# Ask the (Not So) Amateur Porn Director **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [August 8, 2012, 12:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ask-the-not-so-amateur-porn-director/630805 "2012-08-08T00:14:13Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 13
**Author:** ![gaffa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e68b1a/32.png) [@gaffa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gaffa)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2012, 10:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ask-the-not-so-amateur-porn-director/630805/241 "2012-08-10T22:10:06Z")
> [@MikeSouth](#): > > Id say the only ones that weren’t completely set up was the old “Ugly George” stuff he really pioneered that genre. He was a despicable human being BTW, meet him many times…a real prick. He pretty much pre-dated home video, shooting on a huge Sony Umatic system. ---
**Author:** ![YogSothoth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/8edcca/32.png) [@YogSothoth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/YogSothoth)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2012, 10:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ask-the-not-so-amateur-porn-director/630805/242 "2012-08-10T22:22:58Z")
How many porn companies do you know has the word “sugar” in their name? ---
**Author:** ![enomaj](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/59ef9b/32.png) [@enomaj](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enomaj)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2012, 5:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ask-the-not-so-amateur-porn-director/630805/243 "2012-08-11T05:51:06Z")
BangBus is real, right? ---
**Author:** ![yohan\_go](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/yohan_go/32/3620_2.png) [@yohan\_go](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/yohan_go)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2012, 10:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ask-the-not-so-amateur-porn-director/630805/244 "2012-08-11T10:01:11Z")
> [@](#): > > When you have 12 naked guys in a room together you wouldn’t believe how civilly and respectfully they behave, I could use a bukkake to solve the issues in the middle east to be sure. You are genuinely funny guy. I just tried to visually imagine that and felt of the chair. Ze question. Very nerdy one. Specs of hardware, software and traffic on your site? ---
**Author:** ![MikeSouth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ea666f/32.png) [@MikeSouth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MikeSouth)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2012, 12:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ask-the-not-so-amateur-porn-director/630805/245 "2012-08-13T00:26:07Z")
> [@YogSosoth](#): > > How many porn companies do you know has the word “sugar” in their name? Actually only one sugardvd ---
**Author:** ![MikeSouth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ea666f/32.png) [@MikeSouth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MikeSouth)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2012, 12:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ask-the-not-so-amateur-porn-director/630805/246 "2012-08-13T00:27:09Z")
> [@enomaj](#): > > BangBus is real, right? LOL ya right ---
**Author:** ![MikeSouth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ea666f/32.png) [@MikeSouth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MikeSouth)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2012, 12:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ask-the-not-so-amateur-porn-director/630805/247 "2012-08-13T00:31:56Z")
> [@yohan\_go](#): > > You are genuinely funny guy. I just tried to visually imagine that and felt of the chair. > > Ze question. Very nerdy one. Specs of hardware, software and traffic on your site? dual Xeon server, 8GB RAM, 1TB RAID10, 15TB premium bandwidth/month, dual NIC cards, runs CentOS with a few added but standard products like PHP and MYSQL, lttpd yada yada its very capable as for traffic well alexa has me in the top 90K sites world wide and the top 21K in the US for what thats worth (for the record alexa means little to me the important thing is the bottom line…😉 ) ---
**Author:** ![Simple\_Linctus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Simple\_Linctus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Simple_Linctus)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2012, 6:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ask-the-not-so-amateur-porn-director/630805/248 "2012-08-13T18:31:56Z")
Why are there not many genuine videos of girls losing their virginity on camera? I would have thought it was something there would be demand for. (and if you really wanted to make it pay, then you could by letting site members enter a raffle to be the one to take the girl’s cherry. Bring you wheelbarrows of cash, that would.) ---
**Author:** ![FoieGrasIsEvil](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/foiegrasisevil/32/16638_2.png) [@FoieGrasIsEvil](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FoieGrasIsEvil)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2012, 6:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ask-the-not-so-amateur-porn-director/630805/249 "2012-08-13T18:44:25Z")
> [@MikeSouth](#): > > The term “amateur” is ambiguous I say “not so” because Im really not an amateur BUT the focus of most of what I have done in porn has always been amateur. I dont mean first timers I mean girls who dont want to be porn stars but are doing it for fun and a little extra cash most of the girls I shoot dont shoot for anyone else. It could just as easily be called pro-am and often is. But the niche I always get put in is “amateur” I always took the term “amateur” in porn to mean something along the lines of “more regular looking girls” as opposed to “models”. I think that some guys get turned on by that because the fantasy of being with the “girl next door” is a more attainable one than fucking Pamela Anderson. ---
**Author:** ![Boyo\_Jim](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/87869e/32.png) [@Boyo\_Jim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boyo_Jim)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2012, 6:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ask-the-not-so-amateur-porn-director/630805/250 "2012-08-13T18:59:03Z")
Pam’s tastes are not, er… terribly exclusionary, either. 😛 ---
