s language barriers, trying to get a serial sexual harasser fired, safety in the plant (which benefits especially those who don’t read English well enough to read and understand their rights. > > I’ve marched in each pride parade as have my children. > > I’m soon to be “an old white guy” > > But the new left says that people like me don’t count - racist wife beater who are young and not-white do. This sounds like some mostly-fantasy fringe (and a few real-world idiots), not the left in general. Tons of old white guys are in the left, and they aren’t demonized. You count. And now others are starting to count as well. For some reason, counting others strikes some (some white males, usually) as discounting them – but don’t worry, you aren’t being left behind. You just aren’t being catered to as much any more. ---
**Author:** ![CairoCarol](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cairocarol/32/3825_2.png) [@CairoCarol](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CairoCarol)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2017, 9:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ask-the-left-wing-alt-right-prick/797383/32 "2017-09-27T09:52:42Z")
> [@Robot\_Arm](#): > > How is “No, you don’t believe that. At all.” taking him at his word? That’s one remark out of all the “flak” he’s getting. And it is certainly consistent with his request to be fired at. ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2017, 10:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ask-the-left-wing-alt-right-prick/797383/33 "2017-09-27T10:34:33Z")
> [@Zeke\_N.Destroi](#): > > … > 4) I believe that words have the power that you give them … > > 1. I am a heterosexual male. I am not cisgendered and I take offense to the term. … Congratulations? ---
**Author:** ![Steophan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steophan/32/9595_2.png) [@Steophan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steophan)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2017, 11:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ask-the-left-wing-alt-right-prick/797383/34 "2017-09-27T11:59:46Z")
> [@Zeke\_N.Destroi](#): > > So, despite being just slightly right of west a lot of my views seem to be alt-right. > > Ask me whatever you want - if you want. > > Here are some starting points: > > 1. I think everyone should be treated equally regardless sex, race, religion, sexuality etc. I don’t think that belonging to any particular group makes you special or deserving of extra attention or protections. Yep. The idea of having specific groups requiring extra protection is a good starting point, but at some point - and hopefully soon - that needs to be ended and everyone needs to be treated equally. That means, for example, shops either sell cakes or they don’t, and if they sell custom ones they put on it whatever is ordered, whether that’s a celebration of a gay wedding or a fucking swastika. > [@](#): > > 1. I think that white males are being unfairly demonized. Most of us have fuck all to do with how the world works. RICH white males do, but most of us ain’t rich. Demonizing us based on skin colour is racist and counter productive. Definitely. Hearing or reading “you can’t be racist against white people”, for example, is a daily thing. > [@](#): > > 1. You can not “identify” yourself as something and magically become it. Otherwise I could declare myself a pygmy and all and sundry must accept that and embrace it. True, but irrelevant to how it’s used in the real world. People identify as male, female, non-binary or whatever because that’s what they are, the identification is not the cause. You have that backwards. > [@](#): > > 1. Truly transgendered people certainly do exist but they are exceeding rare and they are currently getting more attention than is warranted. I’ll take the views of doctors and scientists on this issue rather than that of random internet people. > [@](#): > > 1. I am a heterosexual male. I am not cisgendered and I take offense to the term. I have the right to refuse cisgendered. That’s just factually false, based on your description. You are, as a matter of scientific fact, cisgender. You have the right to refuse “male”, or “human” as well, and people should pay as much attention to that as refusing “cisgender”. > [@](#): > > 1. All lives matter. Cops should not be shooting blacks on sight and blacks are certainly more prone to fatal police brutality - but a fuck of a lot of Hispanics, Indians, Whites, Asians are subjected to it too. Blacks gets shot - multiple times - the rest of us get beaten / jailed / fucked over trumped up shit. What group suffers most from civil asset forfeiture? Yep. Even if BLM wasn’t a front for violent revolutionaries such as antifa, and a cover fro looting and other crimes, it would still be an unnecessary and divisive movement. > [@](#): > > 1. It is the height of stupidity that pride parades are disallowing cops. The cops used to regularly beat, rape, arrest queers and now they want to show solidarity - but they can’t. Not because the queers don’t trust their sincerity but because it might piss off the overlap between gay and black lives matter. Yeah, this is pretty disgusting. Pride succeeded where the likes of BLM can’t by being inclusive - see the ever expanded intitialisms from LGBTQ etc. If they start being divisive, that progress (less progress than has been made with racial rights, it’s still legal to discriminate against gays and trans people) will slow or even reverse. Which would be a disaster for the one main minority that is still subject to legal discrimination. > [@](#): > > 1. I am not alt-right I am hard left and the neo-left has co-opted the idea of social justice to focus on a few (often fringe) areas to the detriment of the goals of the left in general. We can blame Trump on the neo-left. Balls. You are not even slightly (socially) left wing, and you appear to be an unrepentant transphobe. You may be economically left, but combining that with your centre-right social views just makes you wrong on both counts. ---
**Author:** ![Hamlet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hamlet/32/2818_2.png) [@Hamlet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hamlet)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2017, 12:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ask-the-left-wing-alt-right-prick/797383/35 "2017-09-27T12:17:01Z")
Two questions for the OP: Why do you feel the need for attention by posting your positions about almost exclusively identity politics? Do you feel left out or left behind somehow by people of races or sexual identities/orientations different from yours expressing theirselves or being paid attention to in the media? ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Bravo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_bravo/32/493_2.png) [@Johnny\_Bravo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Bravo)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2017, 12:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ask-the-left-wing-alt-right-prick/797383/36 "2017-09-27T12:28:43Z")
This isn’t the [first time](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=789688) Zeke has made a thread about the failings of the left while also making sure we know he’s liberal. Some other gems are [What Is So Special About the Holocaust](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=791629) and [I Don’t Get and Am Sick of Trans-Stuff.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=801118) ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2017, 12:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ask-the-left-wing-alt-right-prick/797383/37 "2017-09-27T12:38:08Z")
I too am curious about the motivation that drives someone to post a long monotonous harangue and beg strangers for commentary. ---
**Author:** ![guizot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guizot/32/3636_2.png) [@guizot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/guizot)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2017, 12:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ask-the-left-wing-alt-right-prick/797383/38 "2017-09-27T12:52:13Z")
> [@Hamlet](#): > > Two questions for the OP: > > Why do you feel the need for attention … This question could be posed to ANY “ask the” thread. ---
**Author:** ![Eonwe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eonwe/32/240_2.png) [@Eonwe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Eonwe)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2017, 12:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ask-the-left-wing-alt-right-prick/797383/39 "2017-09-27T12:59:17Z")
I think this OP needs some interpretation for clarity: > [@Zeke\_N.Destroi](#): > > 1. I think everyone should be treated equally regardless sex, race, religion, sexuality etc. I don’t think that belonging to any particular group makes you special or deserving of extra attention or protections. 1. I think blacks and queers and women and trannies are obviously getting treated better in this country than straight white men, and I want that to stop. > [@Zeke\_N.Destroi](#): > > 1. I believe that any person can use any word and it is context that determines intent. George Carlin (for example) used the word nigger a bunch and I defy anyone to suggest he was even an iota racist. It is not the word but the thought behind it. 1. I want to be able to call a nigger a nigger when I see one. I mean, a white commedian even wrote a bit about it 30 years ago! > [@Zeke\_N.Destroi](#): > > 1. I believe that words have the power that you give them and selecting a few as verboten is just a lazy-assed way of virtue signalling. If you believe that a mere sound has actual power then you are a fool. 1. If you’re offended by words, you’re stupider than me. There is no such thing as insults or derogatory language; it’s all in your mind, man! And, if you pretend to actually care about this sort of thing, you’re probably just putting on a show about it to make yourself look good in front of the neo-librul chicks. > [@Zeke\_N.Destroi](#): > > 1. You can not “identify” yourself as something and magically become it. Otherwise I could declare myself a pygmy and all and sundry must accept that and embrace it. 1. Gay is fake. Trans is fake. There’s a real problem in this country with gay and trans people just pretending to be trans, maybe in order to end up on top of the social/economic ladder (see point #1). Saying you’re trans is just like saying you’re a horse. A lie. > [@Zeke\_N.Destroi](#): > > 1. Truly transgendered people certainly do exist but they are exceeding rare and they are currently getting more attention than is warranted. 