**Author:** ![MikeSouth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ea666f/32.png) [@MikeSouth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MikeSouth)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2012, 7:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ask-the-not-so-amateur-porn-director/630805/251 "2012-08-13T19:02:43Z")
> [@Simple\_Linctus](#): > > Why are there not many genuine videos of girls losing their virginity on camera? I would have thought it was something there would be demand for. > > (and if you really wanted to make it pay, then you could by letting site members enter a raffle to be the one to take the girl’s cherry. Bring you wheelbarrows of cash, that would.) Oh I am sure there would be a demand for it and if my memory serves me correctly it has even been done on a oneshot basis, but that would be something I would balk at, it would have to be a girl who knew 100% what she was doing and why she wanted to do it. To do a site like that I would have to have at least 1 a month…not likely. I think the first time should be something hot and sweaty in the back seat of a car or on your sofa while the parents are asleep or whatever not a voyeuristic spectacle. ---
**Author:** ![MikeSouth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ea666f/32.png) [@MikeSouth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MikeSouth)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2012, 7:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ask-the-not-so-amateur-porn-director/630805/252 "2012-08-13T19:04:28Z")
> [@FoieGrasIsEvil](#): > > I always took the term “amateur” in porn to mean something along the lines of “more regular looking girls” as opposed to “models”. I think that some guys get turned on by that because the fantasy of being with the “girl next door” is a more attainable one than fucking Pamela Anderson. I am in agreement on that one, the so called “true amateurs” who are only doing it for fun and not some form of valuable consideration are kind of like golden unicorns ---
**Author:** ![MichaelEmouse](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/michaelemouse/32/101_2.png) [@MichaelEmouse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MichaelEmouse)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2012, 7:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ask-the-not-so-amateur-porn-director/630805/253 "2012-08-13T19:06:53Z")
> [@Simple\_Linctus](#): > > Why are there not many genuine videos of girls losing their virginity on camera? I would have thought it was something there would be demand for. > > (and if you really wanted to make it pay, then you could by letting site members enter a raffle to be the one to take the girl’s cherry. Bring you wheelbarrows of cash, that would.) Which you’d get to enjoy in prison as a pimp. Perhaps I am wrong but I don’t think you’ll find many women who’d want their first time in a studio and on camera. Also, if we drew a Venn diagram of “Women who are still virgins are 18” and “Women who want to appear in porn”, I’d think they wouldn’t intersect much. Mike, You mention that when one pornographer innovates and hits upon something, all the others flock. What do you think the next innovations in porn will be? Not just in terms of tech but themes, acts etc. You touched upon recruitment ealier. Aside from referrals from actors in your previous movies and chance encounters, what are the ways you recruit your actresses? How about the male talent? ---
**Author:** ![Chicagojeff](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/b19c9b/32.png) [@Chicagojeff](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chicagojeff)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2012, 7:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ask-the-not-so-amateur-porn-director/630805/254 "2012-08-13T19:19:32Z")
Dude… this thread has been informative and interesting… I’m local to you. and once I responded to a alarm call… and we nearly walked into something being filmed I’m sure none of the parties would have wanted that LOL… it was over by Northeast expressway/northcrest road area… As a black dude… what’s your opinion on how the interracial aspect plays out… I remember brothers really into porn being pissed because certain companies won’t allow their performers to film IR… and in several cases the talent is dating/living with someone of another race. How do the bigwigs see this? I’ve surmised that they take a talent like a jesse jane and basically get as much out of her as then can… then the make some big deal about her doing her first IR… am I close to the mark?? BTW if you need security lol hit me up. ---
**Author:** ![MikeSouth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ea666f/32.png) [@MikeSouth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MikeSouth)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2012, 7:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ask-the-not-so-amateur-porn-director/630805/255 "2012-08-13T19:26:41Z")
> [@MichaelEmouse](#): > > Mike, > > You mention that when one pornographer innovates and hits upon something, all the others flock. What do you think the next innovations in porn will be? Not just in terms of tech but themes, acts etc. > > You touched upon recruitment ealier. Aside from referrals from actors in your previous movies and chance encounters, what are the ways you recruit your actresses? How about the male talent? Obviously right now its the parody thing, because of how porn is in the middle of its worst bubble burst ever and because thing tend to be cyclic my guess would be a return to erotica, maybe stuff like “Misty Beethoven”, “Cafe Flesh”, and “For the Love of Pleasure” There seems to be very little money in the wall to wall sex vids these days except on the internet ---
**Author:** ![MikeSouth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ea666f/32.png) [@MikeSouth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MikeSouth)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2012, 7:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ask-the-not-so-amateur-porn-director/630805/256 "2012-08-13T19:35:29Z")
> [@Chicagojeff](#): > > Dude.. this thread has been informative and interesting.. I’m local to you. and once I responded to a alarm call.. and we nearly walked into something being filmed I’m sure none of the parties would have wanted that LOL… it was over by Northeast expressway/northcrest road area.. > As a black dude.. what’s your opinion on how the interracial aspect plays out.. I remember brothers really into porn being pissed because certain companies won’t allow their performers to film IR.. and in several cases the talent is dating/living with someone of another race. How do the bigwigs see this? I’ve surmised that they take a talent like a jesse jane and basically get as much out of her as then can.. then the make some big deal about her doing her first IR.. am I