1. Well, ok, maybe there are some trans people, but most of the so-called trannies are faking it. > [@Zeke\_N.Destroi](#): > > 1. I am a heterosexual male. I am not cisgendered and I take offense to the term. I have the right to refuse cisgendered. 1. (This one is particularly ironic given point #4). Having a vocabulary word that explicity identifies a person as having a gender that corresponds with their sex as identified/decided at birth is offensive. That should be “you know, just a normal man.” And when we’re talking about gender differences, all those fake trannies and intersex people should just be called “fake men.” Or something. It doesn’t really matter, and they shouldn’t get offended anyway (point #4). > [@Zeke\_N.Destroi](#): > > 1. All lives matter. Cops should not be shooting blacks on sight and blacks are certainly more prone to fatal police brutality - but a fuck of a lot of Hispanics, Indians, Whites, Asians are subjected to it too. Blacks gets shot - multiple times - the rest of us get beaten / jailed / fucked over trumped up shit. What group suffers most from civil asset forfeiture? 1. Niggers get too much special treatment. And when they start complaining about how they are getting shot and beat up and jailed by the government in massively disproportionate numbers, I think it’s important to remind those niggers that they should shut up and start thinking about all those other people who suffer too. > [@Zeke\_N.Destroi](#): > > 1. It is the height of stupidity that pride parades are disallowing cops. The cops used to regularly beat, rape, arrest queers and now they want to show solidarity - but they can’t. Not because the queers don’t trust their sincerity but because it might piss off the overlap between gay and black lives matter. 1. Fags need to man up and stop caving to the demands of crazy-eyed niggers. > [@Zeke\_N.Destroi](#): > > 1. I am not alt-right I am hard left and the neo-left has co-opted the idea of social justice to focus on a few (often fringe) areas to the detriment of the goals of the left in general. We can blame Trump on the neo-left. 1. But hey, I’m a leftist. Though, I guess I’m only “left” as long as nothing upsets my sense of normalcy, and I’m allowed to call anyone anything I want, and all those niggers who are upset that I call them niggers just sit down and shut up. . . . sorry dude. As long as I’ve been alive (~40 years), the left has stood as the party of social change supported by government programs. If you’ve got a problem with the fact that the country is turning its eye towards historically underserved and/or actively oppressed demographics and is concerned with helping them for a hot second, you’re maybe not as left as you think you are. (Also while there may be one or two philosophical discussions to be had burried in your OP, the combination of points in toto and your simplistic way of expressing them makes those discussions obviously unwelcome) ---
**Author:** ![Strinka](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/strinka/32/512_2.png) [@Strinka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Strinka)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2017, 2:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ask-the-left-wing-alt-right-prick/797383/40 "2017-09-27T14:05:31Z")
> [@Zeke\_N.Destroi](#): > > See, I reject the very idea of “cisgender.” In fact I object to cisgender. I’m not cisgender. I am male. That’s it. My wife is female, that’s it. The gender you are born to is the default. There is no need for a special label. > > People whose brains don’t match their body need a label (oh fuck am I gonna take heat for that one.) They need a label because they need to identify (not BE identified.) If you have a box but feel you should have had a dick you need to be able to describe your situation. That’s reasonable. > > But I was born with a unit and I feel sure that I was meant to have one (though some of my past partners may disagree) so male will do. How hard is that? I sure as fuck wasn’t born cisgendered - I had that one forced on me within the last couple of decades. Why do you object to “cisgendered” but not “heterosexual”? The context and history of both is nearly identical. It used to be, everyone was simply assumed to be heterosexual, so there was no need for a special word it. Then it became apparent that some people were different, so they got a special word to describe them. Then a word was coined to describe the people that were not homosexual. And that word was constructed by simply taking the opposite of the prefix. Homo -\> Hetero. It used to be, everyone was simply assumed to be cisgendered, so there was no need for a special word for it. Then it became apparent that some people were different, so they got a special word to describe them. Then a word was coined to describe the people that were not transgendered. And that word was constructed by simply taking the opposite of the prefix. Trans -\> Cis Why is it so offensive that people should want a word for “not transgendered”? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ask-the-left-wing-alt-right-prick/797383.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ask-the-left-wing-alt-right-prick/797383.md?page=3)