close to the mark?? > > BTW if you need security lol hit me up. I have shot in that area…it may have even been me if it was many years ago, I recall a visit on a guerrilla style shoot at the old northeast/I85 drive in after it was torn down. We were given a warning and let go. As for the IR thing its mostly only an issue for a few companies that sell to cable and PPV and it becomes less of an issue every year it seems. Personally I really do consider myself color blind, I could care less ( I do see GREEN very well…call me a capitalist I suppose.) by the same token if a girl tells me she doesnt want to work with asians, or black guys, or white guys or whatever I have to respect her wishes, for whatever the reasons are ( and I never ask) but I can say in all sincerity it usually doesn’t matter so in maybe 2 generations things in the south have come a very long way. As for bodyguards…funny thing I have a collection of death threats but none are from boyfriends, husbands, fathers or whatever, hell many of those I am friends with.) They all come from other porners and assorted scumbags that I outted for being…well…scumbags. I did get a GFL (Georgia Firearms License ie a concealed carry permit) though and I feel naked without my .45ACP with JHP bullets. email me though I do need help from time to time but just remember I am a cheap bastard LOL ---
**Author:** ![Simple\_Linctus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Simple\_Linctus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Simple_Linctus)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2012, 9:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ask-the-not-so-amateur-porn-director/630805/257 "2012-08-13T21:02:02Z")
> [@MichaelEmouse](#): > > Which you’d get to enjoy in prison as a pimp. > > Perhaps I am wrong but I don’t think you’ll find many women who’d want their first time in a studio and on camera. > > Also, if we drew a Venn diagram of “Women who are still virgins are 18” and “Women who want to appear in porn”, I’d think they wouldn’t intersect much. Quite but that’s cause not enough effort has been put into finding them. You could find them with enough advertising. Ignore whether that would make any business sense at all for the time being. Your first point I don’t get though. What would be illegal about it? ---
**Author:** ![MikeSouth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ea666f/32.png) [@MikeSouth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MikeSouth)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2012, 9:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ask-the-not-so-amateur-porn-director/630805/258 "2012-08-13T21:18:08Z")
> [@Simple\_Linctus](#): > > Quite but that’s cause not enough effort has been put into finding them. You could find them with enough advertising. Ignore whether that would make any business sense at all for the time being. > > Your first point I don’t get though. What would be illegal about it? Remember the dissertation on obscenity law and community standards? A wise attorney once advised porners to never shoot anything that you would be uncomfortable showing to 12 ordinary citizens. While I can justify the way I do bukkake (to myself because thats what really matters to me) I could never justify shooting a virgin being deflowered except under the rarest of circumstances (she was over 21, completely sane and was doing it for sane reasons.) ---
**Author:** ![MichaelEmouse](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/michaelemouse/32/101_2.png) [@MichaelEmouse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MichaelEmouse)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2012, 9:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ask-the-not-so-amateur-porn-director/630805/259 "2012-08-13T21:30:30Z")
> [@Simple\_Linctus](#): > > Your first point I don’t get though. What would be illegal about it? I made sure to reply to your message because your suggestion looks like it could be legal and I’m sure you had nothing but the best of intentions in making it. However it could lead someone to commit a crime. I personally have no moral problems with your suggestion. Even in jurisdictions where prostitution is legal, pimping is usually criminal. It would be very surprising if pimping were not criminal in Mike South’s area. If Mike South receives money from John in exchange for John being able to have sex with a woman who follows Mike South’s directions to have sex with John, that is pimping. Making it a raffle doesn’t change the nature of the transaction. Making it a raffle paying members are entered into without having to pay an additional charge doesn’t change the nature of the transaction. And then there’s the community standard Mike South mentions. The cops/DA could make the case that any indirect exchange of money for sex is against community standards. ---
**Author:** ![MikeSouth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ea666f/32.png) [@MikeSouth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MikeSouth)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2012, 1:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ask-the-not-so-amateur-porn-director/630805/260 "2012-08-14T01:58:50Z")
> [@MichaelEmouse](#): > > I made sure to reply to your message because your suggestion looks like it could be legal and I’m sure you had nothing but the best of intentions in making it. However it could lead someone to commit a crime. I personally have no moral problems with your suggestion. > > Even in jurisdictions where prostitution is legal, pimping is usually criminal. It would be very surprising if pimping were not criminal in Mike South’s area. > > If Mike South receives money from John in exchange for John being able to have sex with a woman who follows Mike South’s directions to have sex with John, that is pimping. Making it a raffle doesn’t change the nature of the transaction. Making it a raffle paying members are entered into without having to pay an additional charge doesn’t change the nature of the transaction. > > And then there’s the community standard Mike South mentions. The cops/DA could make the case that any indirect exchange of money for sex is against community standards. actually you got a part I missed it would be very illegal for me to charge people for that . I cant and dont accept money to attend shoots as either a participant or someone who watches or anything of the sort that would break prostitution and pimping and pandering laws…good catch [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ask-the-not-so-amateur-porn-director/630805.md?page=12) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ask-the-not-so-amateur-porn-director/630805.md?page=14)